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mopinko

(72,789 posts)
Tue May 27, 2025, 09:19 AM May 27

i just wish to point out that 1 reason we spend what we do on the social safety net

is that wages have been suppressed for DECADES.
when the majority- 60%- of the population dont make enough to meet basic needs, of course things like snap and housing assistance sky rocket.
it’s bugs me no end to hear about a crisis in “affordable housing”. ppl cd afford housing if they were paid a living wage. that’s a lot easier to fix than finding ways to build housing cheaply enough for ppl making a poverty wage.
my greatest disappointment in the last 2 dem administrations is the failure to fix the minimum wage. $15/hr isnt even enough.
it needs to b indexed to inflation.

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i just wish to point out that 1 reason we spend what we do on the social safety net (Original Post) mopinko May 27 OP
. BoRaGard May 27 #1
Reminds me of conditions in the industrial revolution jmbar2 May 27 #2
thx. i'll check that out. mopinko May 27 #4
Exactly right... FalloutShelter May 27 #3
yeah, it impacts ss bennies. mopinko May 27 #6
I have Rebl2 May 27 #9
Absolutely right, Mo! SheltieLover May 27 #5
No shit! It all ties together... Wounded Bear May 27 #7
yup. mopinko May 27 #8
Right you are. Minimum wage was supposed to be enough for a family Easterncedar May 27 #10
Post removed Post removed May 27 #11
Interesting first post. Plan on staying around? GP6971 May 27 #12
awww. i missed it. mopinko May 27 #15
Didn't miss much...low grade troll!! GP6971 May 27 #17
yeah, but i cd use a laugh today. mopinko May 27 #19
Buh-bye. nt Tommy Carcetti May 27 #13
New Poor Law, 1834 Marcuse May 27 #14
i wish i cd read that. mopinko May 27 #16
It's a huge image Mr.Bee May 27 #21
Actually, here's a clear image you can read: Mr.Bee May 27 #23
We need a resurgence of unionization. Nt spooky3 May 27 #18
I Been Bangin' This Drum For Decades... Mr.Bee May 27 #20
"logic" mopinko May 27 #22
The federal minimum wage... SpankMe May 27 #24
There is rot at the heart of everything about the crumbling capitalism run amok era... Moostache May 27 #25
And it actually goes deeper than that. These social safety net programs have allowed the... Ol Janx Spirit May 27 #26

jmbar2

(7,076 posts)
2. Reminds me of conditions in the industrial revolution
Tue May 27, 2025, 09:44 AM
May 27

I've been watching a fascinating series, "The Mill", on Amazon Prime - free series with ads.

It's the story of Quarry Bank Mill in England in the 1800s at was at the boom of industrialization and the cotton weaving industry. Many people were driven off their farms and into cities into poorhouses and workhouses.

The mills "apprenticed" children from the workhouses for 10 years labor in exchange for room and board. As horrible as the conditions were, at least those priced out of housing had somewhere to go.

We don't even have workhouses anymore.

FalloutShelter

(13,594 posts)
3. Exactly right...
Tue May 27, 2025, 09:48 AM
May 27

Most seniors still can’t afford to retire after they have worked for fifty years and have done everything right.
Want proof? Go to the checkout line of your local Supermarket. All seniors in my very affluent suburb od Philly. And those jobs are disappearing… FAST.

Rebl2

(16,699 posts)
9. I have
Tue May 27, 2025, 10:28 AM
May 27

noticed that. I have also noticed seniors working at craft stores, pet food stores, drugstores, department stores, fast food restaurants and on and on. Many I believe try to make more money to pay for extra health insurance or to pay for medications.

Wounded Bear

(62,536 posts)
7. No shit! It all ties together...
Tue May 27, 2025, 10:21 AM
May 27

Raising the minimum wage would also help alleviate the Social Security funding 'emergency.'

All of the distractions keep eyes elsewhere, when some of our real problems have pretty simple answers.

Easterncedar

(4,733 posts)
10. Right you are. Minimum wage was supposed to be enough for a family
Tue May 27, 2025, 10:32 AM
May 27

I remember under Nixon when the thugs tried to create a subminimum wage for young people and fast food workers. When that didn’t happen, they let the wage stagnate instead. It didn’t take long for the minimum wage to slip below subsistence level.

Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mr.Bee

(1,035 posts)
21. It's a huge image
Tue May 27, 2025, 11:45 AM
May 27

open in a new tab and keep clicking
'The mode of punishment for the incorrigible by order of the overseers'

Mr.Bee

(1,035 posts)
20. I Been Bangin' This Drum For Decades...
Tue May 27, 2025, 11:42 AM
May 27

Reagan made millionaires billionaires.
Bush extended it.
There is no revenue coming into the Federal Government
to give the wealthy undeserving any more tax cuts
so cut up all the programs that support the public!
The logic is unsustainable.

SpankMe

(3,535 posts)
24. The federal minimum wage...
Tue May 27, 2025, 12:19 PM
May 27

...should be around $14/hr today if it was keeping up with inflation since the late 1970's. The fed min wage is about half that, as everyone knows.

That means that - all things being equal - $14/hr today exacts the same burden on business as $2.90 did in 1979.

I'll grant that all things aren't necessarily equal - cost structure on business today isn't distributed the same as in '79, and maybe labor costs more today as a percentage of total costs (on an inflation-adjusted basis) than it did in '79. But, the minimum wage should still be a whole lot higher than $7.25/hr. States are doing their own minimum wage thing. But, the federal minimum wage drives a lot of calculations and policy decisions elsewhere in the economy.

Moostache

(10,701 posts)
25. There is rot at the heart of everything about the crumbling capitalism run amok era...
Tue May 27, 2025, 12:30 PM
May 27

Since Nixon killed the gold standard (1971) and introduced fiat currency and Thatcher and Reagan brought out trickle on my head and say its raining economics (1981-1982) throughout the eighties we have been riding the boom-bust bubble machine and wealth aggregator known as late-stage capitalism ever since. Humanity has a big two-sided problem - greed and fear.

We evolved from the trees and savanahs millions of years ago; but we never left our banana scarcity mindset (the inante terror of not knowing where the next banana would come from), and thus fear and greed color literally every human action and interaction to this day. Late-stage capitalism simply allowed those with the biggest pile of bananas to write the laws to protect their piles and to steal from others' piles to augment their own, on the off-chance that having enough bananas for 100 lifetimes would not be enough somehow - or the misunderstanding that "providing for your family" was never meant to be "create a class of inheritance ghouls that earned nothing and yet inherit the power to take everything".

We allowed the advent of "Greed is good." and "capitalism as a zero-sum game" to magnify and amplify the fear and greed to the levels we have today.

What we have now is the debt bubble around the world preparing to pop. This time its not a sector (like the "Asian contagion" or (Real Estate crash of '08) and its not just the market (1929, 1987, 2008, 2020, 2025) crashes and ups and downs becoming more extreme. Its the entire foundation that is cracked and unrepairable without a massive reset and concurrent redistribution from concentrated to distriubuted wealth. Instead of recognizing that you cannot grab and hold water in your hands, the rich have built systems of hording and collection to try and keep the liquid assets as their own, and in fewer and fewer hands (because let's be honest, these cock-suckers KNOW that they are all going to rob, cheat and steal as much as possible, so the fewer people in the game, the fewer number of threats to themselves).

"Money" is a concept to facilitate trade. Its not "real". The current breakdown of laws and the concept of "Equality under the law" as a governing prinicple are the end. What reason will people have to remain in this system of oppression and wage slavery when the rule of law is gone and only the whips and chains of the dictator remain to enforce compliance? When the people band together and decide that no more is now - that no one will work, no one will "buy", no one will exploit another for their daily pittance while the rulers build pyramids and momuments and increasingly kill off everyone else - then the end cometh and soon. This system only functions when everyone buys the banana scarcity meme as ruling edict and submits. Once critical mass of noninvolvement is reached, the system implodes by sheer math and physics... again, there is no way to horde water in your hands, and when the artificials reseriors of wealth hording come down (when property law is ignored or abandoned, when courts are no longer effective to enforce laws, when the system is seized up entirely), the center cannot hold. Things WILL fly apart and all the pretending and ignoring and shoring up of artifical barriers will not last long.

When humans realize that the key things for satisfying life are NOT a bigger house, a fancier car or more exotic jewelry; NOT having more than the neighbors, but actually having neighbors that are extended family instead of enemies taking away your banana shares; and that food, shelter and reliable, fulfilling community and kinship (through family, club, clan or country) are 95% of what makes life worth living at all, then a paradigm shift and breaking free of the current bondage becomes possible.

We can have peace and prosperity or we can continue to have exploitation and deprivation to service the unchecked greed of the ruling monkeys. We cannot and will not have both much longer though.

Ol Janx Spirit

(344 posts)
26. And it actually goes deeper than that. These social safety net programs have allowed the...
Tue May 27, 2025, 12:32 PM
May 27

...wealthy to exploit workers and suppress wages in order to become even wealthier. It is all part of the push to privatize profit while making all societal costs a public debt. The tecbro-billionaires seem to have forgotten this unwritten contract, but you can bet the Walton family still has some inkling that SNAP benefits allow them to keep a lot more of the money they make from selling cheap stuff.

What is always lost among the push by politicians to take away benefits under the guise that they disincentivize work is the fact that eliminating them will require employers to pay their workers more in the long run since most people receiving benefits are working in one way or another. Crime is also another side to this coin since people will find a way to feed their family one way or another.

But none of this is actually new or unique to America. Qu'ils mangent de la brioche

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