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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAren't we all just a little weary of Drama-Season?
I so wish that Pres. O had just said "There will be no more negotiations until the new congress is seated in January...the voters told us what they wanted... Bush set these up to expire..and expire they will"..
All the hand-wringing and angst is ridiculous.
republicans refuse to negotiate...they apparently don't know the meaning of the word.. so F-em..
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Wonder what the impact to the Treasury of Smirko's tax cuts for hid cronies
amounts to?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Squinch
(51,004 posts)Laurian
(2,593 posts)and they might (rare chance) come back and act reasonably.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)After reading this article from the AP just a few minutes ago, I have no idea why Obama is still meeting with Boehner at all.
PB
patrice
(47,992 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)One of President Barack Obama's Senate allies said Thursday the White House has assured him the president won't yield to GOP demands to increase the eligibility age for Medicare.
Obama's fellow Illinois Democrat, Sen. Dick Durbin, told reporters that increasing the Medicare age is "no longer one of the items being considered by the White House."
At a news conference, Reid again called on House Republicans to allow a vote on renewing Bush-era tax cuts for the 98 percent of taxpayers whose incomes are below $250,000. Obama vows to force rates on family income exceeding $250,000 from a top rate of 35 percent to the Clinton-era rate of 39.6 percent. He said the alternative is to allow tax cuts for everyone to expire.
On Thursday, Sen. Jim DeMint, a South Carolina Republican and leading conservative figure, predicted that Obama would prevail in the fight over taxes.
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/12/fiscal_cliff_president_obama_w_1.html
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the huge Liberal Coalition of over one hundred organizations since he was one of those who back in April, stated that these programs should be on the table. It just shows that when Liberals get organized they are a real force. No more being told their ideas are 'retarded'. I am happy to see that Moveon has returned to acting like a Liberal organization instead of caving in order to gain access. Maybe they too learned that when you betray those who got you to where you are, they will leave and your new bff are not very interested in you once they get what they want.
They are now doing great work for the Coalition organizing contacts with every Dem Senator to let them know that we need to hear from them as some of them have been pretty silent.
Today's email is asking people to contact Feinstein and Boxer in Ca who have not been clear about where they stand. I tried calling several times today but could not get through. So they are hearing from those who put them in office finally.
Can you help get Sens. Feinstein and Boxer on the record by calling now and asking them:
"Do you commit to oppose any benefit cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid?"
Here's where to call:
Senator Dianne Feinstein
Phone: (202) 224-3841
Senator Barbara Boxer
Phone: (202) 224-3553
Then, please report your calls by clicking here:
http://pol.moveon.org/call?tg=FSCA_1.FSCA_2&cp_id=1852&id=59144-24457174-DPwsiDx&t=2
When you call, you'll be gathering important information on where Senate Democrats stand, and we'll use that knowledge to prepare a public scorecard of who's a champion for working families, who's wavering, and who's just plain weak-kneed. Then we'll focus our grassroots pressure on wavering Senators to build a bulwark in the Senate against any demands to cut benefits.
No more Mr. Nice Guy for Liberals. Dems either stand up for the people or they don't. And it's time for them to join Sanders and Harkin and now Durbin and tell the Republicans their ideas are not what the public wants.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)He's already said he's done negotiating with himself, so the media is doing the GOP part of negotation by inflaming public fears.
What I wish Obama could do, although he can't do it because it would be improper, is to declare Christmas early and go vacation in Hawaii until the Inauguration.
By the time he got back the Repukes would have shot themselves in the head. Hopefully the stains would be washed out of the carpet by the time the next Congress is in session.
indepat
(20,899 posts)tall.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)to solve the problem.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)We're going off the cliff, all right, the only game both sides are playing now is, "It's all THEIR fault, I always talked like a reasonable person from Election Day to New Year's Day."
That guarantees plenty of drama, and the President is fighting with a guy who has proven to be a better crier than he is.
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)They agreed to the two-year extension of the Bush Tax Cuts in 2010 and demanded the debt deal in 2011 as the ransom for raising the debt ceiling. Boehner crowed that he got 98% of what he wanted. And yet now they are saying that the two deals are going to cause this country to go off of a "Fiscal Cliff" yet they are spinning their wheels trying to get Democrats to slit their throats on Medicare/Social Security by agreeing to cuts that don't even improve the deficit situation, just so that they can use those to run against us in 2014 and 2016. AND THEY ARE STILL SERIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT MAKING US GO THROUGH THIS ALL AGAIN NEXT YEAR OVER THE DEBT CEILING!!!!
obxhead
(8,434 posts)He chose to bargain away social spending cuts today instead.
The tax rates should have expired, now they will expire and fuck us all with social spending cuts as well.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)whose incomes will decline by 17% on Jan. 1.
flying_wahini
(6,646 posts)and with a flourish, (and his smile)
turn on his heel and walk away.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Fuck'em! You can't negotiate with terrorists.