How would you like to be a US military pilot flying a classfied mission,

[Irish_Dem]

a dangerous mission taking place over enemy territory.

Dangerous under the best of circumstances.

You are responsible for completing the mission and making sure you safely
bring home the entire flight crew.

You then learn that the Secretary of Defense, and other people in the Pentagon,
have leaked all the particulars of the mission ahead of time.
The time, place, aircraft, etc.

Putting you and your crew in grave danger.

Even if you are lucky enough to make it home in one piece,
it is possible your identity and the crew's identity will be discovered as well.
Putting you in more danger.

If your own government doesn't have your back when you risk your life, you are screwed.
How long will Air Force and Navy pilots fly missions under these circumstances?

[Turbineguy]

1. National security is for Libtards.

[Ninga]

2. Calling my representatives about exactly this

breach and that Hegseth must go.

[C_U_L8R]

3. And are yucking it up with emojis

These dangerous unofficial Signal accounts ought to be seized or subpoenaed and brought out into the light for public scrutiny. If these dopes had any brains they’d resign now because it is going to get much worse for them.

[erronis]

4. How about you are sent out on a mission that ends up being on one of our allies?

What if trump decides that some country neighboring the ex-USSR is "unfriendly"?

How about if the US forces are told to target a certain place in the US because it didn't bend its knee?

[Irish_Dem]

6. The military prohibition against killing American civilians is so great,

I do not know if Air Force or Navy pilots will bomb Americans on American soil.

The same with long time American allies.

I think some military flight crews will resign before they do this.

[Justice matters.]

30. Not if they are endoctrinated maga voters who believe the Fascists

lies and the fauxnews scare-mongering propaganda.

[Irish_Dem]

31. I really do not know.

Not killing American civilians is so deeply ingrained in the US military.

If the MAGA military does it, it is game over.
We are totally lost and have become a true Russian colony.

[DENVERPOPS]

32. The truth is ID

that we have no idea how deeply they have infiltrated the MAGAot TrumpHumpers into the Military.........And/Or, the National Guard, State police, local police. And also the FBI, ATF, DOJ, etc etc etc.....

[Justice matters.]

34. Having FOX NEWS (no news, almost only scare-mongering propaganda) on 24/7

in military bases since three decades has done a big disservice to the armed forces.

[DENVERPOPS]

36. No shit

I have literally been screaming about that for at least two decades!

Psychiatrists have concluded that watching FOX news and/or listening to RW Radio for years, as the only source is in fact:
BRAINWASHING...................

Viewing the Trumphumping CULT, documents their opinion..........

[DENVERPOPS]

56. HEY JM

Have you read Heather Cox Richardson March 22 post????????

Trump started throwing out all the top end officers from the military on Friday night..............If you can't get it somewhere, yell and I will send it to you.

I read Her first thing every morning, even before the weather, DU, Huff Post etc.....

She sends it out via email, with no fee or cost I believe.

She has been a well known and brilliant historian forever. She points out past history in reference to what she is telling us presently.

I haven't seen it anywhere, including DU, where they are talking about this huge purge..........

[Irish_Dem]

35. I have the same thoughts. It is looking worse with each passing day.

What we are seeing on the surface is telling us the infiltration is much deeper and wider than
we ever fathomed. And goes to the highest levels.

[Bluethroughu]

39. I remember reading an article around 2021 after Biden took office

And he had a serious memo to weed out these sleeper Nazis in our military, because it had been infiltrated by white supremacists for decades, but this included our police forces.

1/6 was a culmination of that power in government agencies. All these people were not held accountable for attacking our government, and now the orange anus is back stoking the fire to burn the government down.

[Irish_Dem]

45. Yes.

It was shocking to see how many state and federal employees were a part of J6.
Foot soldiers, and planners, funders.

And then we see recently how the DC police, FBI, US marshals are only too happy to
help the DOGE kid hackers literally break into agencies, some of them private.
This is a crime.

[Bluethroughu]

47. It is what keeps me up at night.

If we are able to wrangle power away from these traitors, accountability is the only path forward in this country, for everyone participating in illegal actions against the people of our country and allies.

[Irish_Dem]

48. Our history is to let them off the hook.

Then they go back to their rat holes and come back even stronger.

[Bluethroughu]

49. Yes...sigh.

[Irish_Dem]

50. The iconic human battle: good vs evil.

It is a constant.

We lucked out. We had relative peace since the end of WWII.
We took it for granted.

Now we are back to reality.

[Cheezoholic]

8. That second scenario is a biggie

That creates a constitutional crisis of the military kind.

[usaf-vet]

11. The protection for military members who refuse to obey an unlawful order is found under Article 92 of the Uniform .....

...... Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

Examples of Unlawful Orders
Orders to kill civilians
Orders to torture prisoners
Orders that violate the Constitution or international law

[DENVERPOPS]

33. Seems that

The Code of Military Justice went out the window during the regime of Cheney/Rumsfeld/Etc.............including their Orders to kill civilians, orders to torture prisoners, and orders that violate the constitution or international laws.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

53. Vast majority of assume orders have been vetted by higher ups

And by the time it gets to them, it's been cleared so there is little reason to assume it's illegal. It would need to be blatantly illegal or they would need to have knowledge of it to be illegal for most to risk a Article 92. Like orders to "go kill every man woman and child in that town" blatant. Most soldiers aren't legal scholars, they don't know international law, what treaties we are part of, etc. That's for the higher ups to worry about. The soldiers in the trenches care about doing their duty and surviving. You get orders, you carry them out. If they're blatantly illegal you refuse. If you know they are illegal, you refuse. If you aren't sure, then 9/10 times they will just assume the order made it through the chain of command without challenge so it's probably legal.

[surfered]

5. Hegseth may be a decorated infantryman, but he's an idiot.

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If he’d done this as a platoon leader in Iraq, he would have gotten his men killed and he’s the effin’ Secretary of Defense? God help us.

[Irish_Dem]

7. Any military person who did this would be immediately placed under arrest.

And looking at prison.

[MLWR]

9. He told his military of "suckers and losers" last time around

that they knew what they signed up for. I would advise any young person these days to not enlist until Commander in Chief Krasnov and his merry band of idiots, imbeciles and morons are history.

[Irish_Dem]

10. The goal is to degrade the US military, the finest fighting force in the world.

Who will want to join the US military now?

[Dr. T]

12. We need to use the word "woke"

in place of "stupid" and "incompetent" when referring to MAGAt idiocy. Maybe that will get the right wing nut job base attention.

[ShazzieB]

18. Why would we want to do that?

I don't see what purpose that would serve.

Woke is the antithesis of MAGA. If someone is woke, that means they are aware of what's going on. Calling them woke would be a lie, and a very confusing one at that.

[Dr. T]

20. I was thinking it would

confuse the crap out of them. They have turned a nobil word into a word with negative connotations in their sphere. So, if they see it as a negative, then we throw it back at them. Hence, the confusion. It would be like calling them tree-huggers. I've never actually seen a conservative's head explode, but I'm trying.

[ShazzieB]

22. I'm sure it would confuse them, but it would confuse everyone else, too.

That last part could be counterproductive.

[Dr. T]

23. Good point, ShazzieB.

To quote someone I don't remember, "50% of my ideas are pure genius. The other 50% are pure shit."

[Bluethroughu]

41. Yes, someone needs to be woke...

When you have drunk fascist idiots behind the wheel.

[paleotn]

13. And that's what happens when you appoint someone so unqualified it's comical.

A TV talking head with enough military experience to be an extra in the Nat. Guard scene in the movie First Blood.

Hegseth is about as qualified to lead a latrine detail as these bozos. But who would have guessed one of those bozos would end up as Sec Def?

&ab_channel=VeeXXL

[ShazzieB]

19. Not just unqualified, although he certainly is that.

He is seriously impaired by long term, ongoing substance abuse. Someone in that condition should never be allowed to make life and death decisions.

What a travesty!

[Skittles]

28. I honestly do not understand how he could possibly pass a background check

WTF

[Meowmee]

14. Good question

I think it has been estimated that about half of the military are psycho supporters or Maga, I wonder how they feel about all of that.

[Irish_Dem]

15. The mind tends to get focused when people are getting you killed.

Some MAGAs will wake the hell up under these circumstances,
others will gladly go to their death for dear leader Trump.

[Sneederbunk]

16. If you are a MAGA pilot, you don't complain.

[Bo Zarts]

17. I flew T/S Crypto missions in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia in 1970-71

If I had so much as breathed info regarding our missions, I would have been tried and convicted by court martial and sent to the prison at Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas, where I'd probably still be busting up rocks with a sledge hammer.

Had I divulged classified materials while under the influence of beverage alcohol, my fellow pilots would have most likely made sure I never made it to a court martial.

[Irish_Dem]

24. I am not sure civilians fully understand the points we are making.

What you were doing sounds dangerous.

I am only an USAF kid, my father flew combat in three wars.
We were stationed overseas during the Viet Nam war, the men flying
back and forth to Viet Nam from USAF bases in the far east.

So I am quite far from actual combat conditions.

But I understand the extreme importance of never discussing classified military
missions. Our fathers never said one word about where they were going,
what the were doing, when they would return.

Never said one word when they returned about what they did, etc.

Sometimes the kids could put two and two together and get four.
But we kept our mouths shut too. We would never discuss it.

It is well known that loose lips sinks ships. There were posters on base
saying this. When we were young, we would ask our parents what this meant.
Our parents were frank about what it meant. We understood some of the Dads
never came home. Keep your mouth shut to keep your dads alive.

Anything said can get people killed. It is literally life and death.
So military children know more than our current American DOD leadership.

My mind cannot fathom the idea of a military officer or NCO
leaking classified combat information about specific missions before they happen.
To put themselves and members of their team in grave danger.
Yes they would be arrested or killed.

[Skittles]

29. THANK YOU

WTF s going on, how did that Hegseth moron even pass a background check???

[Bo Zarts]

44. Things have changed since you and I took that oath of service and sacrifice ..

But then, none of them knows a damn thing about service or sacrifice. We are so very screwn now!

[Skittles]

52. it just shocks me

very scary times indeed

[raccoon]

21. Trump and his ilk don't concern themselves about the lives

Of our service members.

But you’re right.

[Prairie Gates]

25. If the Houthis capture a pilot, they are not keeping them prisoner or exchanging them

Ask the French pilots what ISIS did with them and you'll get a sense of it.

This group chat was profoundly reckless.

[Irish_Dem]

27. Yes I understand. I have a story:

My USAF dad was flying back and forth to Viet Nam during the war.
We were overseas.

One day he was ready to go to the flight line to fly out on TDY to DaNang.
I was shocked to see a gun in a holster on a belt around his waist over his flight suit.
I asked him what it was, he said in case his plane got shot down, all the men had been
issued a gun. To fight off the enemy.

People in the USAF didn't carry guns. Except the MPs.

I was a young teen, and I could clearly see that the gun was fairly small.
It would not defend against anyone. And I knew the air crews most likely
could not hit the broad side of a barn and had been given no lessons.

And in an instant I understood what the gun was really for.

I said nothing, everything was classified and we didn't talk about things like this.

Yes the release of classified war plans is beyond irresponsible.

[Blue Owl]

26. The tRump Gold Standard of National Security

[Dem4life1234]

37. Then they wonder why we fucking hate them

They always attack the Left for every non issue yet perfectly coddle their liars and thugs.

This admin needs to go.

[Irish_Dem]

40. Yes the TrumpPutin Crime Syndicate gets a pass on all their horrendous crimes.

Dems get thrown in the dungeon for sneezing.

Yes hate is describing my feelings for the rapists, traitors, felons.
Who sold out our country for cash and revenge.

[Bluethroughu]

38. It's almost as if they are part of an Espinoage plot

Working with another entity without care of the American people or soldiers serving in our military...Everyone of those people beside the reporter should be looking at charges of Treason, and fired immediately.

[Irish_Dem]

42. The Trump crime syndicate works for themselves and our enemies.

[Bluethroughu]

43. He makes that clear every day...it is disgusting

That the people in his administration are just as bad.

[Irish_Dem]

46. Yes it is really a crime syndicate. Full of criminals.

[live love laugh]

51. This needs wider attention. Can I share it?

[eppur_se_muova]

54. Not to mention Special Forces being flown in to land behind the lines. Imagine if ...

Pakistani intelligence had known about the Bin Laden raid in advance. SUCH a good thing that happened under a REAL President !

[Irish_Dem]

55. And CIA and military intelligence.

All ambushed by Trump and pals.

[ecstatic]

57. Who's left to advocate for military personnel now?

The Secretary of Defense doesn't give AF.

I'd be very concerned if I were enlisted right now.

[Irish_Dem]

58. Everyone has been fired. Top brass, IGs, etc.

That is why I am speaking up.

I am just an old Air Force brat.
Least I can do is help in way I can.