Bombshell special counsel filing includes new allegations

[MLAA]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/bombshell-special-counsel-filing-includes-new-allegations-trumps/story?id=114409494

‘Special counsel Jack Smith has outlined new details of former President Donald Trump and his allies' sweeping and "increasingly desperate" efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss, in a blockbuster court filing Wednesday aimed at defending Smith's prosecution of Trump following the Supreme Court's July immunity ruling.

Trump intentionally lied to the public, state election officials, and his own vice president in an effort to cling to power after losing the election, while privately describing some of the claims of election fraud as "crazy," prosecutors alleged in the 165-page filing.

"When the defendant lost the 2020 presidential election, he resorted to crimes to try to stay in office," the filing said. "With private co-conspirators, the defendant launched a series of increasingly desperate plans to overturn the legitimate election results in seven states that he had lost."’

[ananda]

1. No immunity because he was an office seeker...

not an office holder when he committed the crimes.

OK

[jaxexpat]

6. Kinda a question, eh? Is it permitted for an office holder to commit a crime to retain office?

When will the purveyors of juris prudence Americus finally sober up long enough to call the USSC immunity decision out for the mumbo-jumbo it is.

[ananda]

11. Well, it bypasses SCOTUS' latest ruling on immunity.

Good

[Johonny]

44. They are also not official acts

Of the office.

[Botany]

2. Bam Mother Fuckers Jack Smith Just Dropped A Jay Bomb

"When the defendant lost the 2020 presidential election, he resorted to crimes to try to stay in office," the filing said. "With private co-conspirators, the defendant launched a series of increasingly desperate plans to overturn the legitimate election results in seven states that he had lost."



Can you say RICO charges, Donny?

[BattleRow]

3. Just a thought..but..

was Vance's refusal to acknowledge Trump's verified loss on last night's debates in some fashion related to charges against DER Furor?

[Botany]

4. Well using my non-lawyer background it could be seen as furtherance of a crime and that being the selling ..

… of the lie that Trump won to make fraudulent claims against the Constitutionally Protection Right
of a Legal Voter’s Right to Have his/her vote count. Trump being an active partner in criminal
conspiracies and do the people who participated in these crime want to do 5 years on a RICO
charge?

[BattleRow]

10. So is that a yes or a no?

I have been puzzled as to WHY he would so obviously dodge answering,fully knowing it would become a huge win for Waltz and Harris.

[radical noodle]

22. Because trump was watching

He had only one person he really needed to please, and that was trump.

[MLAA]

35. I can't believe all of them are stupid enough to do time for TSF.

[Betty Boom]

5. Sigh. It won't matter

Nothing ever matters. He’s Teflon. And he will do or say something else outrageous and sweep this out of the new cycle within 48 hours.

[Botany]

7. I like horses do you?

[PJMcK]

9. Great reply (n/t)

[Betty Boom]

15. What the hell are you talking about?

[PJMcK]

25. They were reacting to your cynical post

It's a snarky response.

That's what it seems like to me.

By the way, welcome to DU. It can be a tough neighborhood. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

[Betty Boom]

40. Thank you

So far, I have discovered that if you do anything other than shine sunshine up peoples butts, you get attacked as being a Trumper or some shit. Not a very welcoming environment. all I was doing was expressing the exhaustion I feel over the fact that nothing ever seems to stick to the son of a bitch. And I wonder how many of these people are actually doing anything to help Kamala win, Or are they just sitting on their butts on the internet? I phonebanked three hours this afternoon I wonder whether this guy did.
Sorry I don’t mean to unload on you. It’s just that this is like the second or third time that this has happened to me. It’s pretty discouraging and doesn’t make you want to come back

[PJMcK]

41. Stick around, it's an awesome site for clear & true news with wild opinions!

As long as you don't cross the lines of the Terms Of Service for the democraticunderground.com website, you'll be fine to post anything you want to express.

DU is a NO BULLSHIT ZONE! It is the reason it's my homepage.

The Administrators have devised systems to prevent disruptions of the online conversations.

Just remember that it's all just in the ether on the internet. Don't take anything too personally!

Peace and vote a straight Democratic ticket on November 5th!

[Betty Boom]

50. I've never voted for a Republican in my life

And I do appreciate your welcome, but I do take it personally when someone accuses me falsely based on no information whatsoever. I’m always going to stand up for myself.

[aquaman]

48. Welcome to DU. I've been lurking for over 20 years on DU. Your post made me surface.

Stay strong my friend; and a sincere thank you for your efforts to win this election.

[Betty Boom]

49. That's the irony

I’ve been aware of this site since shortly after the horror of George W being installed. It was comforting to find a place to collectively share angst, even though I rarely posted then. (Old account that I eventually closed.). Then I came back in 2016, seeking a place to feel closer to the anguish we were all feeling. I finally established an account a couple of months ago I guess. It seems to me that this should be a place where when one should feel safe — it’s discouraging to be greeted with suspicion over a benign expression of an emotion. I understand that we’re all suffering from PTSD in some form, but it sure feels shitty to be accused of being something I loathe. Especially when I’m actually doing something to try to ensure Democrats win.

OK, enough. Maybe it’s been a long day.

[Demsrule86]

55. ? Really

How magnanimous of you...

[uponit7771]

57. Oh, the "unshiners" around here are in full agreement.

[Betty Boom]

62. Echo chambers bore me

I understand the tendency. Some people want a place that is only refuge. I get that. I want it sometimes too, and may want to just say “yeah!” I suppose some are just more threatened by anything that they see as penetrating their bubble or their comforting delusions.

It’s an emotional framework that isn’t confined only to Right Wing conspiracy and paranoia, it seems.

PS- living and working in Washington for more than 30 years has perhaps given me a less naive and more clear-eyed view of politics.

[Rob H.]

24. What does Peter the Great have to do with it?

Genuinely curious.

[Botany]

26. Well some of the posts on DU might have some of the influence from where that statue ...

… is located @ in them. I’m not saying this is the case in that posting but liking horses
is a good thing too don’t cha know?

[femmedem]

27. There is no justification for implying that the person you responded to is a Russian troll.

Plenty of longtime DUers have become cynical about the chances of Trump coming to justice.

This person has only been here a few months and doesn't have a high post count, but the posts indicate a committed Democrat. It's lousy of you to try to try to discredit a newish member rather than welcome them. If you are more optimistic about what will come of the DOJ filing, you can just say so.

[Botany]

28. If I am wrong I am sorry. I mean that.

But to me and my half baked pea brain it looked like the selling of a oft pushed
meme of why bother trying to get Trump so why bother and while you are at it
don’t bother to vote too because it is all rigged. Very convenient to bring up the
hopelessness of trying to get Trump right after a huge of legal cancer is now on Trump.

Again I might be wrong but I am not the brightest light on God’s Xmas 🌲.

[Betty Boom]

47. You ARE wrong

And I would appreciate an apology. Directly to me. And not obliquely.

I Phone banked three hours today for Kamala. What did you do to actual help the cause, other than jump to faulty conclusions on a website?

[Botany]

54. I have put my ass on the line to protect people's right to vote and have that vote counted and

… in some cases in very tough areas for 20 years in Ohio*, I am supporting Harris/Walz, Kiley
Adolph, and Mary Peltola during this election cycle, I have been a star member of DU for years,
I am going this AM to pick up some Harris/Walz yard signs right now that I designed and paid for,
I have personally walked voters through right wingers so they could vote, I have supported
an old friend who is a justice on Ohio’s Supreme Court and was our Sec. of State, made phone calls
and knocked on doors, worked for ecological restoration for 30+ years, worked against gerrymandering
in Ohio, and supported progressive media too.

*. Election Protection Work. … inside the polling station, outside of the polling station, and traveled
to different precincts as needed. Recount work too.

[Betty Boom]

61. And yet...

…you don’t have the strength of character to say a simple “I’m sorry,” when one is due.

One of the glories of aging is the ability to say I don’t want toxic people in my life. You’re on ignore now.

[femmedem]

53. If you look at Betty Boom's profile and her previous posts

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you'll see that she's obviously not a troll.

But more importantly, if you were concerned about pessimism depressing the vote for Democrats, you could have brought that up. This is a discussion board, and voicing your concerns--without attacking Betty Boom's motives--would have opened up an appropriate line of discussion.

DU will eventually die if new posters are continually chased out of here whenever they post something that longtime DUers disagree with. Of course, they should be chased out if they're knowingly posting misinformation or not supporting Democrats--but (a) that's not what happened here and (b) that's what the Alert button is for.

[demmiblue]

30. +1

[Betty Boom]

46. Thank you so much

I really appreciate your words. This is the second or third time this has happened to me and it really tends to make you not want to hang around. I truly appreciate it.

[femmedem]

52. You're very welcome, Betty Boom.

And thank you for the work you're doing for the Harris/Walz campaign. I hope you'll stay despite the several times you've been attacked. It's a shame that it only takes one or two posters to make someone feel unwelcome or to turn what ought to be a supportive community into a minefield.

Ideally, DU is a discussion board, not an echo chamber. As long as we're not spreading misinformation or supporting opponents of our Democratic candidates, everyone should be able to post their opinions without being accused of being a troll.

[Betty Boom]

63. Thanks again

I doubt I will post much. There is a lot of fluff that seems to get outsized attention, while posts that intrigue me seem to sink quickly on the board. It hardly seems worth the effort to post something thought-provoking.

But it’s a good source for memes and cartoons, so I will likely continue to lurk. Have a great day.

[uponit7771]

56. I don't get it

[OverBurn]

29. Yes and his brain dead cult doesn't care what he does or says.

[Dem4life1234]

38. It's so frustrating

[BWdem4life]

51. All things come to an end eventually

and tRump, too, shall pass. Remember to breathe, and try to find something positive in each day.

History will not be kind to that rotting piece of excrement.

[Torchlight]

8. I think this "Make them riot!" story has some damned strong legs.

The night after Vance tells America Mr. trump "peacefully transferred power" over, we see trump's own words: "Make them riot!"

That's front page bold type stuff right there.

[onenote]

17. Those are not Trump's own words.They are the words of a campaign employee/co-conspirator

It's clearly not Trump speaking or being spoken to. See page 8.

This is being mis-reported and folks are running with it.

[TomCADem]

33. Isn't the point of a conspiracy charge...

…is that you are liable for the actions of your co-conspirators? A mobster can’t just tell a hitman to make sure that a witness never testifies, then claim that he is innocent because he did not commit the murder or tell the hitman specifically to murder the witness.

[uponit7771]

59. Maybe but the claim here is it was DJT that said those words and it wasn't

[TomCADem]

60. I Doubt That Jack Smith Said Those Words Given...

...that the email itself as attached to the filing. It also shows how Trump's co-conspirators understood Trump's words and directions. Trump's main defense is that he was merely using heated rhetoric, and that he was not actually intending that folks start an insurrection. I think Jack Smith wants to show that Trump fully understood that his followers would take his words literally and that this was the intended result given that Trump was fully aware of the events as they transpired and not only did he not stop them, but that he intended to continue to support such developments.

The irony hear is that the action of the Secret Service is disobeying his direction to take him to the Capitol is what is allowing Trump to claim some non-involvement given that he was not literally on the steps of the Capitol telling his supporters to hand Mike Pence.

[lindysalsagal]

45. Ok, but we all saw the live stream of trump telling the mob to attack the capital

And they obviously had inside help. We already know he attempted a coup.

[dempls]

20. should be front page news

Let's see with the both sides media does with this??

[radical noodle]

23. It's currently the only thing being discussed on MSNBC

I'm anxious to see the newest headlines of the NYT and Wapo

[uponit7771]

58. It doesn't, it wasn't Trump who said it

[onetexan]

12. This is our October Surprise

[disappearingboy]

13. There is no rock bottom.

There is only a void that stares back at us.

[Mme. Defarge]

14. La merde

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has apparently hit le ventilateur!

[MLAA]

36. I'll est temps!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

16. Here is a link to the released filing

Link to tweet

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.252.0.pdf
The first page is a good read

[points]

18. Podcast deep dive into this filing's contents

I generated a podcast episode (using AI) that does a deep-dive into the contents of this filing. Good for those who don't want to read the entire thing, it gives a decent overview.

https://soundcloud.com/eli-callahan-994920843/usa-v-trump

Plus it's amazing what's possible now with AI. This took just a minute to create!

[karin_sj]

34. Excuse my ignorance...

I'm listening to the podcast and the voices of the man and woman discussing it are not real, but AI generated? If so, that's crazy (and a little scary!)

[Grins]

19. WHEN did he plan to do that? Me: July 2020!

That’s when he knew he was done. Both Bannon and Barr knew it. So did Fox if they chose to believe their own polling.

(I have not yet read the filing; hope it’s in there.)

[moondust]

21. "With private co-conspirators..."

Like this one?

How Speaker Johnson helped Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

31. We're gonna need Nuremberg sized trials for all the conspirators

Getting tired of wrist-slapping justice here. Time for some life w.o.p. and some decades long sentences.

[mchill]

32. Question

He’s likely preparing for an another loss he won’t accept. Bannon is in jail, Rudy seems hapless, who are the players who will be running Insurrection #2?
Cory? Kash? Stephen Miller? Do the unindicted co-conspirators come back on board??

[MLAA]

37. I can't wait for the denouement of the unindicted co-conspirators!

[mchill]

39. Oh will they flip then!

If some haven’t already.

[MLAA]

42. Oh, yes!

[mchill]

43. Yep

[Raiden70]

65. Try looking into

Jim DeMint (former president of The Heritage Foundation and chairman and founder of the Conservative Partnership Institute)
https://www.cpi.org/team/
Russ Vought (Project 2025 co-author)
Leonard Leo (VP of the Federalist Society)
Ed Corrigan (president of Conservative Partnership Institute)
Cleta Mitchell (chair of the Election Integrity Network)