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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA serious question re: the "Big, Beautiful Bill"
Since it appears that the GOPukes in the House and Senate are poised to pass this bill which provides massive tax cuts for the very wealthiest, (who do not need lower taxes), at the expense of the rest of the people, is it oral, is it patriotic, to refuse to pay federal taxes? If we continue to pay state and local taxes but refuse to finance the destruction of our nation, are we wrong to do so?
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A serious question re: the "Big, Beautiful Bill" (Original Post)
bluescribbler
May 19
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(166,210 posts)1. Adding $5 Trillion to the debt has the credit markets worried
In 2011, the GOP was responsible for a U.S. credit rating downgrade. In 2023, it happened again. And in 2025, Republicans are again to blame.
Why the latest downgrade of the U.S. credit rating is an embarrassment for Republicans - MSNBC
— (@oc88.bsky.social) 2025-05-19T14:00:03.209Z
apple.news/AJEUHJcLzQhO...
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/latest-downgrade-us-credit-rating-embarrassment-republicans-rcna207652
There is still one other ratings agency, however, that hadnt downgraded the nations credit rating at least, that is, until last week. NBC News reported:
In terms of the practical economic impact, neither the 2011 nor the 2023 downgrades did meaningful harm, though as NBC News report added, the decision from Moodys might end up lifting the yield that investors demand in order to buy U.S. Treasury debt and could dampen sentiment toward owning U.S. assets. Time will tell.
But in terms of the political impact, Donald Trumps White House tried to blame Biden for the developments a go-to move for this administration despite the fact that deficits exploded during Trumps first term and were far smaller under Biden.
Even more interesting, however, was the reaction from House Speaker Mike Johnson. The New York Times noted:
.....This need not be complicated. Moodys downgraded the United States because of the countrys national debt and fiscal future. The GOPs reconciliation bill, filled with massive tax breaks, would add nearly $3 trillion to projected budget deficits over the next decade. (As for the idea that there was a Biden spending spree, now seems like a good time to remind everyone that government spending has gone up, not down, since Donald Trump returned to power.)
In other words, the fiscal problem that led to the downgrade would get worse because of the Republicans megabill, which is the opposite of the line GOP leaders have brought to the public.
Moodys Ratings cut the United States sovereign credit rating down a notch to Aa1 from the Aaa, the highest possible, citing the growing burden of financing the federal governments budget deficit and the rising cost of rolling over existing debt amid high interest rates.
In terms of the practical economic impact, neither the 2011 nor the 2023 downgrades did meaningful harm, though as NBC News report added, the decision from Moodys might end up lifting the yield that investors demand in order to buy U.S. Treasury debt and could dampen sentiment toward owning U.S. assets. Time will tell.
But in terms of the political impact, Donald Trumps White House tried to blame Biden for the developments a go-to move for this administration despite the fact that deficits exploded during Trumps first term and were far smaller under Biden.
Even more interesting, however, was the reaction from House Speaker Mike Johnson. The New York Times noted:
In his appearance on Fox News Sunday, Speaker Mike Johnson tried to spin Moodys recent downgrading of U.S. credit worthiness away from House Republicans multi-trillion-dollar spending package and recast it as a product of the Biden spending spree. He argued that the inferior credit rating was evidence that emphasizes the very need for the legislation were talking about.
.....This need not be complicated. Moodys downgraded the United States because of the countrys national debt and fiscal future. The GOPs reconciliation bill, filled with massive tax breaks, would add nearly $3 trillion to projected budget deficits over the next decade. (As for the idea that there was a Biden spending spree, now seems like a good time to remind everyone that government spending has gone up, not down, since Donald Trump returned to power.)
In other words, the fiscal problem that led to the downgrade would get worse because of the Republicans megabill, which is the opposite of the line GOP leaders have brought to the public.