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cannabis_flower

(3,909 posts)
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 03:09 AM Sep 2024

Something interesting about Kamala "turning black "

I had a discussion with a couple of college students. One of them said that she thought Trump as confusing Kamala with Nikki Haley. This actually makes sense. Nikki Haley actually has always been Asian.

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Demobrat

(10,231 posts)
1. I think he was saying
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 03:33 AM
Sep 2024

Kamala promoted her Indian heritage when it was useful, and switched to leveraging her black heritage when it was politically expedient.

He just doesn’t have the words to communicate such a complex concept.

So he says she was Indian then she was black. Like a 4th grader would.

RockRaven

(18,197 posts)
4. More like a 1st grader. 4th graders should and would express themselves in
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 04:12 AM
Sep 2024

a more sophisticated fashion.

unblock

(55,737 posts)
2. Could be, though personally I think it's a manifestation of his mental illness
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 03:38 AM
Sep 2024

I think his relationship with reality is not normal.

Most of us recognize that there is an external reality that we learn about, discover, explore, etc.; and we all have a perception and understanding of reality that we're constantly updating based on feedback.


I think Donnie believes reality is what he thinks it is. If he's not aware of something, it doesn't exist; if he learns something new, nobody knew it until he learned it.

So at some point he thought Kamala was just an Indian-American, then later he learned she was also black. So he thinks reality changed, or she changed, and "turned ba-lack".

Couldn't be that something existed that Donnie didn't know. He must have been right that she wasn't black, so if she is now, it's because she became black.

A normal person would not have said she "turned black". A racist but otherwise normal person might have said something like, "she never talked about being black before, then she runs for president and all of a sudden, she's talking about being black". But the concept of "turning black" would not have even occurred to a normal person.

LeftInTX

(34,006 posts)
9. I think he's plain old racist and is playing to his base.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 06:16 AM
Sep 2024

I got the impression that she always identified as black.

unblock

(55,737 posts)
13. No doubt, he obviously sees everything through a bigoted lens of hierarchical privilege.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 07:51 AM
Sep 2024

And the attack was clearly meant to make make her being black a topic of discussion by making it an "issue".

But the particular way he chose to do that was, I think, revealing of the way his mind works.

RockRaven

(18,197 posts)
3. In the theme of "every accusation is a confession" or projection or whatever
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 04:10 AM
Sep 2024

one wishes to call the shit that TCF does, my interpretation is that he is saying that she is trying to have it one way when it is convenient and a different way when that way is more convenient. Which is how he operates. He contradicts himself constantly, saying whatever his dumb brain thinks is best to say in any given moment to any given interlocutor/audience, so he is accusing VP Harris of doing likewise, with his weird added racist interpretation of whatever is supposedly self-serving thrown in.

Of course, with everything that dumbass says, it is untrue and merely exposes his dishonesty and/or ignorance. I can tell you from my own lying eyes and ears, as someone who first heard of VP Harris when she became the DA of a nearby city, that anyone bothering to pay attention has known she is of mixed heritage the whole time she has been a public figure.

wnylib

(25,345 posts)
6. Trump is unable to comprehend mixed heritage.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 06:01 AM
Sep 2024

To him, anyone who has African American heritage mixed with another ethnic or racial heritage is only Black, like the one drop rule. So in Trump's mind, Harris had no right to acknowledge both heritages. She has to be either Black or South Asian. If she has Black heritage, then she can only be Black and should have adhered to that identity only.



MistakenLamb

(791 posts)
8. MAGA's "gotcha" was how papers claimed she was the first South Asian American to be elected to the Senate but
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 06:15 AM
Sep 2024

not black women, conveniently forgetting the existence of Carol Moseley Braun was the first elected almost 24 years prior to Kamala was in 2016

imanamerican63

(15,586 posts)
10. Confused? No! Racist? Yes! It's simple as that!
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 06:20 AM
Sep 2024

He is always looking to make headlines for his ignorant comments! I’m shocked he hasn’t insulted his wife for being a foreign citizen? He has insulted everyone else, except his wife!

Jarqui

(10,772 posts)
14. I think it was intentional
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 09:25 AM
Sep 2024

Like Barack Obama, because she was mixed race, Trump wanted to make sure she was perceived as black .. because that plays favorably for him into the perceptions of the racists that she is black.

Trump trying to portray her as a chameleon who he alleged was suddenly becoming black was another Trump lie designed to erode black support for her that he had been lobbying for.

Looking at Kamala's history:

As part of her story, Kamala Harris grew up unable to play with some of the neighbors’ kids because she was Black.

Kamala attended many civil rights marches with her mother as a child. Both her parents actively supported civil rights.

Kamala was one of the first in California to experience busing for school integration. (stats used at that time were Caucasian or Black)

In the mid ‘80s, Kamala attended Howard University, an historically Black university. At Howard, Kamala became a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha, one of the "Divine Nine" historically Black sororities.

From Kamala’s 2017 Commencement address at Howard:
https://kamalaharris.medium.com/commencement-address-at-howard-university-704513cb0aec

“And you are also part of a legacy that has now endured and thrived for 150 years.

Endured when the doors of higher education were closed to Black students. Endured when segregation and discrimination were the law of the land. Endured when few recognized the potential and capacity of young Black men and women to be leaders.

But over the last 150 years, Howard has endured and thrived. Generations of students have been nurtured and challenged here — and provided with the tools and confidence to soar.

Since this school was founded, in 1867, Howard has awarded more than 120,000 degrees.

It has prepared and produced thousands of Black lawyers and doctors, and artists and writers… dentists and pharmacists… social workers and engineers. And most recently, Howard has partnered with Google to bring more Black students into the tech industry.

It prepared me for a career in public service, starting with my first-ever political race — for freshman class representative on what was then called the Liberal Arts Student Council.



You can march for Black lives on the street, and you can ensure law enforcement accountability by serving as a prosecutor or on a police commission.

The reality is on most matters, somebody is going to make the decision — so why not let it be you?”



While in law school in the lates ‘80s, Kamala served as president of the chapter of the Black Law Students Association.

Kamala is a lifetime member of the NAACP

In 2003, Kamala was noted in the media as the “first Black woman in California to be elected District Attorney”.

In 2007, when campaigning for Barack Obama, Kamala spoke about her personal civil rights experiences and shared her thoughts on related policies.

In 2010, Kamala was noted in the media as “the first Black Attorney General” elected in California. In that role, Kamala fought to address racial disparities in the criminal justice system - in terms of application of the law, policing reform, fairness, incarceration, help when they got out of prison, etc. She's carried those efforts on throughout her time in Washington.

In 2016, Kamala was noted by the media as “the 2nd Black woman in US history to be elected Senator.” She became a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

In 2017, Kamala was named Black History Month person of distinction.

In 2018, Kamala was inducted into The Links, an invitation-only volunteer organization of prominent Black American women committed to enriching, sustaining, and ensuring the culture and economic survival of African Americans and other people of African ancestry.

In 2018, Kamala introduced a bill to make lynching a federal crime. Kamala supported & sponsored voting rights and other civil rights causes in the Senate and as Vice President.

In 2020, Kamala was noted by the media as “the first Black Vice President” elected to that office.



There were times above when Kamala was also noted as the first woman or sometimes the first Asian but riddled throughout her speeches, actions and media coverage was the word "Black". The suggestion of her being a chameleon is just another blatant Trump lie intended to hurt her candidacy.

I thought the world of Obama. My favorite president. But the "black" label always bugged me some. His pigmentation had nothing to do with why I thought he was wonderful. Obviously, he overcame some ugly racial hurdles along the way and sadly, still has to confront them. But I never saw him as a "black" man. I think he is a great person, period. That's how I look at Kamala.
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