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wyldwolf

(43,870 posts)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:41 PM Dec 2012

War on drunk driving a model for reducing gun violence

What practical steps, within the protections of the Second Amendment, can we take to reduce mass killings and gun violence? Can such an effort even begin to make a difference in saving lives and preventing heartbreak?

Yes, it can. And we have a model of success to draw upon.

By 1982, more than 21,000 Americans were dying each year in alcohol-related accidents. Yet somehow by 2010, the number of fatalities caused by drunk driving had fallen to 10,228, a decline of more than half. We didn’t solve the problem, but clearly we have made substantial progress. We are saving more than 10,000 lives a year and preventing tens of thousands more from being crippled or maimed. Almost as important, over the years we have prevented tens of thousands of drivers from ruining their own lives by killing people while under the influence.

We did not achieve that progress by banning automobiles. We did not ban alcohol. In fact, no single dramatic change produced the turnaround. It was achieved through a broad, concerted legal effort backed by a fundamental change in what was deemed culturally acceptable

We required automakers to make their products safer, including then-controversial steps such as requiring airbags. We mandated use of seatbelts. We increased the legal liability of bars, taverns and restaurants that over-served customers, to ensure that those making money off the problem had some “skin in the game” in reducing it.

We instituted a national drinking age of 21, which reduced the number of minors involved in alcohol-related fatalities. ... More...


http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/12/19/war-on-drunk-driving-a-model-for-reducing-gun-violence/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog

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War on drunk driving a model for reducing gun violence (Original Post) wyldwolf Dec 2012 OP
Good piece. I'm on board with 99% of it Recursion Dec 2012 #1
Jay has got some good points LeftInTX Dec 2012 #2
He leaves out the fact that criminal penalties for DWI have been greatly increased dsc Dec 2012 #3
And that raising the drinking age to 21 was cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #10
I find this a poor analogy customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #4
Smoking is a good analogy too. ellisonz Dec 2012 #5
And seat belts. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #8
One of the few times I get to say... ellisonz Dec 2012 #11
Author will be on CNN at 1:30 to discuss this wyldwolf Dec 2012 #6
Drunk driving is illegal cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #7
The point is that Prohibition doesn't work as a sole strategy. Changing social norms helps greatly. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #9

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
10. And that raising the drinking age to 21 was
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:02 PM
Dec 2012

a ban for millions of people.

To say the war on DWI involved no sweeping changes... that's just a lie. Ask anyone with a DWI today versus a DWI thirty years ago whether there were sweeping changes in law.

Some would say that tripling penalties, quadrupling enforcement, outlawing possession for millions and ROADBLOCKS were fairly dramatic steps.


I agree that if possession of a firearm was treated like DWI there would be a dramatic decrease in guns, but that effort would require, as a first step, making possession of a gun illegal.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
4. I find this a poor analogy
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:37 PM
Dec 2012

A cop can spot a drunk driving a car before he kills someone way easier than a cop can figure out who's packing heat, waiting to unleash it on unsuspecting schoolchildren.

Other than putting in biometric systems (probably easily defeated) to allow only the owner to fire a weapon, what are the airbags and seatbelts that make guns less likely to be used in crimes?

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
7. Drunk driving is illegal
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:53 PM
Dec 2012

Sorry to demolish the author's argument so succinctly, but it is what it is.

Cracking down on crime is easier than cracking down on non-crime.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
9. The point is that Prohibition doesn't work as a sole strategy. Changing social norms helps greatly.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:56 PM
Dec 2012
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