Fall out of the Fiscal Cliff is already starting.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

My Husband and I have got into a program called HUD/VASH to help us have a place to live. It is a way to help homeless vets a home address so they can get work and back on there feet.

This program is good because most employers will not hire you without an address. Many will not even look at your application if they see a shelter address on it.


However we got a mailer from HUD today saying that if a vote is not taken by Jan 2, that will up the federal money to handle the increases that many apartment complexes are going to instate in the new year, they will have to stop helping many of the clients. It also warns about the same losses will happen if an agreement is reached to cut the benefits anyway.


So, if what we have read is correct, we go over the cliff, we will have even more people hurting. If the republicans get their way we will have more people hurting. When will this end?

[LisaL]

1. If we go over the cliff, there will be a lot of problems, especially for those who depend on

federal money for whatever reason.
A lot of people could end up out of a job.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

5. The whole this is a nightmare!

As I have discovered, if you lose your home, you can loss your job.
As many of us know, you loss your job, you can loss your home.

The Big business area are so occupied with making more money, they don't want to spend money that will make jobs. So people that loss jobs, for whatever reason, will not have have any help due to the Republicans wanting to cut taxes, that cuts the help.

If the taxes are raised on the Big business group, they will circle the wagons and we will still be in trouble.

Those that are making real money needs to pay a fair share. But they don't see what the money is really doing, so they don't understand the need.


We at the bottom, that was not always at the bottom, can't understand why all the money that we paid in taxes to have help if the time came that we might need it, is not there. I paid in 25% in taxes when I was working. I know that others are paying in that and some pay more. Yet, and I blame the republicans, it is not there. Thanks to giving money to businesses, wasting it on wars that did not need to be, and cutting taxes to much, mainly in the wrong direction (businesses), we are hurting as a nation.

The American Dream is now a NIGHTMARE!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. Do you doubt that this is by design?

Please. Don't. Repukes exist to grind the poor to dust.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

10. They have to agree with Obama before the dead line or everything is going to fall apart.

They can not be allowed to have it their way, and we can't go over.

If it wasn't planed this way by whatever dark forces there are,... I don't know.

[Rider3]

3. Who created the brochure?

That's what's important to figure out the real truth. Is there any fine print written on it? To me, it sounds like a GOP tactic to scare the public (again). These days, it seems to be the thing to do -- scare the most vulnerable amoung us.

[randome]

4. Good question.

[LisaL]

6. Do you not understand that going over fiscal cliff involves cuts to federal budget?

Federal money support a lot of people. Some directly, some indirectly.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

9. I do.

But this still hurts.
We have lost everything. This is our only chance to get back some sort of a regular life again. We did everything we were supposed to do. A stupid tornado took everything. Then the insurance agencies found some many loop holes to not help us, we paid so much for that safety-net. We have tried and tried.


Why are we getting hurt! Why are so many people that has done what we are supposed to do are getting hurt? I have meet people on the streets that should not be there. I was not the only college grad out there. My Husband was not the only Vet out there.

This is not right!!!

[LisaL]

11. I do as well.

I am not sure why it's so hard to understand for some. If we go over the cliff, there will be large cuts to federal budget. Federal money support a lot of people.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

13. I think the biggest pat of the pain is knowing it should not be this way.

People should be getting fair wages. People should be able to get help if something goes wrong.

But People do not get fair wage. Because of that people need help, even when they are working. If you can't get a wage to live off of, how can you pay in taxes to have a public safety net. You are already using it and that makes it where it is not there later.
The protections for corporations are more important than protection for the citizens.

It is NOT RIGHT!

[Rider3]

12. Yes, I understand! But, do you?

If they cannot come to an agreement, we should go over the cliff -- only then can we renegotiate the tax breaks given to the top 1% -- as well as for the middle class and poor. As of January 2, it's not like a shade will be pulled down immediately. The original poster will still have her address to use for employment purposes. It's not going to last a long time. People are going to want their tax breaks one way or another. It'll be worked out, but not until we take a drastic step to fix this. The GOP has hindered talks, put up a completely irrational counter-offer, and we must do something. This is our only resort without bending to the GOP's will of protecting the rich.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

14. The rent for Jan will not be paid if ...

The Republican plan passes or if no agreement is reached by Jan 2. That is why they sent the warning out now.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

8. It is from HUD.

That was the first thing I looked at/for. It is real.

[HereSince1628]

7. Brinksmanship works best to a chorus of agnonized screams

So of course there will be people hurt. How else will anyone get the people to scream?

[ProSense]

15. HUD-VASH is exempt from sequestration

Sequestration will result in an 8.2 percent across-the-board cut in January 2013 to nearly all non-defense, discretionary programs, including all programs within the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Discretionary spending (as opposed to mandatory spending like Medicaid) is determined each year through the congressional appropriations process. It includes virtually all targeted homelessness and affordable housing programs. The one significant exception is programs for veterans administered by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), all of which are exempt, including the joint HUD-VA Supportive Housing (HUD-VASH) program.

http://www.endhomelessness.org/pages/sequestration

[Lady Freedom Returns]

16. That is not what they are saying on the flier?

They saying we are to be the first to be cut! No children, you are the first cut! No mater if it is HUD or HUD/VASH.

That is at endhomelessness. org right? I got to go read it!!!!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

19. It is still wrong that they are going to end up hurting people.

I see what the site is saying. And it is helping me feel a littl better. Yet in the back of my mind is that newsletter/flier.

They are telling people that when Jan. 2 comes, game over, your screwed. This is all just so painful.

[wandy]

17. Going over the cliff would be bad. Unfortunately giving in to the ......

republican tea bags would be worse.
You do not negotiate with hostage takers.
You do not negotiate with terrorists.
Teapublicans have proven themselves to be the worst of both.
If they get what they want now, by march they will have new demands.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

21. They need to see that Obama's plan is the only way to get it fixed.

Or at less start getting it that way.

[TheKentuckian]

18. You mean The President didn't drink the GOP's milkshake on this deal like the cheer was going out?

Of course folks are going to be devastated. That is what some were screaming during the last "hostage crisis" and if the foot doesn't go down then in a few months or a couple of years there will be more gored in the exchange.

The pitiful thing is our credit rating still took the hit.
Time to face these fuckers down and not give a single inch.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

20. That is it. He can not give in. Not an inch!

He must make them vote for his plan. We Can not go over the cliff and we can NOT have their plans. Obama must hold his ground. And the reps must see that and pass Obama's plan.

Anything other than Obama's plan, the USA is ruined. The Rep. must see that!

[ProSense]

22. Boehner got 98 percent of what he wanted,

which is why he's sweating bullets: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021941791

He has some great choices: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1942095

[Whoa_Nelly]

23. Did you call HUD about this?

Sorry you got such upsetting news

[Lady Freedom Returns]

25. For some reason they were closed today.

I don't know what holiday it could be, but they were closed.


On Edit= Just saw in another post what day it is. I totally forgot. The mail runs real late here so Dave went to go the mail this morning. That is why I could not get in touch with them!
They should be in Moday though, I'll call then. They got to have answers.

[socialist_n_TN]

24. It will only end when a socialist revolution starts SERIOUSLY.......

redistributing the wealth of this country and world from the haves to the have-nots. Otherwise, it won't end.