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BeyondGeography

(40,467 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 10:43 AM Yesterday

The Guardian: Troops and marines deeply troubled by LA deployment: 'Morale is not great'

California national guards troops and marines deployed to Los Angeles to help restore order after days of protest against the Trump administration have told friends and family members they are deeply unhappy about the assignment and worry their only meaningful role will be as pawns in a political battle they do not want to join.

Three different advocacy organisations representing military families said they had heard from dozens of affected service members who expressed discomfort about being drawn into a domestic policing operation outside their normal field of operations. The groups said they have heard no countervailing opinions.

“The sentiment across the board right now is that deploying military force against our own communities isn’t the kind of national security we signed up for,” said Sarah Streyder of the Secure Families Initiative, which represents the interests of military spouses, children and veterans.

…Active service members are prohibited by law from speaking publicly about their work. But Streyder, of the Secure Families Initiative, said she had heard dozens of complaints indirectly through their families. She had also seen a written comment passed along to her organization from a national guard member who described the assignment as “shitty” – particularly compared with early secondments to help with wildfire relief or, during the Covid pandemic, vaccination outreach. “Both of those experiences were uncomplicatedly positive, a contribution back to the community,” Streyder described the message as saying. “This is quite the opposite.”

According to Janessa Goldbeck, a Marine Corps veteran who runs the Vet Voice Foundation, the feeling was similar among some of the troops being sent from Twentynine Palms. “Among all that I spoke with, the feeling was that the marines are being used as political pawns, and it strains the perception that marines are apolitical,” Goldbeck said. “Some were concerned that the Marines were being set up for failure. The overall perception was that the situation was nowhere at the level where marines were necessary.”

More at: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/12/los-angeles-national-guard-troops-marines-morale?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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The Guardian: Troops and marines deeply troubled by LA deployment: 'Morale is not great' (Original Post) BeyondGeography Yesterday OP
This is good work roscoeroscoe Yesterday #1
They have a choice. They can refuse to comply. AllyCat 22 hrs ago #15
With unlawful orders, yes. paleotn 21 hrs ago #18
I just hope they do something about it. Martin68 23 hrs ago #2
If they get their way they will purge those who are disloyal to dear leader newdeal2 23 hrs ago #6
But not "Performative" at all. BurnDoubt 23 hrs ago #3
Anyone who has high morale... purple_haze 23 hrs ago #4
Couldn't agree more. sop 22 hrs ago #10
Emperor Shitzinpants Quanto Magnus 23 hrs ago #5
K & R malaise 23 hrs ago #7
K&R orangecrush 23 hrs ago #8
K&R! William769 22 hrs ago #9
Trump can only be a dictator if the military lets him. sop 22 hrs ago #11
US troops should be made aware that following an illegal order ...., 70sEraVet 22 hrs ago #12
They very well could be, but I hope it never comes to that. Unless they shoot someone, that is. generalbetrayus 22 hrs ago #14
They should have low morale. Complying with these orders AllyCat 22 hrs ago #13
This message was self-deleted by its author IrishBubbaLiberal 21 hrs ago #16
Maybe DJT will break them , too. Everything Trump touches dies. nt Exp 21 hrs ago #17
Now dim donnie's henchscum will subject each of them to lie detector tests. Grokenstein 21 hrs ago #19
Pretty soon we'll see short videos on social media of how the service members really feel. Crowman2009 20 hrs ago #20
K&R UTUSN 20 hrs ago #21
That's why we need to throw a Dance party for them proud patriot 18 hrs ago #22
Now would be a good time for them to start passing joints. Crowman2009 15 hrs ago #23

roscoeroscoe

(1,743 posts)
1. This is good work
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 11:25 AM
Yesterday

As a vet, I know some are right, some are left. You have to leave that at the door. Myself and many others followed our orders to deploy to Iraq and the Middle East despite knowing the whole thing was a tragic farce.

Now, troops are in a similar position, however through the ugly looking glass of Trumpism. Remember, aside from asshole true believer Trumpists, these troops just want to get it over without trouble. They are being used, with no choice in the matter.

It's the civilian leadership that is doing the wrong thing here, the troops are pawns.

paleotn

(20,456 posts)
18. With unlawful orders, yes.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 01:50 PM
21 hrs ago

What’s unlawful is the tricky part. Particularly with folks who generally follow orders. That makes the bar a bit higher. My Lai? That one’s easy. Standing around in downtown LA with your thumb up your butt and nothing really to do but be props on a political set? That one is more difficult. Ordered to do a Kent State and we’re back to easy decision.

purple_haze

(10 posts)
4. Anyone who has high morale...
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 11:56 AM
23 hrs ago

...after being deployed in an American city against Americans, regardless of what side of the political aisle they come from, is probably a psychopath.

sop

(14,637 posts)
11. Trump can only be a dictator if the military lets him.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 01:06 PM
22 hrs ago

I believe the military will be America's last line of defense against Trump.

70sEraVet

(4,576 posts)
12. US troops should be made aware that following an illegal order ....,
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 01:21 PM
22 hrs ago

could get them prosecuted. I'm sure that their training does NOT include that little tidbit. It may be especially helpful right now, since their very presence in LA is on very questionable legal grounds.

generalbetrayus

(993 posts)
14. They very well could be, but I hope it never comes to that. Unless they shoot someone, that is.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 01:29 PM
22 hrs ago

I would hate to be in their position today, at the mercy of the delusions of Orange Julius Caesar.

AllyCat

(17,958 posts)
13. They should have low morale. Complying with these orders
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 01:29 PM
22 hrs ago

Is clearly unconstitutional, unethical, and immoral. Any who comply are gestapo.

They are not providing defense. They should just walk away. But cowardice reigns in the name of the almighty dollar.

Any who comply do not deserve one more peaceful moment in their lives.

Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Grokenstein

(6,028 posts)
19. Now dim donnie's henchscum will subject each of them to lie detector tests.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 02:04 PM
21 hrs ago

"Ve VILL find out who among you ist der vun who speaks ill uf Der Fuhrer!!"

Crowman2009

(3,116 posts)
20. Pretty soon we'll see short videos on social media of how the service members really feel.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 03:18 PM
20 hrs ago

That happened quite a bit during the Iraq & Afghanistan wars.

proud patriot

(102,044 posts)
22. That's why we need to throw a Dance party for them
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:44 PM
18 hrs ago

send them pizzas and soda . care of We the People !!!!!

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