Robert Prevost, now Leo XIV, is not the first "American" pope

[onenote]

Francis was born in South America -- specifically Argentina.

The new pope is the first pope from North America.

Just sayin'

[Srkdqltr]

1. And Francis was Italian, which is always overlooked.

[ZDU]

2. Hear, hear! Thank you!

[Torchlight]

4. ok

[edhopper]

5. You do know that American

is what we call people from the United States. No one said he is the first from The Americas. Or the first North American Pope.
If the Pope where from Canada or Mexico, he would be called the first Canadian or Mexican Pope not the first American Pope.
Hope that explains your misconception.

[malaise]

6. No he is not the first American pope

We have North America and South America and what US. Americans call it does not make it right

[TomSlick]

10. The locals in Britain, France, Germany, Morocco, and Ireland all referred to me as an American.

Je suis Americaine. Ich bin Amerikaner. Is Meiriceánach mé.

[NewLarry]

27. I'm an American

to my Canadian colleagues.

[TexLaProgressive]

62. Many of us are USERs

[edhopper]

22. Show me where people from other countries

in the Americas are called American? Was Bob Marley called an American or a Jamaican?
I saw Francis called the first Latin American Pope, the first Argentinean Pope, but never the first American Pope.
If you can cite articles or News sources that generally referred to him as an American Pope, I would be happy to look.
EVERYONE knows exactly what is meant when they say he is the first American Pope,

[DFW]

63. Here's where: specifically, Spain, where I used to live

People from the USA are called "norteamericanos." People from Latin America are called "americanos."

Latin Americans who live in Spain will tell you, "soy americano/a," and everyone in Spain knows exactly what is meant. People in Spain will be referring to Provost/Leo as "el primer papa norteamericano," although they might also say "de orígen norteamericano" due to his Peruvian citizenship. Too bad this didn't happen Monday, since I was down in Spain for the day. However, I am now in Portugal for a couple of days, and will be meeting with some colleagues who will be coming over from Spain tomorrow, so I will have a better idea by tomorrow night.

[edhopper]

75. And people who speak English?

What do they say?

[DFW]

76. Europeans don't change their terminology when speaking a foreign language (such as English).

At this point, I have lived most of my life where English is not the dominant language. Actually, that seems to be the case on most of the planet. Maybe the Trumpanzees have a secret plan to force everyone to speak English in the future, but if so, it hasn't gained much traction at this point.

[edhopper]

79. Okay

What do the Germans call people from the U.S.? The French? The Swedes? The Italians? the Greek? The Dutch? the Norwegians?
I have been in Europe quite a bit, and I don't recall anyone calling me anything but an American.

[Self Esteem]

33. So people from Mexico are just called Americans?

[malaise]

38. He is American

Francis was a South American Argentinian.

[Self Esteem]

39. So, he's the first American pope.

[mcar]

59. He was born in Italy

But I agree that Leo is the first pope born in the US.

[malaise]

66. The new pope has Peruvian citizenship

Very interesting because the US does not recognize dual citizenship.
So this discussion is moot.😀

[IronLionZion]

72. Pope Francis was born in Argentina

of Italian heritage but he was not born in Italy.

[mcar]

64. As I said, I take your point

[sdfernando]

7. I never like it when people say "American" and actually mean United States citizen.

Canadians, Mexican, Panamanians, Venezuelans, Chileans, Brazilians, and a whole host of other are all Americans.

[edhopper]

23. What should we be called then?

is there a nomenclature I am not aware of.

[erronis]

46. Damn yankee. Or yanqui.

[edhopper]

47. There are a whole bunch of folks

In the South that would shoot you if you called them a Yankee.

[nilram]

52. "From the United States" has worked fine for me

for more than 50 years.

[edhopper]

54. Here comes the

"From the United States"
That's not awkward at all.

[Self Esteem]

34. What do you call someone from the US?

A United Stateser?

You call someone from Canada a Canadian.

Someone from Mexico a Mexican.

Someone from Brazil and Brazilian.

So, what are we calling someone from the US?

[Bluestocking]

45. Based on the fact that Trump is President

I would call someone from the US either an idiot or a moron.

[edhopper]

49. Just

70 million of us

[Bluestocking]

56. 70 percent did not vote for Harris.

89 million eligible voters did not vote + 70 million MAGAts = 159 million did not vote for Harris out of 234 million voters. That’s almost 70%. What do you call someone from the US? Either an idiot or a moron.

[erronis]

48. To repeat: Damn yankee. Or yanqui.

I am a US citizen. Some of my ancestors actually arrived on the Mayflower - for what the fuck that's worth.

I am an American because I live on an American continent, along with many people from South and Central America. I am prouder to be part of that group than the insular people that think that the "Gulf of Mexico" should be renamed because the (un)United States is the biggest bully.

[Self Esteem]

73. You call yourself an American because you're from the US.

I promise you no one from Canada refers to themselves as American.

[fierywoman]

78. A gringo?

[flor-de-jasmim]

8. In Europe, the Americas are considered a single continent.

And from 1889 to 1968, the official name of Brazil was "The United States of Brazil", so neither the "U.S." nor "America" referred only to the USA.

[prodigitalson]

12. But I have never seen a European refer to anyone other than a US citizen as American

Or East Asian for that matter.

[Celerity]

42. Yes, I live in Europe (Sweden), have been to almost every European nation state, and have never heard anyone other than

people from the US called Americans.

This whole argument is pedantic as hell.

strike-throughs are the only 'European' nation states/countries I have not been to

Albania
Andorra
Armenia (often not included in Europe)
Austria
Azerbaijan (often not included in Europe)
Belarus (we decided at the last minute to not go to Minsk whilst we were in Vilnius, Lithuania, and did so for political/security reasons, and certainly now we have to plans to go)
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Georgia (often not included in Europe)
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Republic of Ireland
Italy
Kosovo (is not fully recognised as well) we do plan on going there next time we are in the Balkans
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Moldova (we went with a Swedish friend who had a wife from there, we had a wonderful time, but the overall poverty was a bit depressing, based on a 'western' standard of course)
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands
North Macedonia
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia (no chance we would go now)
San Marino (yes, we went there on one of our trips to Italy, just to say we have been there, lolol)
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
Ukraine
United Kingdom
Vatican City

[Wounded Bear]

25. Yeah, "Unitedstatesian" is a bit cumbersome...

[erronis]

50. Yanqui.

[delisen]

70. In the spirit of the times, Let's rename ourselves

I suggest Amer-Rican ( rhymes with Puerto Rican).

A timely nod to the coming together of the peoples of the Americas.

….and a subtle reminder the we are all people of the Planet Earth and that all borders are artificial.

[Self Esteem]

35. What do they call someone from the US - or Brazil for that matter?

[ancianita]

9. Indeed. He's the second.

So technically true he's teh first from the U.S.

But. It's also important to note that since we're not called North Americans (or United Statesians) we just call ourselves Americans and so does the rest of the world call US folks "Americans."
If we can be called Americans, so can he.

[FadedMullet]

14. Exactly right and well put. Let the naysayers die on this hill. Silly stuff.

[Self Esteem]

36. What do you call someone from the US?

[ancianita]

37. What the world calls them -- an American.

I'm an American. And Pope Leo XIV is an American. Are you an American?

[Self Esteem]

40. So he is the first American pope...

Because I'm sure no one from Argentina is called 'American' by default. They're called Argentinians.

[erronis]

51. Yanqui.

[dwp6577]

11. I recall spanish class

We were taught to say, "soy de los estados unidos", because north, central and south americans are all americans.

[IronLionZion]

13. What's the A in USA?

[Sympthsical]

15. I usually enjoy a bit of pointless Internet pedantry

But this one is an eye roll and not even technically correct. Only people from the United States refer to themselves colloquially as American. Canadians, Mexicans, Argentinians, Peruvians, Bralizians. They do not refer to themselves as American.

We do. Because United States was initially a descriptor rather than an appellation, so America was used to denote place.

Pedantry should be in service to clarity. This misses the mark.

This is just Internet “Ackshully . . .” without the fedora tip.

[Oopsie Daisy]

18. Thank you.

[Celerity]

80. this thread partially reminds me of some of the threads about the cringe (and Dem vote repellent) that is 'Latinx'

[AverageOldGuy]

16. I'm missing something.

Where was he born ?

Where did he live from birth to teens?

After he became a priest, what was his career progression?

He was the cardinal for ??? where?

[ancianita]

20. What. You can't Google him?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_XIV

[IronLionZion]

30. Born and raised in South Chicago, Bishop of Chiclayo Peru, Cardinal of Santa Monica Italy.

People move. When someone asks me where I'm from, there are only wrong answers.

[ShazamIam]

60. There is a video of his brother speaking of him on the DU video links. nt

[Meowmee]

77. From what I have looked at so far

He is from Chicago, he left to become a priest at a very young age, around 8th grade I think his brother said, to an Augustinian seminary- that was in an interview with his brother... more here...

"Born in Chicago in 1955 to parents of Spanish and Franco-Italian descent, Prevost served as an altar boy and was ordained as a priest in 1982. Although he moved to Peru three years later, he returned regularly to the US to serve as a pastor and a prior in his home city."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0ln80lzk7ko

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-pope-robert-prevost-pope-leo-xiv/#:~:text=He%20graduated%20from%20Villanova%20University,as%20a%20priest%20in%201982.

[Oopsie Daisy]

17. LOL

[FadedMullet]

19. The world understands the difference between "the first American Pope" and "the first Pope.....

......from the Americas” and I’m happy to go along with them.

[IronLionZion]

31. And we did say first Pope from the Americas when Pope Francis was elected.

[Celerity]

21. First Pope from an English-speaking country since Adrian IV (England) died in 1159 (who was the only one until now).

Leo XIV is also the first pope to come from the Order of Saint Augustine, and the first pope born after World War II.

[Wounded Bear]

28. Technically, did 12th Century people from England really speak "english?"

[malaise]

41. I almost asked that

😀

[Celerity]

44. early Middle English

[Sympthsical]

68. The Dan Jones Plantagenet docu-series is great

Because it has the kings and nobility speaking subtitled French. It was such a nice touch to see in an English documentary about that era.

One of my favorite bits about the 12th century (besides Eleanor’s general awesomeness) is the image of Henry II wandering around England with an interpreter because he spoke English so poorly.

[biophile]

69. Thank you! Eleanor was awesome!

12th century England and Wales was my time (before this life 😆 .

[Sympthsical]

81. Right?

I recently started reading Pillars of the Earth by Kenneth Follett during my down time at work. If you're not familiar, it's historical fiction that takes place during the Anarchy about various people managing the instability while trying to build a cathedral. It's pretty good. Taking forever to finish since it's close to 1,000 pages, and I'm reading in bits and pieces throughout the day, lol.

Right now I'm at the point between the exchange of Stephen and Robert of Gloucester and the Siege of Oxford. I believe the novel goes all the way to Henry II and Becket. Its main thread is how bishops and barons began to behave with their own autonomy - and impunity - during this collapse of central authority.

There are five books total taking place in various eras of the Middle Ages. Pillars is book one. Really enjoying it so far. Fairly light reading as these things go, but so. very. long. lol.

[Cha]

24. I just looked it up... Pope Leo was on Sept 14, 1955 in

Chicago Illinois!

[erronis]

53. So the first Illinoisian Pope?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/illinoisan

[bluboid]

26. Thank you for important clarification!

[Prairie Gates]

29. On brand

[roamer65]

32. Brilliant move by the Catholic Church.

They are playing chess, while Dump plays checkers.

[Hassler]

43. We could call him the first Yankee Pope

But he's from Southside Chicago, so probably not.

[California Kid]

55. The first Yank pope...

[mcar]

57. Francis was born in Italy

but spent much of his life in South America. But I take your point.

[Celerity]

61. No. Francis was born Jorge Mario Bergoglio on 17 December 1936 in Flores, a neighbourhood of Buenos Aires, Argentina.

He was the eldest of the five children of Mario José Bergoglio and Regina María Sívori. Mario Bergoglio was an Italian immigrant and an accountant from Piedmont. Regina Sívori was a housewife born in Buenos Aires to a family of northern Italian origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis

[Joinfortmill]

58. Technically, maybe. But the whole world calls folks born in U. S. A. Americans.

[DavidDvorkin]

67. Right

And the world uses "America" as a synonym for the USA.

[JoseBalow]

65. Oy

Esta boludez?

[JustAnotherGen]

71. He's the First born in the United States of America

Just worried that Trump/Miller will declare EVERYTHING in North, Central and South as United States of America.

And Argentina is a long ways away from the South Side Chicago.

[Renew Deal]

74. Hope you feel better