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The Planet Does Not Need More Successful People (Original Post) trailmonkee Dec 2012 OP
Arrrgh, can't I be both? Bicoastal Dec 2012 #1
Depends on your definition of successful AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #5
So... you're saying we need marching bands? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #11
Trouble, oh we got trouble AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #13
Well said! a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #15
Planning to do that myself AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #16
Physics is a blast - literally, in some cases... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #17
My hat's off to engineers/physicists AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #18
Keep at it... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #19
About 9 hours AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #24
The new series works perfectly a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #26
I have a son who has returned to college SheilaT Dec 2012 #20
I'm thinking of getting that triple engineering, and then going for applied physics a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #22
Where are you? What university? SheilaT Dec 2012 #25
I'm in CT... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #27
Bleck Nanotech AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #29
remediation and re-use of pollution is my goal... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #30
No Doubt AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #35
At the very least... it gives us new puzzles! a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #36
You sound like Mr. Holmes! AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #40
Thank you for the compliment! a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #45
Christian Friedrich Schönbein's wife was also nervous about his home experiments FarCenter Dec 2012 #38
My wife is cool with my experiments... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #44
One of my favorite movies! Some of the best movie songs ever. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #21
Sure - but there's no need to be a pirate over it! n/t whopis01 Dec 2012 #51
K&R AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #2
I guess the Dalai Lama is my model for what a human can and should be. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #3
One of my heros as well..... Magoo48 Dec 2012 #7
Yes, we need to view success as other than treestar Dec 2012 #4
I believe he would tell you that society wouldnt have failures if it didnt have successes. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #6
I wil ltry to make a hobbit of it! whistler162 Dec 2012 #58
Please explain. Is it a Harry Potter reference? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #59
Success can be defined in many ways BainsBane Dec 2012 #8
We desperately need a redefinition of 'success'. gtar100 Dec 2012 #9
I hear you! defacto7 Dec 2012 #32
well said. XtopherXtopher Dec 2012 #46
Anyone who 'needs' material excess... pbrower2a Dec 2012 #53
+1 trailmonkee Dec 2012 #55
Very well said. You remind me of a quote from Obama's book: freshwest Dec 2012 #60
It would be easier to just adieu Dec 2012 #10
A Facebook world then? AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #14
Facebook? defacto7 Dec 2012 #31
"correct" definition? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #34
Yep AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #37
I guess I too have a different definition of "successful," and "friends" a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #39
What's her number???? AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #42
The last I heard, she had "a change of mind,"... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #48
oh yes... handmade34 Dec 2012 #12
great man parisordi Dec 2012 #23
Successful man nt Xipe Totec Dec 2012 #28
Peacemakers, healers, restorers, storytellers, and lovers ARE successful. progressoid Dec 2012 #33
Wouldn't being any of those things be successful? liberal N proud Dec 2012 #41
A google search attributes this to David Orr. What it the truth? Nt Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #43
A QUOTE WAS MISATTRIBUTED ON THE INTERNET?!? Bicoastal Dec 2012 #47
That such a thing could happen on the internet... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #49
The world needs more spectacularly wealthy spiritual leaders Orrex Dec 2012 #50
I guess I don't accept the implied definition of success enough to agree. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #52
100 Rec's HCE SuiGeneris Dec 2012 #54
The Dali Lama's actual words used quatation marks around 'successful people' Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #56
K&R JDPriestly Dec 2012 #57
Peacemakers, healers, etc. are the most successful people...IMO. nt MADem Dec 2012 #61
 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
5. Depends on your definition of successful
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:49 PM
Dec 2012

I think he means monetarily successful. And yah, typically if you're that, you buy more stuff, and that spells trouble with a capital T and that rhymes with pool or something like that.

[link:http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+music+man+pool+video&mid=24566097B43B7798F30F24566097B43B7798F30F&view=detail&FORM=VIRE3|

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
13. Trouble, oh we got trouble
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:41 PM
Dec 2012

Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "P"
And that stands for Pool,
That stands for pool.
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City,
Right here!
Gotta figger out a way
To keep the young ones moral after school!
Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
15. Well said!
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:45 PM
Dec 2012

I have to see that movie again.

When the paperwork clears in re my thesis, I intend to have a week-long movie marathon, stopping only for bathroom breaks, food, and the obligatory 5 hours of sleep.

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
16. Planning to do that myself
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:49 PM
Dec 2012

Though not after a thesis (doctoral?), but after my last final - Physics. Not my best subject.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
17. Physics is a blast - literally, in some cases...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:53 PM
Dec 2012

When this degree is done with... I'm getting a triple threat degree in engineering (my hobby).

My wife says having the actual ME/EE/CE degrees will make the local police a little less nervous.

The main problem for my marathon is picking out which Dr. Who seasons to add.

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
18. My hat's off to engineers/physicists
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:02 PM
Dec 2012

I enjoy the integration of disciplines into Physics, but my instructor, while clearly learned and able, is having his hand forced by the department head with teaching utilizing a new method of in-class assignments with minimal lecture time. I'm a bit old school and need lectures to get me through - but in truth I'm definitely more of a life sciencer (which I know physics is the basis of )

My friends, family all say "you're so smart to be tackling all these difficult subjects," and I say "you clearly haven't met any engineers or physicists - they make me look like a blundering novice."

Which galls me to say, as my job post-graduation will be to clean up the numerous messes caused by engineers/physicists.

I'm going to indulge myself in some BBC Sherlock as well as the old BBC Adventures of Sherlock Holmes series. I can't get into the new Dr. Who, but the old series blow me away.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
19. Keep at it...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:08 PM
Dec 2012

We need more new blood at all levels...

My goals are to build semi-Von-Neumann machines that "eat" pollutants. (That, and I want to make my city sustainable.)

The Sherlock series sounds good. What's the run time?

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
24. About 9 hours
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:16 PM
Dec 2012

I believe - 2 series, 3 episodes each series at 1hr 30min each episode. A modern retelling but Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman as Watson are brilliant.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
26. The new series works perfectly
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:18 PM
Dec 2012

and they definitely rebuilt THE WOMAN into a modern version.

hmmm... maybe a two week marathon...

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
20. I have a son who has returned to college
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:11 PM
Dec 2012

to get his physics degree.

What I like best about him (and I, as mom, think he's totally wonderful all around) is that every time I talk with him I learn something new. We have conversations about math, or astronomy, or other geeky topics and I just love it.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
22. I'm thinking of getting that triple engineering, and then going for applied physics
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:14 PM
Dec 2012

A local university has a nano-fab lab...

(VBEG)

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
29. Bleck Nanotech
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:21 PM
Dec 2012

We have a new nanotech building on campus - the next stage of human pollution. Sorry - I'm an Environmental Health Science major and I feel sometimes like a member of the Night's Watch sitting on the wall and all the while being mocked as guarding against grumpkins and snarks. LOL!

I do have high hopes that it can be used though for clean-up and remediation.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
30. remediation and re-use of pollution is my goal...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:23 PM
Dec 2012

As Bucky Fuller put it: "Pollution is a wasted resource..."

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
35. No Doubt
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:31 PM
Dec 2012

As I recently learned for my HAZWOPER 40 hr cert CFR 40 classifies hazardous waste as that waste which cannot be reused or sold.

The trick, I find, is designating which waste is hazardous or not, and to what degree and agreeing as to the definition of hazardous.

Carbon nanotubes - utilized soon to lyse cancer cells, are discharged in urine after use and may prove a danger to the larvae of certain insects - namely some species of mosquito. They plug up the hole in some of these eggs and prevent the larvae from emerging through specific mechanisms or preventing the larvae even knowing (as it were) what the temperature is or when it is time to emerge. I wouldn't have known about it, but my program head is doing some research on it in conjunction with the Nanotech program.

Good for pest control, bad for the ecosystem. I've spoken informally with some of the researchers over there, though, and EPA and FDA are giving them what for trying to get these technology approved. I hope they do approve it, and find some way to extract the tubes in a responsible manner.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
36. At the very least... it gives us new puzzles!
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:34 PM
Dec 2012

My wife says I tend to look at all problems as problem-solution past-times.

I really need to find a TV to get engrossed in...

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
40. You sound like Mr. Holmes!
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:44 PM
Dec 2012

"My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me the most abstruse cryptogram, or the most intricate analysis, and I am in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for mental exaltation."

Speaking of which, this physics review isn't going to review itself. Time to determine the number of 1000 MW nuclear power plants it would take to equal the power of the sun assuming the sun has a radius of 7*10^8 m and a temperature of 5800K and an e of 1.

Answer? 3.947 * 10^17

Now, if we could just build a spherical solar plant around the sun...although I'm sure the republicans would block it because it would cut into their West Virginia votes.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
45. Thank you for the compliment!
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:49 PM
Dec 2012

I've the attitude, the pipe, love of tea, and utter hatred of boredom and stupidity.

Go and study. We can talk later... comparing notes on the perfect marathon.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
38. Christian Friedrich Schönbein's wife was also nervous about his home experiments
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:41 PM
Dec 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Friedrich_Sch%C3%B6nbein

One of them led to the discovery of nitrocellulose. This, in turn, led to the fields of high-explosives and plastics, without which modern civilization and modern warfare would be unthinkable.

He also invented the fuel cell and discovered ozone.
 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
44. My wife is cool with my experiments...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:47 PM
Dec 2012

As long as I maintain safety protocols (no plastique in the house, etc...)

The hard part is one of the people on our block (WAY up the hill) feels that my experimenting "sets the wrong tone for the community." My neighbors, on the other hand, say I sound like Macgyver with a hipper sound track.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
6. I believe he would tell you that society wouldnt have failures if it didnt have successes.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:58 PM
Dec 2012

Seek the middle path.

BainsBane

(53,072 posts)
8. Success can be defined in many ways
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:01 PM
Dec 2012

And does not necessarily depend on wealth or consumption of resources. The chief problem is that our society exalts wealth as the key sign of success.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
9. We desperately need a redefinition of 'success'.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:04 PM
Dec 2012

Excessive wealth is a big failure both personally and collectively. All systems thrive when there is continual circulation of resources. Accumulation of wealth in the hands of only small groups of people is a blockage of the resources our economy requires if it's going to be able to meet the needs of everyone. Those who might otherwise thrive as healers, peacemakers, storytellers and lovers typically end up focusing their lives on basic survival when the riches of life are held back by greedy and reckless people. And our lives are that much more poor for it.

pbrower2a

(132 posts)
53. Anyone who 'needs' material excess...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:38 PM
Dec 2012

Anyone who 'needs' material excess as ratification of his value as a person is a failure. Even in business the ones who do real good are more focused on creating capital which allows others good incomes than on indulging upon its fruit.

We are going to have to do a better job of conserving natural resources just to avoid mass poverty.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
60. Very well said. You remind me of a quote from Obama's book:
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 04:12 PM
Dec 2012
Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential. ~ Barack Obama

I think there is STS and STO in most of what people spend their lives on. A combination of both is necessary at times, but the latter is considered to be a higher goal.
 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
10. It would be easier to just
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:08 PM
Dec 2012

redefine "success" away from the number of digits on one's bank balances and towards the number of friends created or friendships sustained.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
31. Facebook?
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:24 PM
Dec 2012

Facebook wasn't mentioned. It seems that Facebook is your definition of friends. Maybe you need to find the correct definition of friends, then you can make your comment based on reality not a business model... which is part of the point.

...unless of course your being sarcastic.

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
37. Yep
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:36 PM
Dec 2012

Being sarcastic. I am not on Facebook - yuck. I think many people use it as a substitution. I just don't think, though, that the number of friends that you have measures your success on a planet of 7.2 billion people - it just measures your charisma score (18).

Perhaps I don't understand your definition of friends, though. Under the definition I understand, the local corrupt politician or snobby head cheerleader would be successful (nothing against cheerleaders). Those people typically have a large number of close friends and are not just "popular" as it were.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
39. I guess I too have a different definition of "successful," and "friends"
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:43 PM
Dec 2012

Successful - achieving the goals you've got for yourself

friends - those you cheerfully communicate with. Can be used to indicate a pen pal, or all the way up to "Okay Larry, you get the pool cues, and I'll get a bottle. Al is getting the car, to get us OUT of here."

I stopped being interested in cheerleaders, when I found out the cheer captain was into group scenes and bondage.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
48. The last I heard, she had "a change of mind,"...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:23 PM
Dec 2012

had "her consciousness expanded" and had something like 5 kids.

I think I'll stick to being a geek.

handmade34

(22,758 posts)
12. oh yes...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:38 PM
Dec 2012

I read this at my husband's funeral... he had been a very wealthy man (and lost the money) before I met and married him... but he died a successful man.


SUCCESS (Ralph Waldo Emerson)

To laugh often and much
to win the respect of intelligent people
and affection of children; to earn the
appreciation of honest critics and
endure the betrayal of false friends;
to appreciate beauty, to find the best
in others; to leave the world a bit
better, whether by a healthy child
a garden patch or redeemed
social condition; to know even
one life has breathed easier because
you have lived. This is to have
succeeded.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
49. That such a thing could happen on the internet...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:25 PM
Dec 2012

The bastion of intellectual and academic rigor...

I'm feeling an attack of the vapors!

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
52. I guess I don't accept the implied definition of success enough to agree.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:49 PM
Dec 2012

I hope like hell the peacemakers are successful in their efforts.

That healers have more success than ever.

That everyone succeeds in finding love and better share that with the world. That love be expressed in the way they treat animals, each other, children, the elderly, the sick, the poor, their families, and that they be good steward of our world in their time.

I hope artists are successful in sharing their visions, inspiring, and touching hearts and minds.

I hope and pray for an outpouring of such real and lasting success on all humankind.

Success is not a number with a bunch of zeros behind it, a bunch of houses the size of a village, and how many "small people" you are exploiting.

HCE SuiGeneris

(14,994 posts)
54. 100 Rec's
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:38 AM
Dec 2012

Although, as pointed out in the first response, we can be multiple examples of all of the aforementioned.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
56. The Dali Lama's actual words used quatation marks around 'successful people'
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:44 AM
Dec 2012

Without those marks, I just don't agree that success is money or that peacemakers, healers, storytellers are not successful.

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