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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(10,847 posts)
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:44 AM Mar 2025

Deep red tiny NV town is in shock. ENTIRELY 100% dependent on national park that just lost 20% of staff in Elon's purge

https://www.sfgate.com/national-parks/article/tiny-nevada-town-shock-national-park-loses-staff-20195067.php

This tiny Nevada town is in shock after Great Basin National Park lost 20% of its staff
Just 41 people live in this town that's entirely dependent on the national park


Baker is a tiny town in Nevada with a population of 41. It’s the last stop on America’s loneliest road, before entering Utah, and the gateway to Great Basin National Park, Nevada’s only national park. Surrounded by a sea of public land in the high desert, Baker’s reputation far exceeds its stature. It’s well-known fGreat Basin National Park lost five people on its small staff, the Nevada Current reported last week. That’s 20% of the park’s staff, said Liz Woolsey, who owns and runs the Stargazer Inn and the Bristlecone General Store in Baker with her husband.

It’s still the off-season for folks who live in Baker. Even so, the aftershocks of the firings at Great Basin National Park are reverberating in the small community.

“We’re still in shock, and the waves are rippling from every decision being made, it seems, daily or hourly,” Woolsey said.or its friendly business owners, food trucks and star-filled night sky.

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In Baker, local businesses are utterly dependent on tourism to the national park. The Stargazer Inn has seven rooms, Woolsey said. The general store stocks food, supplies and outdoor gear, but it’s also a bookstore and sells local art.

“We are certainly just trying to figure out what’s at stake here,” Woolsey said. “If we don’t get tourism, people, travelers here, that’s definitely going to negatively impact our business.”

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https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/nevada/baker

The political climate in Baker, NV is strongly conservative.

White Pine County, NV is very conservative. In White Pine County, NV 19.7% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 77.9% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 2.4% voted Independent.

In the last Presidential election, White Pine county remained overwhelmingly Republican, 77.9% to 19.7%.
White Pine county voted Republican in every Presidential election since 2000.


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Deep red tiny NV town is in shock. ENTIRELY 100% dependent on national park that just lost 20% of staff in Elon's purge (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 2025 OP
Leopards. Faces. Girard442 Mar 2025 #1
I've heard the FE Leopards are taking a pass on this... It's like hunting jackrabbits. Hugin Mar 2025 #7
A new course is being offered in veterinary schools: Ocelot II Mar 2025 #78
lol omg.. Cha Mar 2025 #104
TOO MANY FACES! The leopards are outsourcing this to other Carnivora Felidae. TheBlackAdder Mar 2025 #16
and marmots. defacto7 Mar 2025 #52
FAFO Wifes husband Mar 2025 #2
Reserved for any MAGAot I run into: DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #83
FAFO SheltieLover Mar 2025 #3
They're going to make $$ from the MotownPgh Mar 2025 #4
Yes the town will make more money destroying the park. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #6
Sadly, you are probably correct bluestarone Mar 2025 #22
MAGAs love destroying things. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #25
Oh, for sure. Try to get in their heads -- search to understand them and how they, and we, allegorical oracle Mar 2025 #87
Trump goes for the dark underbelly of human nature. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #89
Temporarily they will. Glaisne Mar 2025 #49
Exactly. But some of them will have gotten rich. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #69
For a little while, Linda ladeewolf Mar 2025 #66
Great Basin Desert IbogaProject Mar 2025 #71
Camping, fishing, hunting, hiking. Lots of repubs/magas love our parks! CrispyQ Mar 2025 #21
Until it's gone... druidity33 Mar 2025 #70
Gods Will bottomofthehill Mar 2025 #5
Does anyone know why they all voted Republican? yardwork Mar 2025 #8
I'd bet Libertarian western Cowboy American exceptionalism underpants Mar 2025 #32
It's the air, I think. Joinfortmill Mar 2025 #43
They all listen to right wing Glaisne Mar 2025 #51
"Teh EEEEEVIL FEDS r gunna . . . . oh, wait, wut?" hatrack Mar 2025 #9
cool, another place to boycott Blues Heron Mar 2025 #10
The hotel/end in the town just has seven rooms for guests. Not much trafic to that nat'l park I guess. brush Mar 2025 #11
Most people might be staying in their RVs. LisaL Mar 2025 #18
It's primarily a hardcore camping/hiking park Arazi Mar 2025 #24
I've been there - it's incredibly remote (they don't even charge admission) hatrack Mar 2025 #33
Oh well.. Cherrycheeks Mar 2025 #12
They should call the White House ASAP. dalton99a Mar 2025 #13
They are finding out LisaL Mar 2025 #14
no sympathy for this fing idiots samsingh Mar 2025 #15
We camped in Great Basin National Park the first month livetohike Mar 2025 #17
My condolences to the 19.7%. GoCubsGo Mar 2025 #19
The only good thing about this chaos is the basic MAGAt temperament. It's been my empirical allegorical oracle Mar 2025 #20
You think they're nasty now. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2025 #29
They all go on about how tough they are... BrianTheEVGuy Mar 2025 #37
Maybe, but they're the dumbest people on the planet so ecstatic Mar 2025 #57
100% chance Cosmocat Mar 2025 #108
Tots and pears. Raftergirl Mar 2025 #23
That's how a lot of their grandparents started. haele Mar 2025 #77
Welp ... that happened. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #26
Welcome to Blowback, NV C_U_L8R Mar 2025 #27
Am I supposed to feel pity for them? MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2025 #28
I have zero compassion for them...zero Dem4life1970 Mar 2025 #30
Cry me a fucking river bif Mar 2025 #31
Must be oil and or gas to frack there. gab13by13 Mar 2025 #34
They need to look on the bright side! BrianTheEVGuy Mar 2025 #35
All of rural Nevada relies on federal government money. SweetieD Mar 2025 #36
My Nevada story BrianTheEVGuy Mar 2025 #38
The GOP has always wanted to open up all public land Glaisne Mar 2025 #58
In the sentiment of Melania.. dreamland Mar 2025 #39
FAFO Joinfortmill Mar 2025 #40
No sympathy mgardener Mar 2025 #41
Calling it Elons Purge is wrong. It belongs to trump and his republican enablers. bullimiami Mar 2025 #42
Elon is the president. gab13by13 Mar 2025 #44
+1. Trump is a mere puppet. dalton99a Mar 2025 #48
Right! Blame belongs on tRump, Elon and the elected repubs ecstatic Mar 2025 #59
I feel bad, because I'm sure they voted overwhelmingly for Harris. Orrex Mar 2025 #45
Elections have consequences, assholes. Aristus Mar 2025 #46
Serves you right, White Pine County, NV. Paladin Mar 2025 #47
You stupid hateful fucks you got what you voted for. SamKnause Mar 2025 #50
And this is probably just the first round of cuts. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2025 #53
Oh well. Shit happens when you applaud shit. NNadir Mar 2025 #54
Hahahahahahaha FUUUUUCCCKKKK YOU, tiny NV town! OrlandoDem2 Mar 2025 #55
Awww. Bless their heart. They're getting what they voted for. ecstatic Mar 2025 #56
I'll say it again... the_liberal_grandpa Mar 2025 #60
Eff around Rebl2 Mar 2025 #61
These threads are similar to the ones on Twitter iemanja Mar 2025 #62
Oh, they'll vote for us now Pototan Mar 2025 #64
It's not wise to take that for granted iemanja Mar 2025 #65
Well, sad to say that if the MAGA crowd wants to double down on stupidity Dan Mar 2025 #88
Well then, fuck them Pototan Mar 2025 #98
.01% at best will vote D Cosmocat Mar 2025 #109
There is a difference between wanting their votes and knowing we'll never get them DFW Mar 2025 #91
How do you know what they are saying? iemanja Mar 2025 #96
I'm not writing anybody off DFW Mar 2025 #99
No, most of them will NOT liberalhistorian Mar 2025 #95
I'm smiling Pototan Mar 2025 #63
FAFO COL Mustard Mar 2025 #67
There will be thousands of little stories like this. But we won't move the needle until the enormous effects of attacks Martin68 Mar 2025 #68
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes Pacifist Patriot Mar 2025 #72
They'll find a way to blame Democrats for it. DJ Synikus Makisimus Mar 2025 #73
They should keep on the way they have been. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2025 #74
As Ye Sow elliesmandt Mar 2025 #75
They won't be hurting for long. Drill baby Drill... Dig baby Dig SkylineChili Mar 2025 #76
sad for the workers though AllaN01Bear Mar 2025 #79
I'm sorry for the firings, but isn't this what you voted for? ... aggiesal Mar 2025 #80
Well, they are getting exactly what Bettie Mar 2025 #81
Trump intends on Figarosmom Mar 2025 #82
Oh well angrychair Mar 2025 #84
The best feature of the park is Latham Cave Thunderbeast Mar 2025 #85
I hope Vegas tourism goes into the toilet, too. Raftergirl Mar 2025 #86
Do Not Know They are Dependent on Government erpowers Mar 2025 #90
I have absolutely no more liberalhistorian Mar 2025 #92
It's all well and good to damn them for the predicament we're getting into, but the fact is allegorical oracle Mar 2025 #100
Hate to be an asshole ma'am BeyondGeography Mar 2025 #93
Welcome to the live and learn class. republianmushroom Mar 2025 #94
Great Basin VGNonly Mar 2025 #97
I have no sympathy for them kimbutgar Mar 2025 #101
Like all stupid MAGAts, they'll meekly go along with this Hassler Mar 2025 #102
"Conservative".. Balderdash! It's Code for Cha Mar 2025 #103
As a decent human being, I know I shouldn't be laughing, but OMG. ROFLMAO mucholderthandirt Mar 2025 #105
Interesting. Honestly, it seems like many towns (even far larger than this one) Mike 03 Mar 2025 #106
The power of the Magic R convinces people to shoot themselves in the foot Emile Mar 2025 #107

Hugin

(36,642 posts)
7. I've heard the FE Leopards are taking a pass on this... It's like hunting jackrabbits.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:52 AM
Mar 2025

Not worth the trouble.

Ocelot II

(126,104 posts)
78. A new course is being offered in veterinary schools:
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:15 PM
Mar 2025

The treatment of obesity in leopards.

TheBlackAdder

(29,593 posts)
16. TOO MANY FACES! The leopards are outsourcing this to other Carnivora Felidae.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:09 AM
Mar 2025

Bobcats, Cougars, Lynxes and Florida Jaguars are stepping up to the plate to relieve the burden.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
83. Reserved for any MAGAot I run into:
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:34 PM
Mar 2025

Especially those complaining: HEY YOU GREW IT, YOU CHEW IT..........................

MotownPgh

(455 posts)
4. They're going to make $$ from the
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:48 AM
Mar 2025

loggers and miners and others coming in to take the resources out of the park.

Irish_Dem

(72,560 posts)
25. MAGAs love destroying things.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:26 AM
Mar 2025

And especially when they can make money from their destruction.

allegorical oracle

(5,392 posts)
87. Oh, for sure. Try to get in their heads -- search to understand them and how they, and we,
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:48 PM
Mar 2025

got where to we're at.

Believe they see themselves as "held back" or muzzled by libtards -- rules, laws, teachers, politicians -- who forced them to accept the notion of a polite society that treated everyone with dignity (now known as DEI, apparently). They've long resented the hell out of being kept from freely expressing their bigotry and/or restrictive religious views.

Then djt came along. Suddenly, they felt free. Here was this filthy-mouthed bully -- a rich TV celeb -- who had a resentment chip on his shoulder as big as theirs. He became their political Messiah.

Irish_Dem

(72,560 posts)
89. Trump goes for the dark underbelly of human nature.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:52 PM
Mar 2025

People who cannot make it in the real world, so they need to blame others for their own failures.
And act out their hatred, racism, sexism.

Glaisne

(588 posts)
49. Temporarily they will.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:59 AM
Mar 2025

After everything has been extracted they'll be left with the polluted and devastated landscape, just the way MAGA likes it. It's what they voted for.

Linda ladeewolf

(973 posts)
66. For a little while,
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:35 PM
Mar 2025

They’d better start planting lots of trees, different kinds to replace what’s going to be gone.

CrispyQ

(40,001 posts)
21. Camping, fishing, hunting, hiking. Lots of repubs/magas love our parks!
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:17 AM
Mar 2025

I tried to warn a cousin back in 2016 that repubs were coming for our public lands & he said "Oh no. Those are protected."

bottomofthehill

(9,216 posts)
5. Gods Will
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 10:49 AM
Mar 2025

Just go find another way to make a living. Maybe Elon will find rare earth minerals and you can take up mining.

underpants

(191,559 posts)
32. I'd bet Libertarian western Cowboy American exceptionalism
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:33 AM
Mar 2025

Get the gubment outa my business! Hold it! THATS MY BUSINESS!!!

Glaisne

(588 posts)
51. They all listen to right wing
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:02 PM
Mar 2025

propaganda hate, anti-government talk radio and "Christian Radio" because it's the only radio stations they receive clearly.

Blues Heron

(7,183 posts)
10. cool, another place to boycott
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:00 AM
Mar 2025

Maybe if they lose a lot of business they can start to think about the wisdom of voting for straight up international vandals. These dumb pukes dont know anything though, that why this is such a surprise for them, but not us.

brush

(60,645 posts)
11. The hotel/end in the town just has seven rooms for guests. Not much trafic to that nat'l park I guess.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:03 AM
Mar 2025

Arazi

(8,178 posts)
24. It's primarily a hardcore camping/hiking park
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:26 AM
Mar 2025

Those folks aren’t staying at a hotel

hatrack

(63,052 posts)
33. I've been there - it's incredibly remote (they don't even charge admission)
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:33 AM
Mar 2025

Also incredibly beautiful. Long drive, but worth it!

LisaL

(47,280 posts)
14. They are finding out
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:09 AM
Mar 2025

how it feels to know they voted themselves out of a job. And it's not like they can easily find a new job in that tiny little town they live in. I guess they could have to go on government's assistance now? Oh, wait... that will be gone too.

livetohike

(23,542 posts)
17. We camped in Great Basin National Park the first month
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:09 AM
Mar 2025

it was opened in the mid 1980’s. We got stuck on a road in the back country ( did not have 4 wheel drive) and cell phones were not a thing yet.

We hiked 15 miles to get help with our two Lab/Shepherd mixes. Made it to Baker where the gas station owner drove my husband back to the truck and pulled it out. He did not want paid and even invited us to dinner at his house. We left $40 under a potted plant on his porch.

Politics never entered the conversation. Just one human being helping another.

GoCubsGo

(34,088 posts)
19. My condolences to the 19.7%.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:17 AM
Mar 2025

The rest can lie in the beds they made for themselves, including those "Independents" and non-voters.

allegorical oracle

(5,392 posts)
20. The only good thing about this chaos is the basic MAGAt temperament. It's been my empirical
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:17 AM
Mar 2025

observation, as I'm surrounded by them, that they don't cope well with inconvenience. They have the shortest fuses in the world and will cuss out anybody near them.

Made a rare visit to Walmart a few weeks ago. It wasn't possible to check out because cash register computers had crashed. One self-serve register was open, with a long line of folks in red hats. The woman who bagged my items looked at me and I saw she was near tears. Asked her if she was okay, and she replied, "I've been called every name in the book, today -- like we did this on purpose."

Trumpsters are not going to tolerate their loss of services with grace. A price will be paid.

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
37. They all go on about how tough they are...
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:39 AM
Mar 2025

… and yet the mildest slowdown in modern conveniences throws them into a blind rage.

Wait until conveniences become inaccessible luxuries. They’ll learn what true toughness is, and how little of it they actually have.

ecstatic

(34,861 posts)
57. Maybe, but they're the dumbest people on the planet so
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:12 PM
Mar 2025

there's a chance the magasses will blame Democrats for what republicans and tRump are doing.

Raftergirl

(1,677 posts)
23. Tots and pears.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:26 AM
Mar 2025

They can go be migrant workers and pick crops that will be rotting in the fields now that the immigrant migrant workers are gone.

haele

(14,409 posts)
77. That's how a lot of their grandparents started.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:14 PM
Mar 2025

Poor hardscrabble farmers, tavern/store owners who couldn't compete back east or in Midwest towns, and itinerant miners.

Found a source of water, settled down near roads and railroads on homestead deeds, and tried to make a go of it in shacks or sod or adobe houses.
Most of them couldn't make it through winter on their own, no matter how clever they were. If disease and exposure didn't get them, starvation drove them back into town to work as skivvies or to hire on as hands.

The Wild West (which was circa 1870 - 1900) wasn't filled with lone gunslingers riding aimlessly around searching for a meaning to their lives or old miners living in caves with a pack mule and a dog working his claim.
It was filled with dead bodies and company towns built to make some robber Barron on the coasts or in big cities like Chicago or Kansas City lots of money off near indentured servitude.
On edit -
After the 1900's with more irrigation, reliable roads and more rail commerce, you started seeing homesteaders being able to settle and start larger ranching operations or build businesses near way stations to support those ranches and more remote resources extraction - and later, tourism - but you still don't find a lot of lone libertarian cowboy types - or families - able to survive on their own without a larger support infrastructure (as in a rich patron or the Federal or State Government) within a day's wagon trip. It wasn't until the 1920's and paved highways that these "individualists" were actually able to make it on their own.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,864 posts)
28. Am I supposed to feel pity for them?
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:29 AM
Mar 2025

Sorry, but I'm all out of fucks to give, they are now reaping what they helped sow.

Dem4life1970

(938 posts)
30. I have zero compassion for them...zero
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:32 AM
Mar 2025

They voted for this. They are getting what they wanted, even if they were too stupid to realize it. Enjoy.

gab13by13

(28,895 posts)
34. Must be oil and or gas to frack there.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:33 AM
Mar 2025

Those 41 residents can drive frac water trucks to dump into a big holding pit.

Have your well water tested regularly.

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
35. They need to look on the bright side!
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:37 AM
Mar 2025

Sure, they’ve lost everything, their town will be destroyed and they’ll be broke and homeless, but at least trans people are being abused by the federal government! That’s a net win right?!

SweetieD

(1,673 posts)
36. All of rural Nevada relies on federal government money.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:38 AM
Mar 2025

I live in Nevada. I'm pretty sure I read that BLM (bureau of land management) is the largest property owner in the State of Nevada. Without federal funding most of these counties other than washoe, Carson city, and clark county would totally fold. There is no real industry.

Yet every election these people in rural counties vote overwhelmingly for Republicans. Our current governer is a trumper.

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
38. My Nevada story
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:42 AM
Mar 2025

As a young man in his early 20s about 20 years ago, I moved from the east coast to California. I packed up my entire life in to my little Hyundai hatchback and drive from NJ to California.

Nevada was like another universe. When I crossed the state line I stopped in at a welcome center and a woman desperately implored me to gamble at the local casino, which was basically a gas station with some slot machines. I was stunned at the abject poverty I saw in all the little towns on the way. It felt like a hybrid of Martian landscapes and rural Appalachian poverty.

Glaisne

(588 posts)
58. The GOP has always wanted to open up all public land
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:16 PM
Mar 2025

to resource extraction. They say BLM land should be given to the states to manage, which of course would basically be given away to corporate interests.The Republicans make it sound like the locals will make a lot of money (a few will I suppose), but most of the money will go to non-locals who will come in and do the work with the companies making a killing. The locals are left with the waste and the pollution. It's happened many times before.

mgardener

(2,102 posts)
41. No sympathy
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 11:42 AM
Mar 2025

They would not have cared if the firings happened to others.

They only care cause it happened to them.

ecstatic

(34,861 posts)
59. Right! Blame belongs on tRump, Elon and the elected repubs
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:17 PM
Mar 2025

who refuse to put tRump and Elon in check.

The last thing we should do is let some of the responsible parties like tRump and republicans get a pass on this. They are all complicit!

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,720 posts)
53. And this is probably just the first round of cuts.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:05 PM
Mar 2025

They're really going to love it when the trickle-down effects of TFG's budget comes around for four straight years.

I've watched republicans pull this crap for decades:
* Pick a government function, property or benefit you want to eliminate and profit from.
* Lie like graveyard dogs to get elected, then start defunding said government function.
* After that public benefit starts to falter and citizens get pissed, go on Faux Snooze and say "see, we told you it was no good and needs to be sold off to private enterprise".
* Pad your pockets and those of your billionaire supporters with the proceeds.
* Right-wing extremist job done!

Tough shit, yaw'll. Get ready to become a mining camp.......

iemanja

(56,292 posts)
62. These threads are similar to the ones on Twitter
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:24 PM
Mar 2025

where MAGAs celebrate stripping jobs away from federal workers. Both show an absence of compassion.

Jobless Trump voters are ideally poised to vote for Democrats in the next election. But rather than seeing an opportunity to actually win over voters, people here are working diligently to further alienate those voters and ensure Democrats are permanently shut out of power. Obviously, this isn't just about 14 voters in NV; there are dozens of threads in which people respond the exact same way to those who have lost their jobs. There will be tens of thousands, if not more, Republican voters losing their jobs. My question is why don't you want their votes?

Pototan

(2,744 posts)
64. Oh, they'll vote for us now
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:32 PM
Mar 2025

and we'll take them. But in the meantime, they have to learn the hard way.

Herbert Hoover beat Al smith in a landslide in 1928.

In 1932 Hoover and the Republicans got devastated in the election of 1932 by FDR and the Democrats. Some people learn the hard way, but they learn on their own.

iemanja

(56,292 posts)
65. It's not wise to take that for granted
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:33 PM
Mar 2025

and if those voters' experience with Democrats is to be confronted with taunting over the loss of jobs, they may well resent the party too much to vote for them.

Dan

(4,834 posts)
88. Well, sad to say that if the MAGA crowd wants to double down on stupidity
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:50 PM
Mar 2025

Then I support their right to be stupid.

I just don’t care and as far as them deciding to vote Democratic, if the GOP inflicts enough pain on them, they’ll see the light. And if not, then they can enjoy the pain and I will continue to laugh at them.

Pototan

(2,744 posts)
98. Well then, fuck them
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 02:39 PM
Mar 2025

If that's what they want, to lose their jobs, to live with high prices and a poor economy. If they choose to give up their Democracy, I don't think I can convince them.

If a federal employee voted for Trump after knowing everything about him, but figured others would suffer, not them. And that person loses his or her job in a humiliating fashion. If that person then, after struggling for 4 years, votes for JD Vance, convincing that person is hopeless.

In the meantime, I'm sorry, I am getting quite a bit of satisfaction watching the Leopards enjoying their meals.

Cosmocat

(15,208 posts)
109. .01% at best will vote D
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 09:02 AM
Mar 2025

They have been so completely programmed to hate the D, that is all they know.

Whatever consequences they suffer, they will find a way to make it about the D if at all possible, and even if they can't come election time the Rs will be screaming about some ancilarry reality based issue they will deem much more important than their own self interests.

Been doing this the entirety of my life ...

DFW

(58,518 posts)
91. There is a difference between wanting their votes and knowing we'll never get them
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:58 PM
Mar 2025

If all you watch is Fox and all you listen to is National Hate Radio, these people will stand in front of a Republican firing squad and, in their dying breath, curse the Democrats for putting them there.

It is one thing to beseech them to vote Democratic and offer them help. But when they say “no thanks, we’d rather starve,” and then blame us for the lack of food, compassion becomes a commodity in short supply. We are up against opposition of a nature FDR never had to contend with.

iemanja

(56,292 posts)
96. How do you know what they are saying?
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 02:34 PM
Mar 2025

You are assuming. There are voters who have chosen Obama and Biden in the past, yet you want to write them off too.

DFW

(58,518 posts)
99. I'm not writing anybody off
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 03:30 PM
Mar 2025

However, I am not going to wait for Godot, either.

Leaving your door open with a welcome mat out is not the same as persuading people to walk through it, especially if they have loudly expressed no desire to do so. Sure, they’ll come running when there’s no more work, no more food, no more shelter and no more medical care, but if we reach that point, it will be too late, because we won’t be in a position to offer it to them, either.

I’m not accusing Republican voters of biting the hand that is offering to feed them. But ignoring that hand is their option, and it will not feed them any more than the other option—and they will blame us for their hunger in either case.

liberalhistorian

(20,889 posts)
95. No, most of them will NOT
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 02:30 PM
Mar 2025

vote for Dems! I know plenty of them, have family and friends in my home state of Ohio, and have lived in South Dakota, including under the Regime of Noem, before finally fleeing to Minnesota. They will continue to twist themselves into pretzels to find ways to blame Dems, no matter what happens or how much they suffer. They will continue to vote against their own interests and continue to denigrate the only party that's provided all the benefits and policies they've relied on for decades, the only party that's keeps on fighting for them.

I'm all out of fucks to give anymore. I am TIRED of taking the fucking high road, of "going high when they go low". You see where that's gotten us! No, enough is enough!

Martin68

(26,191 posts)
68. There will be thousands of little stories like this. But we won't move the needle until the enormous effects of attacks
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:51 PM
Mar 2025

on Medicaid and Social Security start to take kick in. For example, Paul Krugman points out that more people in West Virginia work in hospitals funded by Medicaid than in coal mines. Eventually there will be a trickle up effect that will create a major movement against MAGA and Trump/Musk/Vance.

DJ Synikus Makisimus

(1,077 posts)
73. They'll find a way to blame Democrats for it.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:05 PM
Mar 2025

Folks here tend to think that MAGAts use our logic to analyze their predicament. They don't. if they did, they wouldn't be MAGAts. They turn on NewsMax to find out who to blame.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,052 posts)
74. They should keep on the way they have been.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:07 PM
Mar 2025

Why would you abandon a strategy that is clearly working so well for them?

SkylineChili

(59 posts)
76. They won't be hurting for long. Drill baby Drill... Dig baby Dig
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:13 PM
Mar 2025

It won't stay empty for long. The area has gypsum, metatyuyamunite, a uranium-vanadium mineral, oil and gas reserves along with, according to a quick search, geo thermal potential, grazing and farming opportunities, and suitability for military testing.

They will be busy and prosperous under privatization.

I think it is doubtful they will ever vote Democratic no matter how bad their situation. The brainwashing is generational, and is now baked solidly into their DNA for many MAGAs. Whatever tragedy befalls them, they blame the left. I lived in deep red land for many years and have many childhood friends who, no matter how much they are hurting, who would never, ever vote Democratic or admit Republican policies and actions are destroying their future and the future of democracy. They will always blame the left for everything, even when the evidence to the contrary is right in front of them. Christo-fascism, the prosperity Gospel, a twisted view of what Christ actually taught, combined a feeling that white, straight, Christians are the marginalized and the desire to align with a leader they perceive to be "powerful" is a toxic and difficult combination to address. Winning them over is a nice thought, but not sure it's possible. They like the strong man image, and are proud that Trump "stood up" to Zelenskyy as a Peace Maker, as one friend posted on FB. They admire Putin for the same reason--he's a strong man. It makes no sense to me that they equate patriotism with Russian Oligarchy, but they do. I've given up trying to figure them out long ago.

But yes, I have no F's to give for the people of Big Basin Nevada. Rather, I cry for the Park and the resources and beauty that will be despoiled.

aggiesal

(10,188 posts)
80. I'm sorry for the firings, but isn't this what you voted for? ...
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:21 PM
Mar 2025

I mean, we tried to tell you this was going to happen and you decided you wanted to own the libs.
How did that work out?

Bettie

(18,596 posts)
81. Well, they are getting exactly what
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:25 PM
Mar 2025

they voted for.

So, they're celebrating right? No? Oh, they wanted harm to come to OTHER people, but not them.

Too bad, so sad. Make better choices.

Figarosmom

(7,051 posts)
82. Trump intends on
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:30 PM
Mar 2025

Starting to lunber mill in our National parks just so we don't import lumber. So this little Republican town has another " FO" coming.

angrychair

(10,900 posts)
84. Oh well
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:36 PM
Mar 2025

I hope they drown in their suffering and everyone goes bankrupt and the town no longer exist.
I'm all out of sympathy.

Thunderbeast

(3,666 posts)
85. The best feature of the park is Latham Cave
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:40 PM
Mar 2025

Great Basin has a spectacular underground trail with several cave rooms, stellagtites, stellagmites, and other gorgeous features.

Go there!

Raftergirl

(1,677 posts)
86. I hope Vegas tourism goes into the toilet, too.
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:45 PM
Mar 2025

That will put a real hurt on the whole state’s economy. .

erpowers

(9,425 posts)
90. Do Not Know They are Dependent on Government
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 01:53 PM
Mar 2025

There are so many anti-government people who do not know how dependent they are on government. There are a number of ruby red states that are very dependent on government. Many diehard Republicans have businesses that are either dependent on government, or would not exist without the government. Yeah, FAFO is about to hit a large number of people, but it has been hitting them for years, but no one told them. I guess now they are realizing they are getting hit

liberalhistorian

(20,889 posts)
92. I have absolutely no more
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 02:22 PM
Mar 2025

fucks to give and ZERO sympathy for these people anymore! I don't want to hear their bullshit about being "lied to" anymore, either. They weren't lied to at all, they simply chose to ignore years of warnings as well as direct actions and statements from the Orange Menace himself. And all to "own the libs". FUCK THEM ALL!

allegorical oracle

(5,392 posts)
100. It's all well and good to damn them for the predicament we're getting into, but the fact is
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 04:11 PM
Mar 2025

that when there are layoffs, agencies closing, VA services dwindling, possible cuts to Medicaid and SS, or another pandemic, many of us will be on the same sinking ship with them. Planning for the future in such unpredictable times is onerous.

BeyondGeography

(40,552 posts)
93. Hate to be an asshole ma'am
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 02:25 PM
Mar 2025

but your boy Trump would say it sounds like you don’t have any cards to play.

VGNonly

(8,199 posts)
97. Great Basin
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 02:35 PM
Mar 2025

has the only glacier in Nevada (albeit very small). Climate change will eliminate it shortly.

Hassler

(4,458 posts)
102. Like all stupid MAGAts, they'll meekly go along with this
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 02:57 AM
Mar 2025

And convince themselves that Scump is going to do something something about the border and red tape and tariffs. Even though they have no idea what exactly. And do they really want tourists disrupting their idyllic existence?

Cha

(313,116 posts)
103. "Conservative".. Balderdash! It's Code for
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 03:41 AM
Mar 2025

Fascist Fucked UP Cult That gets bossed around by a Rapist, Felon Treasonous Asshole.

Sorry about your National Park Adjacent jobs.. Storm the fucking WH

Mike 03

(18,583 posts)
106. Interesting. Honestly, it seems like many towns (even far larger than this one)
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 07:31 AM
Mar 2025

could be badly impacted. A few, off the top of my head (more questions than really assertions on my part):

Vernal, UT
Estes Park, CO
Jackson, WY (although it is now famous for another reason)
Areas around Gettysburg and certain Civil War battlefields, maybe?
Town really close to Smokey National Park

Maybe a good time to get my hands on an atlas of National Park system.

Emile

(36,032 posts)
107. The power of the Magic R convinces people to shoot themselves in the foot
Mon Mar 3, 2025, 07:39 AM
Mar 2025

to entertain the wealthy.

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