Just saw a popular person on Bluesky say Democrats have to give us a reason to vote for them

[Eliot Rosewater]

Are you out of your fucking mind, how about voting for Democrats is voting against fascism and murder and death and economic disaster and worldwide chaos

If you need more than that then fuck off



Having said that I am angry at many things they are doing or not doing myself but the idea that you would ever not vote for any and all Democrats in a 2 party system where the other party is the Nazi party, MADNESS

[SheltieLover]

1. Average people voting for rethugs has always mystified me, as the R party has never done a single thing for the working

class people.

Take some deep breaths, Elliot. Don't let them destroy your health.

[hlthe2b]

2. Beyond idiocy. But damn if we don't need to take advantage of all this Fascist regime is doing

in our messaging. I've seen almost NOTHING. Honestly, I guess we are all supposed to back Chuck S. 100%, but I'd be curious to know if there is an alternative consensus choice who most here think WOULD fight back in an effective and strategic vocal manner. Schumer cozying up to Trump is the last straw for me. What damned optics does THAT send? Especially after Trump calls him a Palestinian and says he's "no Jew." Could there be a better example of his coming under subjugation?

[msongs]

3. so what is the "popular person" person's name did u say? nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

22. Here

https://bsky.app/profile/cwebbonline.com

The Democratic Party’s popularity just hit an all-time low per NBC News—and that’s before @schumer.senate.gov shit the bed.

We can’t bank on a midterm advantage. Folks are furious at Trump, but also at Dems for lacking fight.

Dems need to give us something to vote for. Schumer can’t lead.

— Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline.com) 2025-03-16T20:58:33.182Z

[madville]

35. Never heard of them

Their opinion doesn’t carry any weight with 99.99% of voters

[Eliot Rosewater]

37. Comments like that are all over the goddamn social media world

And it’s getting worse and it’s going to be a problem.

Blue sky is a very popular liberal site and this guy has thousands and thousands of followers just on that one site and he’s not the only one saying lots of them are.

[AllyCat]

4. And yet, no such demand is made on republicans.

Got it. I’m not happy with most of the democrats right now but sheesh, that street definitely goes both ways.

[PatSeg]

81. Exactly, this is insanity

The expectations for Democrats has always been unrealistic and no matter what they do, they get kicked in the teeth. But republicans just have to show up, if that, and they can do whatever they want with few or no repercussions.

I am so sick of this. What the hell do Democrats have to do to get through to voters who really aren't paying much attention in the first place?

[harumph]

5. I had a friend say that to me. I said, well they're not perfect, but at least the Democrats won't KILL YOU.

and followed up with "Is that enough to vote for them?" She replied that I was exaggerating - this was before the election.
Some people can't see the train coming when they're facing it on the tracks.

[Big Blue Marble]

6. This person is not the enemy; they are the messenger.

The Democrats needs a more effective message this crisis. And they definitely need to show
more leadership in the resistance to this onslaught.

At the time we need the party to be strong, they are floundering:

CNN Poll: Democratic Party’s favorability drops to a record low
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/16/politics/cnn-poll-democrats/index.html

[LeftInTX]

33. That person is running a group called the "Reformers"

[Big Blue Marble]

40. Are you saying that everything in this party is firing on all cylinders?

Today two polls were released with the lowest numbers of approval for Democracts
in modern history. Only half on of the base is supporting the Institution. Maybe the party
needs some reformation.

[LeftInTX]

41. They're the same group that got rid of Joe Biden.

If you feel the reformation of getting rid of Biden was the "magic bullet" raise your hand!

How long ago was that?

[Eliot Rosewater]

82. Makes you wonder who's really behind all this garbage

We’ve probably completely lost our democracy forever anyway but if for some slight chance we didn’t we will with the attitude these people are presenting about better give us something to vote for, oh my God I fucking can’t believe it!

Reminds me of the nose holding fuckers who talked people out of voting for Hillary

[Egwinsi]

7. Makes sense

Voting FOR Democrats rather than voting against Republicans.

A lot of people said they voted for Kamala because they didn't want Trump, which was honestly a good enough reason for me. People were also turned off by her saying she would keep Biden's status quo, not realizing that was actually a really good status quo.

But it's something to think about when a lot of people vote for a candidate with their main issue being "It's not the other guy"

[travelingthrulife]

60. The media thanks you for buying into their 'both sides the same' propaganda.

[Egwinsi]

62. That couldn't be farther from the truth

Obviously both sides are drastically different. But obviously it's insufficient to simply say "Vote for Democrats because they're not Republicans."

[UpInArms]

8. The reason is given to them every single day

Republicans are nazis

[LearnedHand]

10. How does Dem capitulation to the CR look like a reason to vote for them?

To a non-voter or a wavering Republican I mean.

[UpInArms]

29. The hostage was the

Democratic Party … if the government were to shut down, the democrats would have been blamed …

This way, the only thing to blame is the poor leadership of the republicans

[LearnedHand]

9. You don't have to agree to actually listen to other viewpoints

People on DU tend to be loyal to the point of not seeing flaws and opportunities for improvement. WE understand voting for Dems is supposed to hold off fascism, and they are currently not even doing that, but we're deeply loyal insiders. It behooves us to understand why there are LOTS of people wanting the Dems to give a reason to vote for them.

[Eliot Rosewater]

23. S I G H

[Progressive dog]

11. Not a surorise

but it makes me sick. Anyone who doesn't get that voting for someone who will end your right to vote is about as stupid as one can be.

[iemanja]

12. Democrats need to stand up to fascism

rather than voting for it. You suggest we earn votes by doing nothing to resist Trump. It doesn't work that way.

The good thing is that a majority of Democrats did stand up to Trump on the CR. The problem is when the leadership ensures the bill passes, the entire party is deemed ineffective.

Then we have the collaboration by some members of the Democratic rank and file who celebrate Trump's attack on the First Amendment and increasing authoritarianism through deportation of a green card holder and its assault on universities. They ally themselves with authoritarianism because they don't like the content of the speech that the targets engage in, ignoring the fact that the First Amendment exists to protect not just speech we agree with but speech we find reprehensible. This is all the worse because it's a prong in Trump's efforts to abolish freedom of thought and consolidate authoritarian rule.

[Eliot Rosewater]

24. S I G H

I see some people still don’t get it, anything other than voting for any Democrat in any race is helping actual fascist Nazis take over.

It’s not fucking complicated, you vote in every election you vote only for Democrats while you also work to influence them to your thinking, but to not vote for every Democrat in every election is so fucking stupid and irresponsible I can’t even fucking stand it

[iemanja]

26. Do you want to win or not?

If so, Democrats need to earn votes. The current trajectory is a recipe for loss. If you're content with the 2024 electorate, then proceed. You, however, are doing nothing to convince people to vote Democratic.

[Celerity]

30. +1

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. BINGO!!

[Abolishinist]

47. The problem with some Dems being that if in order to win an election we are forced to 'alienate'

48 people who we should, according to some, be supporting, then we are bigots and deserve to lose, even if doing so makes those 48 people plus 75 million other Dems ultimately worse off.

[iemanja]

54. What 48 people?

Sorry, I’m a bit slow off the mark. I think I see your point now.

[Abolishinist]

64. No, I understand, I picked a random

number out of the air. The overall message being that going overboard to appease everyone, especially when even the majority of Dems are up in the air about certain things, is a good way to win the battle and lose the war. Which makes things worse for everyone.

[ZRB]

74. I suppose you think they should go even further to the left

Despite the electorate just utterly rejecting them after four of the most progressive years of governance in modern history. People paying attention noticed that Biden's four years were amazingly progressive, especially given the 50-50 Senate in 21-23. The people saw that and said, "no thanks." Once again, progressives appear to have never met the actual Americans comprising the electorate. It isn't all downtown Seattle out there, sadly...

[iemanja]

85. It's not about left or right

I’ve already made my point. Is about standing up to fascism. You don’t want them to do that, then that’s enabling Trump’s authoritarianism. I didn’t vote for Trump, and I don’t want the Democratic leadership voting for him either.

Save your stereotypes for someone else.

[Emile]

67. I'm afraid the centrists in the party who feel like we

must vote for them because how bad the alternative would be, is a losing platform.

Hopefully the 10 will quit voting with Republicans and our party unite before the next election.

[Eliot Rosewater]

68. And that attitude is how we lost 2016 and maybe even 2024

[Emile]

77. Well then, they need to stop voting with Republicans.

[TransitJohn]

75. Democrats aren't entitled to votes

They have to earn them.

[LeftInTX]

36. This guy has started a group...It's the same type of group like "Pass the Torch"

The same group that got rid of Joe Biden.

Their whole goal is to upend and throw out the Democratic Party. We already did that this summer. Getting rid of Joe wasn't enough for them. It will not end until the party is over and done.

I thought getting rid of Joe was supposed to solve the problem?? Funny......now it's Chuck and then, who is next??

[iemanja]

39. The guy is irrelevant

The point is the threat of fascism is real, and Democrats have a responsibility to stand up to it. Voters would seem to agree.
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20146644

[LeftInTX]

42. PACS are powerful! They want to "pass the torch"...They're strategists. It's not talk.

They want to purge the party and want everyone to sign up.

Did getting rid of Biden make the party more popular?????? Or did it make the party less popular???

I never heard that the party was more unpopular than dog shiit until 2025....

They are the same group that got rid of Biden...So, they will keep purging people and purging people until there is no party left.

I'm sorry, we went through this less than a year ago. It was supposed to be the "magic bullet"....

[iemanja]

53. Your points have nothing to do with what I said

You are having a conversation in your head, and it doesn’t involve me. You ignore the point about fascism— which is the central issue of our time.

[LeftInTX]

55. How is changing Democratic leadership gonna get rid of fascism???

They said that having Kamala on the ballot would prevent it!

How is not passing a CR resolution gonna prevent fascism??

The only way to get rid of fascism is by going to war against it. And by that I mean real war. Staging coups etc..... Getting foreign armies to take on Trump etc.

[iemanja]

87. Democrats need to fight

And Schumer isn’t up for the task. He also violated the wishes of the great majority of Senators. He refused to represent them or the Democratic electorate.

Gaining ground in 2026 means we need to present a viable opposition to Trump, not go along with everything he wants, as you suggest.

[LeftInTX]

56. These did not work against facism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_resistance_to_Nazism

The German resistance to Nazism (German: Widerstand gegen den Nationalsozialismus) included unarmed and armed opposition and disobedience to the Nazi regime by various movements, groups and individuals by various means, from attempts to assassinate Adolf Hitler or to overthrow his regime, defection to the enemies of the Third Reich and sabotage against the German Army and the apparatus of repression and attempts to organize armed struggle, to open protests, rescue of persecuted persons, dissidence and "everyday resistance".[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

Antifaschistische Aktion (German: [ˌantifaˈʃɪstɪʃə ʔakˈtsi̯oːn]) was a militant anti-fascist organisation in the Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933. It was primarily active as a KPD campaign during the July 1932 German federal election and the November 1932 German federal election and was described by the KPD as a "red united front under the leadership of the only anti-fascist party, the KPD."[1]

In the postwar era, the historical organisation inspired new groups and networks, known as the wider antifa movement, many of which use the aesthetics of Antifaschistische Aktion, especially the antifa moniker and a modified version of its logo. During the Cold War, Antifaschistische Aktion had a dual legacy in East Germany and West Germany, respectively. In East Germany, it was considered part of the history and heritage of the KPD's successor, the Socialist Unity Party of Germany. In West Germany, its aesthetics and name were embraced by Maoists and later autonomists from the 1970s.

If these militant options didn't work how is some political group gonna get rid of fascism????

I'm pretty sure pushing Joe off the ballot had the GOP behind it. I think "reforming" the Democratic Party likely has the backing of the GOP....They will be the winners, not us. Nobody wants to see the Democratic "deform" more than the GOP.....I'm sure they are laughing at us...

[iemanja]

86. So might as well go along with it?

Fascism required the German public to accept Hitler’s actions. That seems to be working out well for Trump as well.

The GOP wanted Biden on the ballot. He was an easy target. He never would have won.

[Maru Kitteh]

70. + + + +

[ancianita]

13. Don't pay them any mind. They fail to make their case when Democrats have been the party of good governance & sanity.

Democrats are not what they are called. They are only what they answer to.

You can't seriously entertain anyone else's ignorant claims. Tell the well known person to go read something.

[Autumn]

14. Some people may not want to vote for a party that they "think" is willing to with Nazis.

The Dems have been warning what a danger the republicans and Trump are for the last 8 years. Now the Dems have helped the republicans confirm some of the most every vile ,unqualified, cretins he has chosen to head up and destroy important government agencies.

Perhaps they woulds like to vote for a party that is willing to go B**ls to the wall to fight Nazis and not other Democrats.

I agree not voting is stupid but not every Democrat is "vote blue no matter who"
.

[Shipwack]

15. "Perfect is the enemy of good." nt

[Celerity]

27. That is the stance that many progressive bashers take. Their 'perfect' is no progressives elected, not even in deep Blue

places. That outcome is their 'purity test' (another of their favourite attempted slag-off memes they use against progs).

You see multiple members (and ex members) of the Problem Solvers and the Blue Dogs take these sort of oppositional stances (to one degree or another), as well as ultra rich donors and RW funded (whether to a large degree or fully) orgs/PACs that dip into Dem primaries and then generals to try and kneecap progs.

[Lancero]

16. "If you don't vote Democratic, Republicans will win!"

It's quite apparent just how true this is. The proof is in the pudding, and the most recent serving is when our Democratic Senators - Following their counterparts in Congress - stood firmly against Presidents Trump and Musk.

Simply put, we got exactly what we voted for.

[NoMoreRepugs]

17. I'm poking myself in the eye with this sharp stick rather than vote Democratic

cuz , well, you just aren’t exactly perfect.

About sums it up - right?

[Eliot Rosewater]

25. Yes Hillary Clinton wouldn't promise me Medicare for All

So I told everybody that would listen to me they shouldn’t even bother to vote at all because there was no difference between her and Trump

[UTUSN]

18. K&R

[BOSSHOG]

19. I often employ left handed logic in such conversations

For 50 years republicans have given me ample reason not to vote for them. My decision was very easy to make. Vote (D). Oh yeah, the deep thinkers could opine about the faults of the Dems and the mistake in voting for them. If I chose the lesser of two evils as defined by someone else I made the best decision for me and my country.

[alarimer]

20. Under normal circumstances, I would say they're right.

But these are not normal circumstances. Democrats do need to make the case. Right now it seems like the easiest case in the world to make.

[patphil]

21. Actually, Republicans are giving us a whole lot of reasons to vote Democratic.

Anyone who can't see that is surely blind.
It's ironic, Republicans vote as a unit, regardless of the quality of their candidates, while we Democrats can't pull together, even with the nation falling down around our ears.
That's why we lose.

[stoned]

28. *A lot* of people in my acquaintence and friends and family

circles are beginning to move this direction as well.

[SDANation]

31. It's hard to see but

People want to be inspired to think bigger and better. If it’s the same old corporate dems being trotted out every cycle they will continue to lose. Need to differentiate from MAGA. Trump won again because they hate the status quo. People want change. A positive change. It’s why I personally feel the party needs to go more left and forget the middle.

[LeftInTX]

34. That person is with a group of strategists called "The Reformers"...Ya..know like "Pass the Torch", "Dump Joe Biden"

Probably morphing themselves into a PAC, they just want to purge Democrats.

Been there, done that...remember last summer??? Wasn't dumping Joe going to be the solution???
But it wasn't. Now there are more people to dump....

[LeftInTX]

46. Their first goal is to kick out Schumer. Of course that won't be magic, then they will go after others.

I've been involved with groups before, but never, "kicking people out" groups.

You know in 2017, we didn't have all these people trying to undo the party. We were all very cohesive in blocking Trump. We didn't bash the party, we bashed Trump. Schumer was minority leader, we didn't bash him. Pelosi was minority leader, we didn't bash her. We didn't blame them for everything that was wrong with the world.

[Celerity]

48. wanting Schumer to step down as Minority Leader is hardly limited to that group, it is stance a massive amount of

Dem voters by now are at least entertaining (myself and many other DUers included).

The Reformers also were not the originator of the idea.

I think there is far too little information out there about them and what they will do to make a truly informed judgment about them atm.

I remain open-minded.

[LeftInTX]

49. Well I'm so tired of the party bashing itself, that I'm gonna bash the bashers.

It's a bunch of fighting, but I really don't want to be part of nothing but fighting and that seems that is all that is happening lately is fighting.

[Celerity]

51. It is not bashing the party, it is a call for strategic changes. To frame it as 'bashing the Party' you are throwing

a tonne of good and well-intentioned Democrats, elected and otherwise, under a 'they are bad Dems and/or worse' bus.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

61. I wonder how many

anonymous MAGAts/Republicans are included in that group.

[Meowmee]

38. They are narcissists of the worst kind

Plenty follow along with them. Plenty of very dumb people also.

My reason to vote is I always did the right thing to stop fascism- I don’t whine. I don’t complain. I don’t say I don’t have my perfect candidate, I don’t threaten not to vote.

I just fucking vote for D ! VOTING AGAINST FASCISM- THAT IS ENOUGH REASON.

The fact that some people won’t do that is why we are here now living under the tyranny of an insane person who murdered millions of Americans, AGAIN- and this time it is doubtful we will turn it around.

[Mountainguy]

43. He's being constructive

He's not saying he isn't going to vote for Democrats. He's saying Democrats have to be active in this political ecosystem and change the way they are being seen.

To be an opposition we need to do some opposing.

[LeftInTX]

45. They're a PAC. Their goal is to get rid of Schumer. Just like they got rid of Biden. It's supposed to be "magic"

[Mountainguy]

52. That doesnt make him wrong

Schumers tenure as leader hasn't been great for Democrats. I think its very reasonable to ask if he is the right person to lead us into 2026.

[LeftInTX]

57. They wanna redo the Democratic party. Schumer was minority leader when Trump was president previously.

I think the GOP is likely behind it. They want to see Democrats in disarray more than anything.

Watch...these guys will get their way and it will only get worse. I guarantee it.

[betsuni]

58. It will only get worse, absolutely.

Similar to PACs like BrandNewCongress/Our Revolution/Justice Democrats, trying to redo the Democratic Party -- .

[SSJVegeta]

50. I will vote for the Democrats who are fighting fascism.

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I will actively campaign against ANYbody who supports or tolerates fascism in any form.

[SocialDemocrat61]

59. It's a popular catchphrase for GreenMagats

who've set the bar so high, that they'll never vote for a Democrat. They assume that voting is all about them and nothing else. I see voting as a responsibility to my fellow people to do what is best for the country.

[Torchlight]

63. I suppose entertainment value is the end result of the commercialism of politics.

Showmanship, charisma, lighting, blocking, and wardrobe seem to have become as prioritized as policy and platform.

The Pet Rock never disappointed anyone who bought it for the packaging.

[orange you glad....]

65. Who is this person? Why not name them?

And as for your statement, I can understand being worried about how that will bode for Dems in the future (like Midterms) but do you honestly think it's healthy to never look at possible weaknesses or past mistakes within the party? That seems like a recipe for disaster. Not sure why you're reacting so strongly to it.

[GP6971]

66. Why would ask a such a question??

[uponit7771]

69. ***HE'S CORRECT!!!*** For non tuned in people give them something to vote **FOR**

For tuned in people we don't need to much convincing but people who aren't hurting enough right now (keyword enough) any political party needs more than "..we're not them.." to oust the opposition party.

Sanders message should be adopted by all Dems right now, that's the best we got

[Mariana]

71. What did you say to that person on Bluesky?

Are you out of your fucking mind, how about voting for Democrats is voting against fascism and murder and death and economic disaster and worldwide chaos

If you need more than that then fuck off

If this is a quote of your response to that person, Bravo!

[Eliot Rosewater]

73. That is now what I said on BS but pretty sure I said it somewhere...

On BS I responded:

" Democrats have to give you a reason to vote for them? I can't believe this shit..."

Trying To find who said that in response to this person I can't find it, but I swear to God I thought I wrote that exact thing somewhere but I don't see it on blue sky ... I guess not

Thanks for following up on BS

[Maeve]

72. I don't belong to an organized political party; I'm a Democrat--Will Rogers

Seriously, the in-fighting is almost as bad as what tsf is doing to us. Today I started noticing both the hatred of Schumer and #never AOC---pull it together, people! Fight the Nazis, not each other!!!

Or as Pogo said, "We have met the enemy and he is us"

[Akakoji]

76. Absolutely correct

As do Republicans or anyone running for office. Understanding how to connect with voters is still a huge problem. Sure, every single GOO member is a liar and parasite. So why does anyone vote for them? They fool people into thinking they care about them. Dems actually do. We just don’t know how to communicate that well.

[LisaM]

78. Why is the bar always higher for Democrats?

Republicans do nothing that gives anyone with sense a reason to vote for them, but Democrats have to somehow woo voters with...what? The reasons are self evident.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

79. Because Republicans vote.

Regardless of the entertainment value of their candidates, regardless of the weather on voting day, they vote.

Dems seem to need motivation. To identify with the candidates, to have personal involvement with the issues. To have good weather.

It's been that way for a long time.

[Nanjeanne]

80. Well if he's a popular person, many probably agree with him/her.

[Jedi Guy]

83. I think I get what they're saying, sort of.

Just saying "I'm not Trump" isn't going to move the people who need moving. It's a statement of what one is not and what one will not do. That doesn't inspire or motivate. To inspire or motivate, one must offer a vision and plan of what one is and will do. Define oneself on a positive rather than a negative.

The Average Joe and Jane aren't keyed into politics like we here on DU are. They awaken from their political coma every couple years for midterms (maybe) or every four years for presidential elections (more likely), but for the most part, politics to them is an annoying background hum that they mostly ignore. Given the vast impact politics has on every aspect of life these days, that's a silly position to take... but that doesn't stop millions of Americans from taking it.

The trick is to cut through that annoying background hum to inspire, motivate, and activate those voters, and I just don't think "we're not Trump" is going to do the trick.

To be clear, this is not a criticism of HRC or Harris or anyone else. This is a broader assessment of how we need to communicate with a large slice of the electorate that is generally disengaged from politics, and I think that's what this person on BlueSky was getting at. Or at least, that's how I'm interpreting it. Your mileage may vary.

[republianmushroom]

84. The next 3 1/2 years, believe that will be reason enough