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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsToo many people on here are behaving as if Scott Brown is Superman and Elizabeth Warren is the only
supply of kryptonite on planet earth. Brown is a decent politician who, yes, won a special election in 2010. He won 52 to 47. He won against a candidate who campaigned fairly lackadasicaly and in the worst year for Democrats since the late 1920's. So what happened in 2012. Incumbent Brown ran against a political neophite and lost 53 to 46. Warren isn't the Harlem Globetrotters of politics. She is a good first time candidate. She won for the same reason that the next person to run against him for Senate will likely win. Massachusetts is a Democratic state and doesn't want someone who thinks Scalia is a great justice representing them in the Senate. In 2010 he could pretend he would go to the Senate and vote for Elena Kagan, vote for unemployment extensions, and in general act like a Democrat in the Senate. Instead he went to the Senate and did none of those things. Massachusetts then threw him out. The same thing is quite likely to happen to him again in 2013.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)I don't understand the push to appoint Kerry as SOS by the Republicans. They seem to feel the open Senate seat would automatically be a shoo-in for Brown. Makes no sense to me.
patrice
(47,992 posts)there in the Bay State.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)Like he's some kind of newbie.
And also like Romney didn't lose horribly, not to mention Warren's win.
Not saying it won't be hard work, just that whoever the opposition is, if we demonstrated anything at all this year, it is that money doesn't necessary buy you an election.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Brown in their pocket. I haven't read one thing that indicates Kerry wants to leave for SoS. And I don't think Brown was any good, despite some favorable reports here at DU. He definitely proved he was not fit to be in office with his campaign.
JI7
(89,264 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)SunSeeker
(51,698 posts)And Lawrence pointed out that Ed Markey has a $3 million war chest. That makes me feel a wee bit better. Still, Brown has a lot of money and is very slick. Lawrence showed a clip of Brown from today almost giddy over the thought of running again. This whole thing makes me queasy. Dems are so notorious at not showing up for special elections (as this would be) and midterms.
Isoldeblue
(1,135 posts)making zero sense on soooooooo many different issues over the past few years! They constantly over-reach and do things completely against the wishes of the people. Ideological zealots seldom make sense.
teamster633
(2,029 posts)Understandably, he underestimated Warren's chances of winning and, he made a few mistakes. None of those mistakes were irretrievable, though. In a horrible year for Cons, he still won 46% of the vote. Put another way, a lot of people who voted for Obama still voted for Brown!?! I was born in Massachusetts. My mom still lives there. I live no more than 20 miles from the northern border. Brown carpet-bombed the state (and my state, too) with ads on the radio and on TV for at least 10 months. Anyone who endured that is in no mood for giving him an opportunity to demonstrate how he has learned his lessons and just wants another chance to serve the people of Massachusetts as a voice of moderation. He certainly is the worst sort of scum but, he is slick and, he would still have a ton of money behind him. There is no good reason to take a chance on putting him back into the Senate just as we are finally exorcising the abomination of his sitting in Teddy's seat.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)does Warren then become the senior Senator?
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Kirk was the appointee who held the seat for a few months between Kennedy's death and Brown's election. If he followed Kerry anytime soon, the seniority he gained in his prior service would count, and he would be the senior Senator.
If Patrick appoints someone who's never served in the Senate, then Warren is the senior Senator, but she loses that status if Brown wins the ensuing special election.
As a practical matter, being the senior Senator is no big deal, anyway.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)Curiosity calmed.
FreeBC
(403 posts)I don't give a damn about Warren the candidate. I care about Warren the Senator.
JohnnyRingo
(18,641 posts)...was a fad of 2010 and now lacks the momentum of it's heyday during Glenn Beck's peak.
I've noticed most of the zealous 'baggers I know have quieted down, and I haven't heard of a rally in years. Perhaps it has run it's course, and candidates like Brown is yesterday's news.
I know if my congressman ran on gridlock instead of bringing home pork for his district, he'd be pretty weak tea by now. Maybe Tea Baggers are sick of watching their property taxes rise to keep federal spending down. They might be dumb, but they aren't stupid.
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)then the notion of having to be subjected to another Scotty Brown
campaign of blatant lies, pretenses and pure bullshit is too much to
stomach.
But, I suppose, it's inevitable. If not another Senate run, then he
would probably try running for state Rep. or (more likely) the
governor's office.
We will never be rid of this tool, I'm afraid.
edit to add: AND it will cost me another $100 for a campaign
contribution to whomever the Democrat will be !
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)We had to put up with Linda McMahon twice! Pure torture, I tell ya!
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)He'll continue to cash in with some kind of cushy job in D.C. as a big lobbyist. Let him go. Just don't show up in our state anymore, Joe.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)We have two great Senators now. Chris Murphy was on Rachel Maddow last night and I am so happy it was him and not Jomentum talking about Newtown.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Flynn is particular makes my blood boil. Flynn tries to pass Brown off as bipartisan. The democratic nominee must hit Brown and Flynn hard with the abundant evidence that Brown has been part and parcel of the republican obstructionist machine in Congress and that Brown is largely beholden to southern republicans who Massachusetts voters have no logical cultural or economic reason to embrace.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Brown is more like Lex Luthor or maybe Vincent Von Doom, only slightly better looking.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)I am used to calling him Dr.
But Stan Lee himself was the one who called Bruce Banner - Robert.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)H2O Man
(73,605 posts)Likewise, too many people here have no concept of what the credentials for Secretary of State should be.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)MA Dems having to run another campaign against him makes me nervous. I honestly am not sure what the outcome will be. All we can do is fight again.
I would like to see Mike Capuano in the Senate.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The problem is, why take a 33% chance of failure with something you already have?
I'll fight that fight if Kerry is the next SOS, but a bit of angst is understandable. Every senate seat is precious at this point.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)But he didn't lose solely because of Elizabeth Warren - he lost because voters there rejected him. They didn't like him. They tried him out and they decided he wasn't someone who shared their values. That is unlikely to change in the next few months. Now, had this been any other state other than Massachusetts - had it been, say, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, I'd be more worried. But I have faith Democrats will take this race a bit more seriously than in 2010 and we'll hold on to the seat.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)believe in.
Now we see that a Republicans was soundly defeated by an upstart politician and a great candidate, Liz Warren. If Scott Brown was such a good candidate, why did he lose? The bigger question is why do Democrats have this inferiority complex? Why are we such cowards? That's the question.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I don't consider Scott Brown to be "decent" in any way.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)for a race now is at a disadvantage.
It isn't that he is unbeatable. It is simply the logistics of a Senate race held on very short notice.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Patrick can have a campaign up and running within a week. Patrick didn't shut his operation down because he used it to help him govern the state, similar to what Obama is trying now for the country. Patrick helped Warren mightily during her race, unlike Coakley, who largely sidelined Patrick.
The result in Massachusetts will depend on who democrats pick if Kerry vacates. Patrick can beat Brown because Patrick is an aggressive campaigner who sounds the right notes, has been a wonderful Governor and polls well in every part of the state, not losing a lot of votes to Brown in the densely populated and moderate leaning central part of the state that contains the massive Middlesex and Worcester counties. I am not sure Mike Capuano can beat Brown in a statewide race. Ted Kennedy Jr can likely beat Brown in a statewide race if he gets out and campaign hard. I am not sure that Vicki Kennedy can beat Brown, but she is a real wild card and unknown, if she campaigns hard and hits the right campaign strategy notes, her intelligence, education, pedigree, looks and being the wife of Ted will give her an advantage. Regardless of who runs, Patrick will be the king maker and the nominee needs to work closely with Patrick if that person expects to win.
dsc
(52,166 posts)Patrick's numbers weren't all that awesome when she ran so sidelining him wasn't the totally stupid move it would be now.