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11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:09 PM Dec 2012

Wayne LaPierre should be forced to dig 26 graves with his bare fucking hands.

Then he should be compelled to explain to 20 sets of parents why his right to own as many guns as he can afford, including semi-automatic weapons, trumps their right to watch their kids grow up. After that, the fucking imbeciles at Fox and Friends must explain to those same grief-stricken parents that "now is not the time" to discuss rational gun control limitations because that would just be "politicizing a tragedy".

Fuck 'em, each and every damned one of them!

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Wayne LaPierre should be forced to dig 26 graves with his bare fucking hands. (Original Post) 11 Bravo Dec 2012 OP
+1,000 catbyte Dec 2012 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author HowHasItComeToThis Dec 2012 #26
Make that 27... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #2
You have to have a soul for that atreides1 Dec 2012 #9
then dumping him into hole 27 wouldn't be murder... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #18
agree WashingtonConsensus Dec 2012 #93
Agreed nt CherokeeDem Dec 2012 #3
Plus one billion. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #4
Plus ANOTHER one billion!!! calimary Dec 2012 #89
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #139
We do not have enough gun control laws! The NRA is an evil group! hrmjustin Dec 2012 #141
Fuck them all with their god damned assault rifles we can do it Dec 2012 #5
he should have to bury his own children after they die of gun violence Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #6
that's a really ugly thing to say fizzgig Dec 2012 #34
Shame on you. That's a horrible thing to say. And it has nothing to do with karma. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #40
I'm not ashamed. He's been making a living for over 30 years pushing Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #45
You are shameful. Advocating the killing of children to make him feel badly. Please self delete. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #46
he doesn't have small children Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #49
You imply that his children should be killed and he bury them. You shouldnt imply anyone be killed rhett o rick Dec 2012 #54
It sounded to me like you in fact DID pangaia Dec 2012 #70
So he should bury them alive? mythology Dec 2012 #98
He is a mass murderer, but I wonder if he'd change his tune if one of those children had been his Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #63
Vile and unworthy of this forum. mahina Dec 2012 #120
The Jury, and the overwhelming majority of DUers, seems to say otherwise. Spryguy Dec 2012 #124
No so. mahina Dec 2012 #143
I hope you don't mean that... October Dec 2012 #127
NO! Bluzmann57 Dec 2012 #133
Fuck him and everything he has done. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #7
It's never been about his rights to own guns atreides1 Dec 2012 #8
Right on the money! Bohunk68 Dec 2012 #16
And that's why LaPierre and NRA sponsors regard today as a MARKETING OPPORTUNITY! TahitiNut Dec 2012 #87
Right on!!! Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #136
Damn right. And have those hugging their guns tonight help. Hoyt Dec 2012 #10
Hit the nail on the head! Those hugging their guns SHOULD be digging 26 graves by hand & be ashamed! DearHeart Dec 2012 #119
we should also be there to watch him. xchrom Dec 2012 #11
+++++++++++++++++ n/t Tansy_Gold Dec 2012 #20
Fuck 'em with dried corncobs. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #12
27. He can bury himself alive in the last one. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #13
You read my mind. Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #19
he should be tried for murder 100,000 times over samsingh Dec 2012 #14
indeed noiretextatique Dec 2012 #15
But, guns are LaPierre's business; he's rich from promoting fear and gun fetishes. Zookeeper Dec 2012 #17
That's right 2naSalit Dec 2012 #95
Wayne LaPierre don't care and either does most Iliyah Dec 2012 #21
Many people here at DU agree with Mr. LaPierre. AllyCat Dec 2012 #58
k&r... spanone Dec 2012 #22
I'd throw him in the first one he digs n/t malaise Dec 2012 #23
I'd throw the pos in the last one he digs n/t mokawanis Dec 2012 #51
Completely agree Tsiyu Dec 2012 #24
In frozen ground, in the middle of winter, with no coat or shirt on! RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #25
Him and everyone else who insists on keeping guns easily available. tblue Dec 2012 #27
Every gun supporter is part of this. lindysalsagal Dec 2012 #28
I agree. n/t SoapBox Dec 2012 #29
+1000000000000000 Initech Dec 2012 #30
LaPierre is an asshole. glinda Dec 2012 #31
The FOX news staff should join him. blackspade Dec 2012 #32
How many more will have to die before the gun nuts get serious japple Dec 2012 #33
There is no limit. Guns are more important that sex to them. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #48
Vietnam All Over Again queentonic Dec 2012 #35
Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China tattulip Dec 2012 #36
What would you do if there were no hypotheticals? Efilroft Sul Dec 2012 #39
The death toll will be significantly less-to-non-existent. Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #50
Can you believe it? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #65
I'm tired, and you're tiresome. Go away. 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #53
Do you have a point? George II Dec 2012 #57
Guns are for chicken-$hits. They don't want to get close to their victims. AllyCat Dec 2012 #60
did all 22 die? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #66
Here's how you can tell you're a moron: jeff47 Dec 2012 #74
Probably saved hundreds of lives laundry_queen Dec 2012 #132
Enjoy your stay WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #75
Reading this thread Berserker Dec 2012 #137
Hey, Dumbshit. Did you notice the difference in death tolls between the two attacks? Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #78
may want to look at the total # of cases RegexReader Dec 2012 #118
What an utter steaming pile of bullshit laundry_queen Dec 2012 #134
I can see why this is true at least in civilian cases. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2012 #145
Pizza time troll DainBramaged Dec 2012 #79
How many died in the knife attack, asshole? _ed_ Dec 2012 #83
INJURED 22--how many DIED? truebluegreen Dec 2012 #84
And the souless speak baldguy Dec 2012 #85
I can outrun a man with a knife... I can't outrun one with a gun scheming daemons Dec 2012 #92
Can you? Good for you. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #146
You are an ignorant a**hole. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #107
Hey, 1 post asshole RetroLounge Dec 2012 #111
Thank God he didn't have a gun. Sparkly Dec 2012 #113
Please! Janecita Dec 2012 #130
20 kids Bravo 20 children underpants Dec 2012 #37
Bravo, Bravo! LeftNeckChick Dec 2012 #38
Agreed! Welcome to DU, and I hope you enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #42
+1000 nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #41
I agree heaven05 Dec 2012 #43
post the pictures of the children and tag every one with the NRA. juxtaposed Dec 2012 #44
THAT is a strong idea navarth Dec 2012 #135
I agree. We have thousands of unemployed veterans doc03 Dec 2012 #47
Faux won't have time to fit this story in. lpbk2713 Dec 2012 #52
I normally don't like seeing or using profanity in posts here but today is different... George II Dec 2012 #55
Requesting that you consider an edit this post. cbayer Dec 2012 #71
Appreciate your request, and respect it, but............. George II Dec 2012 #115
Many disagree with you and I generally maintain that those who are offended cbayer Dec 2012 #147
It is offensively homophobic ONLY if you want to read homophobia into it.......... George II Dec 2012 #148
Whatever floats your boat. Stand your ground and make all the justifications you want. cbayer Dec 2012 #149
I'm not making "justifications" - I know what I posted and so do you, and it clearly was NOT... George II Dec 2012 #151
No, sir. It is most definitely your problem. But I will leave it at that. cbayer Dec 2012 #152
duplicate post - sorry about that. cbayer Dec 2012 #72
I saw nothing wrong with your comment... SkyDaddy7 Dec 2012 #94
Hear, hear - n/t primavera Dec 2012 #56
Read Dr. Albert Bandura's article on Moral Disengagement practices. I assert the practice is cause earcandle Dec 2012 #59
K & R - He's a piece of sh*t nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #61
A-FUCKING-MEN! AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #62
I blame ALEC more. The NRA is just PR for glorifying a RW agenda. freshwest Dec 2012 #64
About A.L.E.C. another_liberal Dec 2012 #91
Part of the reason for the national epidemic is their push in every state to liberalize gun laws. freshwest Dec 2012 #97
I would like him to explain how the tragedy might have been stopped if someone at the scene ballaratocker Dec 2012 #67
Actually i heard where this is not the worst case of gun violence in the US so.. Vietnameravet Dec 2012 #68
He should have to help clean the bodies. He should be forced to read all their little papers Care Acutely Dec 2012 #69
I Really Don't Think He Cares Much... Nor ChiciB1 Dec 2012 #73
With The Help Of Ted Nugent. Paladin Dec 2012 #76
you know that all day the NRA has been in meetings on how to "manage this situation" Botany Dec 2012 #77
They're not commenting until all the facts are in. AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #90
Nothing like Hypocrites. PatrynXX Dec 2012 #80
Not only on Faux, alas, crim son Dec 2012 #81
K&R! MSE!!!!! MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #82
K&R. David Zephyr Dec 2012 #86
Our current laws . . . another_liberal Dec 2012 #88
Wayne is busy bathing in the blood of children. moondust Dec 2012 #96
Wayne LaPierre and Grover are in the same boat.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #99
Thank you. ScottLand Dec 2012 #100
Works for me. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #101
K&R myrna minx Dec 2012 #102
If anyone knows where he lives, bring 18 shovels, glinda Dec 2012 #103
I feel the same way sometimes. Is it really necessary for a handgun to shoot 33 rounds without going cecilfirefox Dec 2012 #104
My mom says Wayne LaPierre would have a different view of guns... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #105
I can think of a different response for WLP. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #106
So no one has seen the "new" info? dpgillam Dec 2012 #108
Did you see the news about his access to guns? His mother had knives, too, AND a car, but oddly, he WinkyDink Dec 2012 #114
This. October Dec 2012 #128
Anything to defend the gun manufacturers, eh? _ed_ Dec 2012 #123
My son wanted to go to the midnight showing of "The Hobbit" last night - BallardWA Dec 2012 #109
K&R n/t lupinella Dec 2012 #110
Amen R B Garr Dec 2012 #112
Wayne LaPierre The Wizard Dec 2012 #116
Insert "Bloody" after "Fucking" In The Title And You Have Nailed It n/t DallasNE Dec 2012 #117
K&R 99Forever Dec 2012 #121
BRAVO fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #122
Theyt need to just shut down the fucking Gungeon.m They have no place in our party! Spryguy Dec 2012 #125
Yea fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #126
where is wayne? he should be out there defending his organization. spanone Dec 2012 #129
That sorry bastard and the NRA has the blood of innocent children workinclasszero Dec 2012 #131
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #140
Oh my... hrmjustin Dec 2012 #142
I agree. HoosierRadical Dec 2012 #138
Are we ready to tackle the NRA? saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #144
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) pepper.spray Dec 2012 #156
+ 1 Dalai_1 Dec 2012 #150
what's wayne's home adress pepper.spray Dec 2012 #155
Don't let your mouth write the check your ass can't cash lusthog Dec 2012 #158
What if liability insuranse was compulsory for every semi-automatic weapon with a license issued. Thinkingabout Dec 2012 #153
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #154
Bravo! I love an emotional response. flvegan Dec 2012 #157

Response to catbyte (Reply #1)

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
2. Make that 27...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:12 PM
Dec 2012

Any person with a sense of decency, upon hearing how his life's work caused the deaths of so MANY children would feel suicidal remorse.

calimary

(81,476 posts)
89. Plus ANOTHER one billion!!!
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:13 PM
Dec 2012

Their deaths lay at his feet. Anyone promoting and defending the wanton use and ownership of guns with NO restrictions - deserves that, too.

Response to calimary (Reply #89)

we can do it

(12,194 posts)
5. Fuck them all with their god damned assault rifles
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:13 PM
Dec 2012

fuck you greedy self centered me only republican assholes for the shitty example you are setting. fuck you fox spews for spreading hatred. fuck you nra

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
34. that's a really ugly thing to say
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:08 PM
Dec 2012

why wish his children ill? they are no less innocent than those who died today.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
40. Shame on you. That's a horrible thing to say. And it has nothing to do with karma.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:27 PM
Dec 2012

Edit: I alerted on this horrific post only to find it was allowed to stand. Advocating the death of children.

I would appreciate knowing how the jury rationalized killing children.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
45. I'm not ashamed. He's been making a living for over 30 years pushing
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:31 PM
Dec 2012

extreme positions.
So in my book, I attribute some percentage of the over 250,000 deaths by gun violence to him.
He's a mass murderer.
He will never change until it affects him personally.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
46. You are shameful. Advocating the killing of children to make him feel badly. Please self delete. nm
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:33 PM
Dec 2012

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
49. he doesn't have small children
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:35 PM
Dec 2012

and I didn't advocate killing children.
I said that he should have to bury his children, not that someone should go and find his children and kill them.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
54. You imply that his children should be killed and he bury them. You shouldnt imply anyone be killed
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:39 PM
Dec 2012

here. Maybe you didnt mean that, maybe an edit would fix it.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
63. He is a mass murderer, but I wonder if he'd change his tune if one of those children had been his
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:59 PM
Dec 2012

I doubt it. He's a blood sucking, money-hungry shithead. For him, money is more important than lives.

mahina

(17,697 posts)
143. No so.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:42 PM
Dec 2012

The reason for the alert was:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

You added the following comments:

What could be more over the top than suggesting this? Vile and unworthy of this forum.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this post at Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:34 AM, and voted 3-3 to keep it.

Thank you.

Bluzmann57

(12,336 posts)
133. NO!
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:54 AM
Dec 2012

Whether one agrees with LaPierre or not, one should never ever wish anything like murder to befall his or anyone else's children. Shame on you for suggesting such a thing.

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
8. It's never been about his rights to own guns
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:16 PM
Dec 2012

It's always been about the rights of gun makers to sell their tools of death to anyone who can come up with the money.

All LaPierre and the other slags at the NRA care about is the money they make as lobbyists for the gun makers!

And I agree with you about him digging each grave with his bare hands, but make sure it's in frozen ground!

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
87. And that's why LaPierre and NRA sponsors regard today as a MARKETING OPPORTUNITY!
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:13 PM
Dec 2012

At the same time the Michigan GOP Legislative caucus passes obscenity after obscenity, one making concealed carry legal in schools (but don't light a fucking cigarette in the parking lot!), they actually 'respond' to this unspeakable tragedy by proposing that teachers carry guns!!! (One teacher owned four guns ... and look what her 20-year-old son did with them!!)

DearHeart

(692 posts)
119. Hit the nail on the head! Those hugging their guns SHOULD be digging 26 graves by hand & be ashamed!
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:28 AM
Dec 2012

Never thought I would see that day that 20 little children would be murdered and it wouldn't matter one iota to any of these people holding so tightly to their precious guns. Why are people so attached to their damn guns??? I cannot fathom one reason why anyone who has seen the horrific scenes from today and those terrorized little kids and their parents, and not be willing to, at the very least, put stricter controls on who can own these guns and where they can buy them!

You can bet your ass that if it were one of their kids, or their nieces or nephews, they would then be the ones demanding stricter gun controls. Why is it that it always takes someone in one's own family to be hurt, killed, or contract a deadly or dibilitating disease before we do anything about it?? How many more children have to die??

Sorry about the rant!

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
11. we should also be there to watch him.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:22 PM
Dec 2012

it should be televised -- each bruising, painful scrape with his god forsaken hands.

Zookeeper

(6,536 posts)
17. But, guns are LaPierre's business; he's rich from promoting fear and gun fetishes.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:28 PM
Dec 2012

Business is holy, getting rich anyway possible is holy, as long as the perp wears a suit and can hide behind a title.

2naSalit

(86,780 posts)
95. That's right
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:47 PM
Dec 2012

if somebody can make $millions, then it's okay no matter who else gets hurt or killed... in a capitalist society, money is all that matters.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
21. Wayne LaPierre don't care and either does most
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:39 PM
Dec 2012

GOPpers and insane conservatives because GAWD forgive you try and take their guns as well as their bibles.

AllyCat

(16,222 posts)
58. Many people here at DU agree with Mr. LaPierre.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:50 PM
Dec 2012

They are usually present in every thread after something like this happens spouting their pro-gun crap veiled as Constitutional rights.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
24. Completely agree
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:43 PM
Dec 2012


He's probably having drinks with his buddies right now, caressing their guns and laughing it up.

Diseased piece of fucking scum....



 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
25. In frozen ground, in the middle of winter, with no coat or shirt on!
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:45 PM
Dec 2012

Then he should be tarred and feathered!

tblue

(16,350 posts)
27. Him and everyone else who insists on keeping guns easily available.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:52 PM
Dec 2012

Yep. Every last one. I don't care who they are. They own this collectively.

japple

(9,839 posts)
33. How many more will have to die before the gun nuts get serious
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:07 PM
Dec 2012

about some sort of reasonable process to regulate weapons.

queentonic

(243 posts)
35. Vietnam All Over Again
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:09 PM
Dec 2012

I was an Army Medic in Vietnam '69 and seeing children as young as this being murdered is even beyond what I care to comprehend. I saw a lot of children killed in Vietnam, but that was a war zone and expected. However, that doesn't excuse it for happening, but when I was checking out of Vietnam to catch a flight home on the Freedom Bird, Whole Baggage would not allow us to take an AK-47 with us as a souvenir because it was illegal and considered a weapon for combat use only. Get these combat weapons off the street - period. I've had enough!!!!!

 

tattulip

(1 post)
36. Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:11 PM
Dec 2012

And what are you going to cry when they take away the guns and the knifing starts?

Efilroft Sul

(3,581 posts)
39. What would you do if there were no hypotheticals?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:17 PM
Dec 2012

Nobody's going to take away guns; it's an NRA circle-jerk fantasy.

But requiring a psychological background check of those owning or wanting to own a gun might be something worth considering.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
65. Can you believe it?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:01 PM
Dec 2012

Or maybe the post was meant to show that a knife injures while guns murder. I dunno. Either way, it's a crazy post.

AllyCat

(16,222 posts)
60. Guns are for chicken-$hits. They don't want to get close to their victims.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:52 PM
Dec 2012

It takes someone really bold, crazy, or whatever to actually have to get that close to someone with a weapon. If the perp can see the faces of the people they think they want to slay, it's tougher.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
74. Here's how you can tell you're a moron:
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:39 PM
Dec 2012

How many of those 22 died?

Zero.

Thanks for making our point that tight gun control saved 22 lives.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
132. Probably saved hundreds of lives
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:54 AM
Dec 2012

imagine that fucker with a semi-automatic mowing down those kids. The gun whackos are too stupid to realize this undermines their own argument. Fucking idiots.

 

Berserker

(3,419 posts)
137. Reading this thread
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:58 PM
Dec 2012

It must be the DU you seem to miss. Was it filled with fear and hatred? I don't think so.

“We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear — fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, fear of getting down-sized or fired because of the plunging economy, fear of getting evicted for bad debts, or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer.” Hunter S. Thompson “

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
78. Hey, Dumbshit. Did you notice the difference in death tolls between the two attacks?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:42 PM
Dec 2012

You've just made the OPPOSITE point of what you intended.

Do you see this boy? He is a victim of the knife attack. He is ALIVE. If he'd been hit by a bullet in Connecticut, he would be DEAD.

Wake the fuck up.

RegexReader

(416 posts)
118. may want to look at the total # of cases
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:09 AM
Dec 2012

There is a higher fatality rate with edged weapons than from handguns.

Regardless, I'm stunned by this all. Pure satanic savagery. My 12 year old daughter was pretty shook up about it when she got back from gymnastics.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
134. What an utter steaming pile of bullshit
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:57 AM
Dec 2012

Higher fatality my ASS. Post link. Bonus points if the link doesn't say something about distance from victim.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
145. I can see why this is true at least in civilian cases.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:10 PM
Dec 2012

Although if you include those that were killed in war I'd highly doubt that. If you look at it world wide., most people cannot afford a gun. Or live in a country with strict gun control laws (most do). So of course the only weapon available is a knife.

The real question is how many more deaths there would have been if those knife murderers had had a gun instead.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
84. INJURED 22--how many DIED?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:06 PM
Dec 2012

NONE.

P.S. You're bringing a spork to a knife-fight.

F@ck the NRA and the gun-fetishists.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
146. Can you? Good for you.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:54 PM
Dec 2012

I'm a pretty damn serious bike racer (former Cat 1 Women...race in the "old gals" class now), and I could probably outrun most people over distance: I have pretty good endurance. But could I outsprint a young, fit male, the group most statistically likely to commit assault? Maybe...maybe not. Fit as I am, I'm still only 5'4" (not a long stride) and built for the long haul, not bursts of speed (110'bs). If he could catch me in the first 40 yards, my greater endurance is irrelevant.

Hell, someone like that wouldn't need a knife if he got hold of me...

Janecita

(86 posts)
130. Please!
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:32 AM
Dec 2012

The key word in your post is "injures". Let me guess, your next post is going to be "guns don't kill people....." I'm so fucking tired of the same fucking excuses.

underpants

(182,880 posts)
37. 20 kids Bravo 20 children
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:12 PM
Dec 2012

I just watched the President's speech and I have tears in my eyes. I am hope today with my daughter because she was running a fever. She has been watching Holiday movies while I cleaned and I only got this story late this afternoon. I don't know why I am posting because there are no words. 20 kids. That is my daughter's school.

whew I just can't imagine. I have empathy but I just can't imagine what those families are going through.

Every meal is a banquet and every day a parade. That's an old Army saying about getting out but days like this really make you appreciate every second you get to have with your kids and your family. Or that you just get. This one person's madness was a 1,000 miles away but it feels like it is right down the street. 20 kids. children. unbelieveable.

LeftNeckChick

(7 posts)
38. Bravo, Bravo!
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:13 PM
Dec 2012

Couldn't have said it better myself. If now isn't the time to talk about gun control... when is?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
43. I agree
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:29 PM
Dec 2012

I have to be careful here. I already got slapped down today for my anger at the fact waiters. Wait for the facts before saying this was an act of an insane person who should not have had access to a weapon. I am sad for the families and kids. The teachers and all who went through this will suffer for years. Only the walking insane can excuse this with a "let's not talk about this today." Yes this very minute the debate should start on assault weapons and extended magazines I have used them and their potential for damage is horrendous. Pox news can be depended on to embarrass themselves. Let them keep talking. Maybe people will finally see the soulless nature of a lot of their on air personalities. I just hope sanity will finally win out in this country.

 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
44. post the pictures of the children and tag every one with the NRA.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:29 PM
Dec 2012

I think it's time for the NRA to go away.

doc03

(35,368 posts)
47. I agree. We have thousands of unemployed veterans
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:34 PM
Dec 2012

we should train one as security for each and every school and mall in the country.
You should have to have a background check and a license to own a gun.

George II

(67,782 posts)
55. I normally don't like seeing or using profanity in posts here but today is different...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:39 PM
Dec 2012

...I just checked the NRA website - the cocksuckers don't have a SINGLE WORD about what happened today!

I doubt that asshole would be able to dig those graves with his bare hands - they're too stained with children's blood.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
71. Requesting that you consider an edit this post.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:36 PM
Dec 2012

Cocksucker has long been used as a homophobic slur, and while a jury let this stand, I thought you should know that it is highly offensive to many people.

Thanks for your consideration.

George II

(67,782 posts)
115. Appreciate your request, and respect it, but.............
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:04 AM
Dec 2012

...that word has more than one "meaning" and reference - it's not a homphobic slur in this case. I hope you understand.

We're reeling out of control in this country with the obsession with guns, rationalizing with the sacred "Second Amendment" - and the scumbag NRA prostitutes that amendment and hides behind it with their blindness and selfishness.

George II

(67,782 posts)
148. It is offensively homophobic ONLY if you want to read homophobia into it..........
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:41 PM
Dec 2012

...........instead of the obvious way that I used the word.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cocksucker

Seven main definitions with 12 sub-definitions. Not a single one referring to a gay man, just about every similar to the way I meant it.

If one is going to consider the sexual aspect of the word, I've known hundreds more women that performed that act than men.

PS - many did NOT find it offensive in the context in which it was written.

PPS - my gay brother didn't find my post homophobically offensive.

PPPS - isn't posting the result of a jury (with the details, 4-2 in my favor, by the way) a violation of the TOS of this site?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
149. Whatever floats your boat. Stand your ground and make all the justifications you want.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:59 PM
Dec 2012

And no, the posting of jury results is not a tos violation.

George II

(67,782 posts)
151. I'm not making "justifications" - I know what I posted and so do you, and it clearly was NOT...
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:25 PM
Dec 2012

....homophobic. If you choose to read it that way, unfortunately that's your problem, not mine.

earcandle

(3,622 posts)
59. Read Dr. Albert Bandura's article on Moral Disengagement practices. I assert the practice is cause
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:52 PM
Dec 2012

Moral Disengagement has been on the map for discussion since 2002.

When are we going to have this conversation publicly? And build policy that requires tax revenue
to bring rehab into the picture and avoid French revolutionary tactics toward those who are in the in-group
by those thrown into an out-group by unemployment and injustices that cannot be resolved for human beings who act
individually for the masses and kill themselves in the process of statements they are trying to make from their graves
which includes victims of the perceived in-groups?

Must read to understand what is really happening in our country from the man who gave us the BOBO Doll experiement.
Dr. Albert Bandura from Stanford.

http://www.stanford.edu/~kcarmel/CC_BehavChange_Course/readings/Additional%20Resources/Bandura/bandura_moraldisengagement.pdf

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
62. A-FUCKING-MEN!
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:57 PM
Dec 2012

If this isn't the tragedy that finally propels this gun-loving country to finally do something about guns, then I really don't know what will.

Twenty babies, all dead. Six adults, all dead.

Is it still going to be same shit, different day, much as it has become as it concerns gun violence and any kind of discussion about guns?

Will we cry and wring our hands, and feel bad for everyone concerned for a day, or a week, or a month -- as we did after Columbine, Virginia Tech, Batman, and whatever other mass shooting du jour over the past 20-some years -- or will we dare to go beyond the rhetoric and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING??

Wayne LaPierre and the NRA may own most of Congress. But ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Will the United States finally get the message NOW?????

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
97. Part of the reason for the national epidemic is their push in every state to liberalize gun laws.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:21 PM
Dec 2012

So all of this is legal, until someone gets killed. And then the mantra is, 'that's just the way it is.'

 

Vietnameravet

(1,085 posts)
68. Actually i heard where this is not the worst case of gun violence in the US so..
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:24 PM
Dec 2012

so I expect the NRA will give this time time to blow over and then it will be business as usual..and watch and see..bet you anything they will attack Obama saying he wants to make political points over taking gun rights away.. Best defense being a good offense

History says that is the way it will work out..bet you anything that nothing is done...but if 20 sons and daughters of congressmen were killed..well then it would be a different story.. but money rules and the NRA has it and the parents of these kids dont..

Care Acutely

(1,370 posts)
69. He should have to help clean the bodies. He should be forced to read all their little papers
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:33 PM
Dec 2012

learning the alphabet, vocabulary words, Christmas lists for Santa . . .

Fuck the gun-humping NRA anti-sanity brigade that enabled this tragedy, and would happily let the carnage continue as long as they can keep playing with their bang-bang toys at will.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
73. I Really Don't Think He Cares Much... Nor
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:37 PM
Dec 2012

do I think so many Congressmen/women have the cohones to address this issue EVEN NOW!

This is almost an every day happening and simply OUTRAGEOUS! WHEN WILL this country WAKE up. Probably only when it happens to them. And even then they may not "get it!"

Even though there could be a risk, I try to do my shopping on line. But there are so many places you can't avoid. Lock my doors and become a recluse, we are no longer safe!

Botany

(70,582 posts)
77. you know that all day the NRA has been in meetings on how to "manage this situation"
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:42 PM
Dec 2012

I can't but I know if you went to the NRA web site you would see all kinds of
shit about Freedom and Liberty but what about our 1st amendment right
to life and liberty?

BTW I would be in favor of a national movement to drop off shovels in front
of the NRA so they can go help and dig the graves.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
90. They're not commenting until all the facts are in.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:18 PM
Dec 2012

What MORE facts do they need????

They need to own their part in creating this mindless gun culture that we have. No way around it.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
80. Nothing like Hypocrites.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:45 PM
Dec 2012

think George Carlin had this one in the bag. Protection in the womb... but ones your out. your fucked. Usually they want live babies to grow up to be dead soldiers. Seriously they support a party that is severely pro abortion as long as it's not in the USA

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
88. Our current laws . . .
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:13 PM
Dec 2012

Our current laws regarding gun ownership are far too slanted in favor of open access to the most powerful small arms known. We must tilt that slant much more in favor of the innocent victims. And we must not forget that you and I may be among the ones murdered next time an insane outcast easily gets his hands on all the guns and ammo he could ever wish for.

The American people can shut the NRA and its lobbyists down any time they finally choose to act.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
96. Wayne is busy bathing in the blood of children.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:11 PM
Dec 2012

He'll be happy to bury the latest child sacrifices when he's done soaking.

Thank you.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
99. Wayne LaPierre and Grover are in the same boat....
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:40 PM
Dec 2012

They are a remnant of the past.

Or,...as they say,..."Sooooo last century."

cecilfirefox

(784 posts)
104. I feel the same way sometimes. Is it really necessary for a handgun to shoot 33 rounds without going
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:59 PM
Dec 2012

empty?

There has to be a constitutionally viable and reasonable way to have laws that encourage more gun safety in our culture.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
105. My mom says Wayne LaPierre would have a different view of guns...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:09 PM
Dec 2012

if it'd been him instead of those innocent little children, on the receiving end of those bullets he defends so much.

 

dpgillam

(6 posts)
108. So no one has seen the "new" info?
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:01 AM
Dec 2012

That it was the 20 year old son with personality disorder and autism, under heavy medication?
And that there are metal detectorts and tons of security measures normally in place to prevent this type of tragedy, but none were in used because it was the mentally ill son?

CNN was reporting this as of 6PM, Eastern Time

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
114. Did you see the news about his access to guns? His mother had knives, too, AND a car, but oddly, he
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:50 AM
Dec 2012

CHOSE TO USE HER GUNS.

_ed_

(1,734 posts)
123. Anything to defend the gun manufacturers, eh?
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:17 AM
Dec 2012

Why didn't the mentally ill shooter use a baseball bat or a club? Do you think the easy access to guns made a difference today?

Do you feel good about yourself regurgitating NRA talking points?

BallardWA

(97 posts)
109. My son wanted to go to the midnight showing of "The Hobbit" last night -
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:06 AM
Dec 2012

he's 16. His friends were going. My husband jokingly said "those midnight shows are lethal, dude". In actuality, snow was in the forecast and neither of us wanted to pick him up at 3AM.
We are on the West coast, so we got the news of these murders quite early.
When will we learn? What will it take? We seamlessly included mass murder into our argument last night.
We are so ashamed.

The Wizard

(12,548 posts)
116. Wayne LaPierre
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:13 AM
Dec 2012

could benefit from a good beating. And the country would be better off after said beating.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
126. Yea
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:09 AM
Dec 2012

....but unfortunately, those that can make that happen are unlikely to do so. They think that any gun discussion has to be in gungeon land. I disagree.

spanone

(135,876 posts)
129. where is wayne? he should be out there defending his organization.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:31 AM
Dec 2012

i imagine he's laying low and staying out of the limelight.

probably sending out mailers for new prospective members.

fuck wayne.

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saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
144. Are we ready to tackle the NRA?
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:58 PM
Dec 2012

I'm a small hand gun owner. I did not purchase the weapon, it was a gift from my deceased father. He demanded proof on his home shooting range that I could shoot straight and true. He also knew that I had never owned a gun. I could not, would not hurt another living being; humans, deers, rabbits, squirrels, quails, or turkeys.

So why did he gift me with a weapon? I like to think it was because he knew me, heart and soul.

My father was a lifetime member of the NRA. He would be ashamed of what their lobbyists have become. Is there a political will to shut down these bat shit crazy libertarians who practice irresponsible ownership, and turn a blind eye to guarding against fire arms violence on our children?

 

pepper.spray

(4 posts)
155. what's wayne's home adress
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:28 AM
Dec 2012

I'll get on f*xnews and mention it - then wayne can sweat a few days before he's put out to pasture

 

lusthog

(2 posts)
158. Don't let your mouth write the check your ass can't cash
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:03 AM
Dec 2012

"before he's put out to pasture"


You talk the talk.........do you walk the walk?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
153. What if liability insuranse was compulsory for every semi-automatic weapon with a license issued.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:32 PM
Dec 2012

The license would also include an evaluation yearly along with liability on each weapon. It might not stop all the violence but might exclude some from keeping weapons.

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