Far Right vs Far Left?

[LilElf70]

Last edited Sat Nov 30, 2024, 06:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Please let me bend your ear for a lil while. Recently, I'm reading a lot about Trump, and how he destroyed the establishment republicants on the right. He now represents the "far" right, the old tea party, and the people on the right now prefer the far right to represent them from here on out. The evidence is everywhere. And the far right has every intention to rule from here on out. 90% of establish republicants will be replaced next election.

The left. A few facts. We have now placed 2/3 strong female candidates in prime light, only to fail against the worst president in history each time. It was embarrassing. The one time we did win, it was record breaking. All 3 times the candidate represented the establishment. Losing 66% of the last 3 elections is a good way to lose your democracy, which is the direction we're heading. Everyone is sick and tired of losing our democracy. I only hope we make it 4 more to change the future of this country.

Enter Bernie Sanders and his presence in 2016. He was monumental, but not monumental enough where Democrats were ready for someone to move them from central left to extreme left. Then along came AOC and more and more that people that supported Bernies policies. I don't have to tell anyone here, but it's obvious he wants democratic socialism. And for the right reasons. The right absolutely hates it because that means giving many free items for those cannot afford it. That drives them crazy. To them nobody gets something for free. Healthcare for all, Medicare for all, etc....... I could go on and on and on.

So think about this. I have always believed in "We the people". It is clearly obvious that something has to change, if we want to start winning elections. Here we have a poorly selected far right candidate beating an establishment democrat 2/3 of the time. And the far right is pretty good at selling bullshit and lies to do it. To any fight, you always want at least an equal chance of winning. Being the underdog is not a good position to be in, as we recently found out.

It may not be popular, but maybe its time to fight fire with fire. Far RIGHT VS Far LEFT. Support Sanders policies. Advertise it as "A party the destroys people vs a party that helps everyone". And sure as hell, I saw something today about Faux news indicating to "Keep an eye on AOC, She could be a contender in 28". Personally I'd love to see her run.

Something drastic has to change. Maybe it's time to consider the above. I don't know what the answer is, but I want at least an equal chance to win. The SOS is no longer acceptable. We must demand for more. We've got 4 years to figure this shit out.

[Phoenix61]

1. Biden and Kamala had the most pro-worker/union

presidency since FDR. Throw in what he did for infrastructure and green energy both of which have good paying jobs. The biggest issue I see is he didn’t brag about it and MSM damn sure didn’t cove it. We came out of the pandemic in better shape than any other country but again he didn’t brag and MSM didn’t cover it. Our policies are fine. That people don’t know what we’ve accomplished is definitely not.

[Dem4life1234]

4. This!

The American mainstream media is complacent in this factor. They failed their job.


They were too busy covering Biden's age and that stupid debate. I despise them with a passion.

[The Madcap]

2. I only wish

There were more center-left candidates who could connect with the American people.

[LilElf70]

3. Fire with fire

I think it might work.

[Mossfern]

7. Then we're guaranteed to end up with fire.

What then?
I'm not far left, so I have some hesitation to endorse that.

[LilElf70]

8. It was meant

to play the game as they have done. I like starting with an equal chance, not the underdog. As with some people, they just don't feel comfortable outside their box. I look at it this way. I support about 90% of Bernie's policies. Name me some policies he supports that you don't like? Then answer if that policy would stop you from voting, if you got 90% of what you know damn well will help people, and make this country a better place to live. We're the richest country on the planet. There's is absolutely no reason to not want the best for it's people. ALL of us.

[LilElf70]

6. I'm not saying elect Bernie

Elect someone that shares his visions for the country. AOC fits that bill.

[Mossfern]

11. I don't think she could win.

You can't just say "elect" someone without doing research into the viability of the candidate.

[W_HAMILTON]

9. """Everything I don't like is The Establishment!!!1!"""

While we are bending ears, Trump """destroyed establishment Republicans on the right""" because he won the Republican primary.

Using your definition of "far left" and apparently "non-establishment," none of those types have come close to winning a Democratic primary and they are unlikely to do so in 2028 either. Most of those types don't have broad appeal outside of bright blue enclaves, which isn't enough to win a Democratic primary with as diverse a voter base as we have.

[betsuni]

12. Example: When Planned Parenthood was called part of the establishment as an insult.

Hiding under the bed with all the other scary evil "establishment" enemies out to get you and stop a ridiculous revolution bedtime story from coming true. And it's STILL going on.

[Blue_Tires]

10. I swear to Christ...

If DU could just go ONE DAY without mentioning St. Bern... 😐

I supported him in the 2016 primary, but ever since October 2016 when he gave his people a green light to vote for the angry orange idiot, he's been dead to me. Nevermind the fact that he was also way too quiet during Donnie's first term...

[LilElf70]

13. Well, there's not reason to swear

to Christ. It's clearly obvious you don't like Bernie. It does not change the fact that there are millions that still like the man and what he stands for. Swearing won't fix anything. No one is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes. I see it as a plus that he is one of the few that actually leans left, far left.

The point here is the democrats have to change something. The same old same old has not worked in the past 2 out of 3 elections. If nothing changes, get use to losing. I'm not read for that. Now I'm sure you'll finally get to the point that Bernie is an independent, that runs as a democrat. Many people here hate him for that. I say who cares. He leans to the left big time. I see that as a positive sign. There isn't a piece of right in anything this man stands for. Yet there are many, like yourself, that absolutely refuse to listen just because he claims the be a democratic socialist. Grow up. Your future depends on it.

I vote for a person based on their policies. And the correct policies are what will make this country a great place to live in the future. No more giving tax breaks to the rich. No more denying people the right to healthcare. No more dividing the country. No more big money in politics. No more charging people ridiculous prices to get an education. I can go on and on.

So quit your whining over something Bernie said that got under your skin. Look at the big picture and quit holding grudges. Bernie is all about US. Always has been about US.

So I don't really care who we vote for. It could be Bernie(which it wont be, due to age), Mary, Bob, Cindy, Joe....anyone..... As long as they represent all the people in this country with workable policies.

Lord only knows what will happen over the next 4 years. I don't see it as a good thing for anyone but the rich. I will tell you this. If our democracy is still in tact then, it will be the last time we will have, to save it. Once you lose that, you may never get it back.

[Blue_Tires]

14. Why do we have to change anything?

Donnie has literally run the exact same campaign for 8 years now...? St. Bern hasn't changed his shtick a single iota...? Don't you dare fucking insult everyone's intelligence by saying the people really love St. Bern's policies when they steadfastly refused to support the candidate who could have gotten them say, 75 percent of his policies... And while we're on the topic, please enlighten me why Americans just voted for a criminal Nazi who will not only give them zero of St. Bern's policies; he will also undoubtedly make everyone's lives worse unless they're one-percenters?

And I'm not "whining" about St. Bern's backstabbing, bro... There is a line drawn in the sand between us and the bad guys that St. Bern has historically straddled whenever it was convenient for him.... And I know your heart is in the right place, so please listen to me just one last time:

This... Election... Was... Not... Decided... By... Policy!!!

It was decided by: 1. Sexism 2. Racism 3. Disinformation 4. Dems being victims of the same garden variety ratfucking that we always seem to fall for every two years...

[Skittles]

17. THANK YOU

I fucking DESPISE HIM. He is one of the reasons we have Donald Fucking Trump

[betsuni]

15. "I have always believed in 'We the people." Who voted for Trump. That's the Will of the People.

What is an "establishment democrat"? What Fox News says? I have no idea what this is about.

[JHB]

16. The thing is: Bernie and AOC are only "far left" because they insist on keeping that "democratic socialist" label

The positions they hold are not those of any variety of socialist. What they want is a reversal of the "Reagan Revolution" and an updated New Deal, which is not socialism. Unfortunately, both forget that, as politicians, their job is not to educate, their job is to persuade. They both managed to be successful with the DS label (Bernie from all those years as the mayor of Burlington, giving voters the chance to know they guy, not the label, and AOC because she ran in a heavily Democratic district where the guy who held the seat before her had neglected demographic changes in the district and got caught on a open mike saying he wouldn't have even bothered coming to an event if he wasn't being challenged). But outside their circumstances? They just give themselves an extra hurdle to have to jump over.

Strip away that extra hurdle, and what do they want? To restore some of the lessons we learned from the New Deal and stop allowing the playing field to be tilted toward the rich.

That's not "far left" unless you're an effing right-winger who calls EVERYTHING they don't like "far left".

[Emile]

18. +1 Great post!