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What we learned from McConnell's failed gambit
By Steve Benen
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Fri Dec 7, 2012 8:00 AM EST
As Laura noted yesterday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), usually a master of floor procedure and strategy, looked pretty ridiculous when he was forced to filibuster his own proposal. And while that was no doubt unpleasant for him, as the day progressed, it became clear that we'd learned something important from McConnell's failure.
To briefly recap for those who missed it, President Obama had proposed to shift the responsibility for raising the debt ceiling from Congress to the White House, making it impossible for either party to use default and/or the threat of a global economic catastrophe as a hostage. Under Obama's plan, the debt limit would still exist, and Congress would still have blocking a presidential increase, if lawmakers wanted to force default on purpose.
McConnell assumed that Senate Democrats -- at least a big chunk of the caucus, anyway -- would balk at Obama's proposal, so he introduced the plan himself. The point was to have Dems object to McConnell's effort, so the Minority Leader could get a new talking point: the president's offer is so offensive that even his own party isn't willing to support it.
Except, McConnell's little stunt backfired -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and his caucus immediately endorsed the idea, leaving the Kentucky Republican to have to filibuster his own bill before it could pass. As Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) put it, the gambit was "a little too clever by half." Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) suggested there's no recent precedent for a senator filibustering his or her own proposal.
But the larger point isn't to just point and laugh at McConnell's misfortune and mistaken assumptions. Rather, the point is we learned something important in the midst of this failed stunt: Democrats are entirely united on debt-ceiling strategy and want this looming threat to the country and its economy taken off the table, permanently.
In other words, what was a long-shot White House idea is, at least for now, the official position of the Democratic Party and a majority of the Senate. It's the sort of revelation that's likely to influence the negotiating process as congressional Republicans once again threaten to hurt the nation, on purpose, unless their demands are met.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)Thanks for posting.
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)When we "go over the cliff"...the first ledge will be the elimination of the dubya tax giveaways to the rich. The only way they are saved is now...and right now the only option they have is to accept less of an increase...but the writing is on the wall that the rich will pay more. If the rest of us see our taxes hiked due to going off the cliff, the blame will fall on the rushpublicans and they will pay for it politically in 2014. So they'll come scurrying to accept restoring the cuts on those making under 250k and claim that was a tax cut. That's cliff one...
The next is sequestration that will hit red states far harder than blue ones. Massive cuts in defense spending as well as cuts in corporate welfare will put lots of heat on rushpublican asshats who not only didn't bring home the bacon, they scared away the pigs. So it's lose-lose again.
Turtleman is trying to look tough in holding his raucous caucus together. The DeMint defection shows the chasm within and how this is sure to lead to mistakes and overplays. These antics couldn't come at a better time in light of the upcoming changes to the filibuster and how pruneface has abused them over and over again.
babylonsister
(171,070 posts)any fictional drama. Every day I am just amazed, amused, and astonished at how tone deaf the rethugs are.
malaise
(269,054 posts)I don't know which I'm lovin' more - their inability to understand the shellacking that knocked them out or the way in which they are eating their own in public.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)But don't underestimate Rush's spin. There will be useful idiots on the horizon. I have seen them. And they are plenty.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)Republicans, all you have left is the Old Maid card. It is not a winner.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)finally stand up to them.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The defense spending cuts are more-or-less already in place. FY2013 contracts started November 1st, and the DoD had to operate as if the spending cuts were going to happen - they didn't want to sign a lot of contracts and then find the money was gone January 1st.
As a result, there isn't an upcoming big DoD hit that will coincide with the sequestration. That hit already happened. Which will make it harder to tie the hit to Republicans since it did not happen along with the rest of the sequestration.
However, the flip side still looks quite good for Democrats. If a budget deal includes essentially the same gigantic DoD cuts, the deal isn't going to be causing sudden layoffs - the layoffs already happened. If the budget deal does not include large DoD cuts, the Pentagon will hand out more cash resulting in some reversal of the recent layoffs. There's no remaining downside for the Democrats on this part of the budget.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The big defense contractor in my town just announced three huge DoD contracts.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Cutting DoD spending doesn't mean there will be no new contracts.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I've always wanted to say that.
blackdiamond62
(24 posts)and it means (from the urban dictionary)to "hoist by one's own petard - you have been hurt or caught by the very device that you intended to hurt someone else". To simplify the meaning is to say that you stepped in your own mess. I do think Mitch is knee-deep in mess.
Pakid
(478 posts)Truth and honesty are no longer words that Republican understand. All they care about is putting the shaft to the American people for their rich overlords. Now if only we could get the people who vote against there own and their family best interest to see the GOP as it really is we would have it made!
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)to stop the flood of disgust with their obstructionism.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)have gone along? Or was it a bluff?
phantom power
(25,966 posts)I think it's revealing how quickly the GOP has been falling apart in the face of what is really still somewhat mild Democratic resistance.
I have this mental image of a happy warrior like FDR chewing through these guys like a cuisinart.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)from one end of the Senate to the other.
efhmc
(14,731 posts)Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)2naSalit
(86,647 posts)interviewed on RMS claims that there is now a new term used on the Senate floor known as "the McConnell Rule"...
SteveG
(3,109 posts)Right now under current rules, it takes 60 votes to bring a bill to the floor for a vote (it's called a cloture vote), that's what is used instead of a talking filibuster (think Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith goes to Washington). If his proposal had come up for an up or down vote, it's pretty sure that Reid had the votes to pass it.
One accidental side effect of this is that McConnell has set himself up to keep his hands clean if the house insists on holding the government hostage over a debt ceiling crisis... leaving a the blame for such an event in Boehner's.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/12/mcconnells_accidental_genius.php?ref=fpblg
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)And this link belongs in that same picture because Boehner has dealt McConnell and his bungling out of the picture. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014328748
I would say that McConnell has taken one on the chin if only he had one.
obama2terms
(563 posts)This just keeps getting better "grabs popcorn"
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Well Said!
I love our new united front.
ceeRoy
(69 posts)WHAT AN INCOURAGABLE FOOL!!....
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)This is almost too good to be true
was it deliberate?
You mean to tell me Mitch was the only Republican in the chamber
OR he didn't order one of his herd to filibuster for him?
I am finding these nuances hard to believe.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I loves it!
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)...is if the filibuster rules were already changed and McConnell actually had to speak.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)burnsei sensei
(1,820 posts)McConnell assumed that Senate Democrats -- at least a big chunk of the caucus, anyway -- would balk at Obama's proposal, so he introduced the plan himself.
In chess, this would turn a would-be winner into a loser, and a loser into a hopeless mass of gelatine.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)mistaken assumptions!"
irisblue
(32,980 posts)match that filibuster turtleman....(is there an emoticons for the Silian gesture of hand flicking out from chin....I really need it now)
Sam Osborne
(2 posts)And add Sen. Chuck Grassley to the foolish pile---Grassley in a 40-minute-long diatribe on the Senator floor ended up sounding like he was filibustering in support of filibustering (excerpted in the Press-Citizen captioned Filibuster change a partisan power grab, 12/9/12).
Grassley and his fellow Republican obstructionists are trying to continue their partisan stranglehold that constitutes government of the privileged few, by the privileged few and for the privileged few. In his long-winded propaganda Grassley spoke of the design he contends is built into the Constitution but disingenuously tries to hide the fact that filibuster is not even provided for in the Constitution.
Filibuster is a rules-instituted ploy devised to thwart what is provided for in the Constitution and that is a representative form of government. This is what the first Republican President Abe Lincoln took the people in Union to ensure would not perish from the earth and so described on a battlefield of that war of preservation as government of the people, by the people and for the people.
In addition to James Madisons Federalist Paper No. 63 in which he describes the role of the Senate, Grassley might want to read and grasp what Madison had to say about the remedy to partisanship in Federalist Paper No. 10, The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection. In it Madison comes down in strong support of representative government as the remedy and concludes his paper with:
In the extent and proper structure of the Union, therefore, we behold a republican remedy for the diseases most incident to republican government. And according to the degree of pleasure and pride we feel in being republicans, ought to be our zeal in cherishing the spirit and supporting the character of Federalists.
Do away with the filibuster and get to work doing WE THE PEOPLEs business---if what is done does not serve the interests of the people within our republican hey can use their vote to throw out of office those that misrepresent them and their common interests.