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spanone

(138,944 posts)
Wed May 7, 2025, 11:50 PM Wednesday

Sen. John Fetterman raises alarms with outburst at meeting with union officials, AP sources say

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Democratic Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania was meeting last week with representatives from a teachers union in his home state when things quickly devolved.

Before long, Fetterman began repeating himself, shouting and questioning why “everybody is mad at me,” “why does everyone hate me, what did I ever do” and slamming his hands on a desk, according to one person who was briefed on what occurred.

As the meeting deteriorated, a staff member moved to end it and ushered the visitors into the hallway, where she broke down crying. The staffer was comforted by the teachers who were themselves rattled by Fetterman’s behavior, according to a second person who was briefed separately on the meeting.

The interaction at Fetterman’s Washington office, described to The Associated Press by the two people who spoke about it on the condition of anonymity, came the day before New York Magazine published a story in which former staff and political advisers to Fetterman aired concerns about the senator’s mental health.

https://apnews.com/article/john-fetterman-trump-democrats-senate-pennsylvania-8129e206ed9479ad8534eac3fd128abe

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Sen. John Fetterman raises alarms with outburst at meeting with union officials, AP sources say (Original Post) spanone Wednesday OP
Sorry to hear that. Silent Type Wednesday #1
Something ain't right here.... newdeal2 Wednesday #2
I know.. it's really sad... But the Nation needs All Cha Yesterday #23
Should Fetterman step down, Shapiro would tap another Democrat misanthrope 14 hrs ago #52
I'm sad for Fetterman, frankly. mzmolly Yesterday #3
I'm starting to sound like a broken record JBTaurus83 Yesterday #4
Deplorable comment krkaufman Yesterday #18
nope NoRethugFriends Yesterday #24
Agree. MorbidButterflyTat 13 hrs ago #55
The man had a stroke and is acting irrationally. Swede Yesterday #40
Regardless of language used, acting irrationally still means he can't do the job. tinrobot 18 hrs ago #47
Yes, he must step down or be removed from his position. Swede 16 hrs ago #48
a deplorable comment, indeed, but... Trueblue Texan 23 hrs ago #42
Someone needs to intervene NOW. sheshe2 Yesterday #5
The video of him arguing with a pilot about using his seatbelt on an Nixie Yesterday #8
I saw that as well and I agree that he was lucky there. sheshe2 Yesterday #11
Oh I hadn't read about that, Nixie.. Mahalo. Cha Yesterday #26
Hi Cha! I hadn't seen that article yet. Thx for that. I was seeing Nixie Yesterday #41
Well, Thank You for telling us about Cha 21 hrs ago #43
Yes, it is sad.. and I'm sorry this is Cha Yesterday #25
He needs to be forced out JustAnotherGen Yesterday #29
What if she's right? MorbidButterflyTat 14 hrs ago #54
Sounds like a guy with depression. Good days and bad days. thebigidea Yesterday #6
Depression and possibly more. Ilsa Yesterday #12
Maybe bipolar? fujiyamasan Yesterday #21
I was thinking perhaps Bi-polar, too.. Cha Yesterday #27
His remaining staff members can't cover up for him forever. LudwigPastorius Yesterday #7
We made excuses for him b/c we needed the vote but it was obvious several years ago... nt Blasphemer Yesterday #9
Hmmm...didn't he have a stroke about mwmisses4289 Yesterday #10
Maybe there is some area in his brain that is Ilsa Yesterday #13
Stroke was before the election. krkaufman Yesterday #19
My dad had a massive stroke JustAnotherGen Yesterday #31
Good lord he needs to step down róisín_dubh Yesterday #14
I find it odd that cnn had an entire panel discussing this( F's mental state etc.) Meowmee Yesterday #15
Great point JBTaurus83 Yesterday #16
Yeah, there is something off here. Quiet Em Yesterday #17
I would find it much more bizarre if markodochartaigh Yesterday #20
I guess you missed my point/sarcasm 😹 Meowmee Yesterday #22
I know... It freaking Sucks. Whatever happened Cha Yesterday #28
I never liked the hoodie wearing senator Bread and Circuses Yesterday #30
Many people tried to warn everyone. I didn't expect THIS particular scenario or outcome * Oopsie Daisy Yesterday #32
I suffered a stroke recently BeerBarrelPolka Yesterday #33
He raised alarms ages ago malaise Yesterday #34
Right BeerBarrelPolka Yesterday #36
His politics haven't changed but it's clear he's personally struggling. He needs to go. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #35
How sad. People close to him must have seen this coming. Hopefully he will resign willingly. nt Exp Yesterday #37
Senator Fetterman needs help Uncle Joe Yesterday #38
You can't get away with that shit unless you're the president. milestogo Yesterday #39
The staffer was comforted by the teachers senseandsensibility 20 hrs ago #44
Strokes can certainly affect one's personality depending on where stroke occurred in the brain. BigDemVoter 19 hrs ago #45
No one ever wants to get out of the way. Xolodno 18 hrs ago #46
Oh. Iggo 16 hrs ago #49
He's not the same person he was before his stroke. ananda 16 hrs ago #50
It sounds like it is time... kentuck 16 hrs ago #51
So where are all the staffers, etc. MorbidButterflyTat 14 hrs ago #53
I hope this gets under control soon JanMichael 7 hrs ago #56

newdeal2

(2,466 posts)
2. Something ain't right here....
Wed May 7, 2025, 11:58 PM
Wednesday

Ultimately I just hope we don't get screwed out of a Dem Senator.

Cha

(310,397 posts)
23. I know.. it's really sad... But the Nation needs All
Thu May 8, 2025, 02:21 AM
Yesterday

Patriots on Deck.

As if Democracy Doesn't have Enough to Combat!

misanthrope

(8,717 posts)
52. Should Fetterman step down, Shapiro would tap another Democrat
Thu May 8, 2025, 11:17 PM
14 hrs ago

Putting someone else in there to get their feet wet now would lessen the chances of a Republican winning the seat in 2028.

mzmolly

(52,136 posts)
3. I'm sad for Fetterman, frankly.
Thu May 8, 2025, 12:00 AM
Yesterday

If he has an untreated mental health issue, he needs to get help.

JBTaurus83

(350 posts)
4. I'm starting to sound like a broken record
Thu May 8, 2025, 12:00 AM
Yesterday

But as precarious as the situation is in my state of PA, we have got to force the nutcase out. Governor Shapiro could appoint a far more capable person. Fetterman will end up turning on us like Manchin or Sinema, and he has clear mental illness. They could run any Republican and beat him in the next election. I don’t know of anyone with a good opinion of him.

Swede

(36,153 posts)
40. The man had a stroke and is acting irrationally.
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:02 PM
Yesterday

Calling him a nutcase is disgusting.

tinrobot

(11,536 posts)
47. Regardless of language used, acting irrationally still means he can't do the job.
Thu May 8, 2025, 07:41 PM
18 hrs ago

He may need to step aside for his own health as well as the well-being of his constituents.

Trueblue Texan

(3,315 posts)
42. a deplorable comment, indeed, but...
Thu May 8, 2025, 02:52 PM
23 hrs ago

...Fetterman has done some things recently that make me question his mental health, his loyalty and whether or not he is compromised. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but removing him may turn out to be a kindness.

sheshe2

(91,835 posts)
5. Someone needs to intervene NOW.
Thu May 8, 2025, 12:04 AM
Yesterday

His wife perhaps? His doctors? The man is unwell. If they cared about his well being and the safety of those around him, then they should do something and soon.

He is not my favorite person, however it is very sad to see his decline.

Nixie

(17,639 posts)
8. The video of him arguing with a pilot about using his seatbelt on an
Thu May 8, 2025, 12:33 AM
Yesterday

airplane while holding the entire flight up was jaw dropping. He’s lucky he got such a polite pilot. That episode was close to a 5150 hold episode because he could have been dragged off the plane.

I agree that those close to him need to step up more, for everyone’s sake.

sheshe2

(91,835 posts)
11. I saw that as well and I agree that he was lucky there.
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:01 AM
Yesterday

I get the mood swings and behavior all caused by the stroke. I also feel for the people in that room, his yelling and slamming his hands on the desk must have been frightening. His size alone is intimidating and the anger, someone is going to get hurt.



Cha

(310,397 posts)
26. Oh I hadn't read about that, Nixie.. Mahalo.
Thu May 8, 2025, 02:41 AM
Yesterday
And, he's questioning "why everyone is mad at him and what did I ever do?"

I was just saying upthread that the last article on his Staffers voicing their Concerns.. It had a quote from his wife that basically said that the Staffers were out to get him and trying to bring him down.

So unless she changes that attitude she won't be much help.

Aloha, Nixie! 💙

Nixie

(17,639 posts)
41. Hi Cha! I hadn't seen that article yet. Thx for that. I was seeing
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:27 PM
Yesterday

articles that she was getting frustrated with his actions — something about his reckless driving and other behaviors.

If I remember, she took over a lot of his responsibilities when he was in treatment for depression. It is a dicey situation for couples and everyone around them.

Cha

(310,397 posts)
43. Well, Thank You for telling us about
Thu May 8, 2025, 04:53 PM
21 hrs ago

some of her More Realistic Reactions to what is going on with Sen Fetterman..

I hope she is able to get him the Help he needs. Because the Country Needs him to do that.

Aloha, Nixie 💙

Cha

(310,397 posts)
25. Yes, it is sad.. and I'm sorry this is
Thu May 8, 2025, 02:31 AM
Yesterday

happening.

However, the last article I read about his Staffers Voicing their Concerns it had a quote from his wife saying something like..

These people are out to get him and they're trying to bring him down.


So if this keeps up I don't think his wife is going to be much help.


JustAnotherGen

(34,850 posts)
29. He needs to be forced out
Thu May 8, 2025, 05:29 AM
Yesterday

It can be done. It has been done for things that never happened.

This IS happening. Let Gov Shapiro work with the PA Democratic Committee to select a replacement immediately then hold a special election. I work.for a manufacturer in Bucks County although I live over the border in NJ.

Between Lamb and Kenyatta you have two solid Democrats. Or do the CA thing and select someone who will pledge not to.run - until a special election.

PA actually has a deep Democratic Party bench.

thebigidea

(13,495 posts)
6. Sounds like a guy with depression. Good days and bad days.
Thu May 8, 2025, 12:08 AM
Yesterday

This is what depression can look like. It was ok when we wanted the seat and everybody was saying how brave he was to talk about it.

But this is why depression tended to be a career killer in politics in less enlightened times.

Hope he doesn't hurt anybody or himself. That car accident talk was fucking scary, as was talk of not taking his medication.

It's a tough situation. It'll always be there, you gotta deal with the bad days along with the good days.

Ilsa

(62,751 posts)
12. Depression and possibly more.
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:02 AM
Yesterday

It sounds like he's losing emotional inhibition and becoming irrational. I see the airplane seatbelt story as him being antisocial, detesting authority. His executive brain functions are off-kilter.

fujiyamasan

(92 posts)
21. Maybe bipolar?
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:57 AM
Yesterday

Not sure, but yes that car accident was pretty bad and could have been much worse. The plane incident also made him looked entitled and totally out there. He sounds like he’s at risk of hurting himself or someone else.

Cha

(310,397 posts)
27. I was thinking perhaps Bi-polar, too..
Thu May 8, 2025, 03:18 AM
Yesterday

From what I've known from loved ones I've been around.

I didn't know about the car accident and just looked it up. Not Good!

He should not be driving at high speeds. They were all lucky.

LudwigPastorius

(12,375 posts)
7. His remaining staff members can't cover up for him forever.
Thu May 8, 2025, 12:11 AM
Yesterday

There's bound to be a meltdown on camera at some point.

They need to do what's best for him, not prop up an ill man for their own benefit.

mwmisses4289

(1,016 posts)
10. Hmmm...didn't he have a stroke about
Thu May 8, 2025, 12:38 AM
Yesterday

six months after he got elected? Wonder if the stroke did more damage than was originally thought?

krkaufman

(13,854 posts)
19. Stroke was before the election.
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:40 AM
Yesterday

6 week stay at a clinic for depression was after he was sworn-in.

JustAnotherGen

(34,850 posts)
31. My dad had a massive stroke
Thu May 8, 2025, 05:38 AM
Yesterday

When he was 58. Walked out of the hospital (miracle patient) six weeks later. Went back to work for a few months then retired.

His personality changed with very *dark spells*. He could see it. Not being in a high press mergers/acq roles helped his brain heal.completely.

Strokes are brain injuries. I don't believe he's fully healed.

A year after retiring my dad started a consultant business which allowed him to pick and choose which distressed companies he would like to help, and that he could a few months to then go fishing every day.

Fetterman needs to rest. He needs to heal so he can be there for his children. He can't think straight.

Not a psychologist or psychiatrist or doctor of any kind . .. . just saw it first hand.

I really FEEL for him. He's locked in a brain injury.

róisín_dubh

(12,002 posts)
14. Good lord he needs to step down
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:05 AM
Yesterday

My sister and brother in law were (key word) huge Fetterman supporters. They cannot wait to be rid of him now.
Let Shapiro put Conor Lamb in to finish out Fetterman’s term

Meowmee

(9,013 posts)
15. I find it odd that cnn had an entire panel discussing this( F's mental state etc.)
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:12 AM
Yesterday

Yet none for the orange psychopath... unbelievable.

Quiet Em

(1,882 posts)
17. Yeah, there is something off here.
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:22 AM
Yesterday

I'm not a fan, I don't like many of the comments he has made or his normalizing of the con artist, but he's not up for re-election until 29. He's not my Senator, he's not a major voice of the Democratic Party and all these leaks, discussions and elevation of him to a major topic seems quite strange.

markodochartaigh

(2,800 posts)
20. I would find it much more bizarre if
Thu May 8, 2025, 01:55 AM
Yesterday

mainstream media treated a Republican like they treat Democratic politicians. In today's media it isn't what a politician does, it is what side of the aisle they are on.

Cha

(310,397 posts)
28. I know... It freaking Sucks. Whatever happened
Thu May 8, 2025, 03:22 AM
Yesterday

to "media Both Sides" in that Case?

Bread and Circuses

(739 posts)
30. I never liked the hoodie wearing senator
Thu May 8, 2025, 05:32 AM
Yesterday

I didn’t trust him and I thought that he was hoodwinking everyone…. Hoodwinking everyone with his
‘Everyman persona’.

Now, we’re finding out that he may have serious mental health issues . I suspect these problems were swept away when he was a candidate.

I hope that he receives appropriate medical care which is needed ASAP. He needs to resign.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,726 posts)
32. Many people tried to warn everyone. I didn't expect THIS particular scenario or outcome *
Thu May 8, 2025, 05:54 AM
Yesterday

* but I knew all along that it would not end well.

BeerBarrelPolka

(1,581 posts)
33. I suffered a stroke recently
Thu May 8, 2025, 06:02 AM
Yesterday

I suffered a serious stroke along with other things, about a year and a half ago. There are some misconceptions that have been posted in the past on here, but in essence a stroke can change certain things in you. For example with me, I can no longer handle any sort of stressful situations. And by stress it could be the absolute simplest of things.

I don't think everything happening can be blamed on the stroke with Fetterman, as is the same with me.

BeerBarrelPolka

(1,581 posts)
36. Right
Thu May 8, 2025, 07:55 AM
Yesterday

And I for one as a stroke victim, take HUGE offense to people who casually write off what's he's doing as a result of a stroke. It paints all stroke victims with a broad brush. Fetterman has issues that predate and supersede stroke.

Exp

(292 posts)
37. How sad. People close to him must have seen this coming. Hopefully he will resign willingly. nt
Thu May 8, 2025, 12:48 PM
Yesterday

senseandsensibility

(21,948 posts)
44. The staffer was comforted by the teachers
Thu May 8, 2025, 05:09 PM
20 hrs ago

Sounds about right knowing teachers as I do. I wonder if he is turning against teachers' unions in his swing to the right. Wouldn't be a wise move, but the article makes it sound like it's more of an emotional issue than an issue related one.

BigDemVoter

(4,623 posts)
45. Strokes can certainly affect one's personality depending on where stroke occurred in the brain.
Thu May 8, 2025, 06:32 PM
19 hrs ago

It looks like Fetterman has really changed from how he was before. I wonder if the stroke can explain his behavior?

Xolodno

(6,980 posts)
46. No one ever wants to get out of the way.
Thu May 8, 2025, 07:20 PM
18 hrs ago

They always think they can still push through and can do better.

However, sometimes, you have to sit down and take stock of things and ask yourself if its even worth it anymore. Let others make the mistakes and lessons learned, even though you know you wouldn't make those. But you can make new ones without realizing it.

Iggo

(48,811 posts)
49. Oh.
Thu May 8, 2025, 09:08 PM
16 hrs ago

Well…on the one hand, I hope he gets the help he needs.

On the other hand, I care about him about as much as he cares about me.

ananda

(31,660 posts)
50. He's not the same person he was before his stroke.
Thu May 8, 2025, 09:09 PM
16 hrs ago

I think that stroke really affected him.

MorbidButterflyTat

(2,914 posts)
53. So where are all the staffers, etc.
Thu May 8, 2025, 11:53 PM
14 hrs ago

people who have been "briefed," and others speaking on the condition of anonymity, about MAGAts in Congress? The bloated orange anus face?

Why are all the stories about Democrats?

For that matter, why insist upon anonymity? Come out with it, and come clean. Anybody can say anything anonymously.

JanMichael

(25,587 posts)
56. I hope this gets under control soon
Fri May 9, 2025, 06:46 AM
7 hrs ago

Or the next story might be national news. He's a big dude and if he goes bonkers he can do a lot of damage before he gases out.

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