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canetoad

(19,172 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:52 PM Jun 16

WTF is trump playing now?

Trump says everyone in Iran's capital must immediately evacuate

US President Donald Trump has urged everyone to immediately evacuate Iran's capital, Tehran.

In a post on Truth Social, he reiterated Iran should have signed a nuclear deal with the United States.

"Iran should have signed the 'deal' I told them to sign," he said in the post.

"What a shame, and waste of human life.

"Simply stated, IRAN CAN NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.

"I said it over and over again! Everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-17/iran-israel-conflict-live-updates-iran-state-broadcaster-strikes/105424264

This is from a live online blog and was posted 8 minutes ago. Is trump suggesting that the US is about to nuke Tehran?
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WTF is trump playing now? (Original Post) canetoad Jun 16 OP
Probably he has head's up ITAL Jun 16 #1
Yup, sounds like the sequel to Disaffected Jun 16 #13
I'm not so sure about it being non-nuclear... regnaD kciN Tuesday #30
Israel, or for that matter, is not going to drop a nuke on Tehran, MarineCombatEngineer Tuesday #40
Trump is insane, he needs to be institutionalized. sop Jun 16 #2
It's not Trump, though he is insane. AloeVera Jun 16 #7
He also told the G6 that the bad men Obama and Trudeau kicked Russia out of the G7.... viva la Jun 16 #3
Wonder why all those RC-135s headed east last night unc70 Jun 16 #4
KCs or RCs? If the former, we want ability to run large groups of bombers from US bases & back. If we get sucked in... dutch777 Jun 16 #19
However, if they do drop a dirty bomb, the wind pattern will blow radioactivity dhol82 Jun 16 #22
That may be the only thing that stops them. Although I would not count on it if they can seriously hurt Israel dutch777 Saturday #42
KC tankers. Sorry for confusion unc70 Tuesday #23
Iran actually HAD a nuclear deal with US and the world. Trump ended US participation blm Jun 16 #5
Thank you! KT2000 Jun 16 #18
Because the media suck NoRethugFriends Tuesday #26
This message was self-deleted by its author NoRethugFriends Tuesday #27
This is a crisis of Trump's own making. thought crime Tuesday #35
if anyone nukes or even MOABs Tehran lapfog_1 Jun 16 #6
Does Israel have bombers capable if delivering a MOAB Disaffected Jun 16 #14
"Does Israel have bombers capable of delivering a MOAB?" speak easy Tuesday #33
Thanks but Disaffected Tuesday #39
Holy shit malaise Jun 16 #8
It's the other madman. AloeVera Jun 16 #15
Sadly you are correct malaise Jun 16 #16
JHC. I HAVE BEEN TO TEHRAN. THis is a sprawling city of 9.7 million people/16.8 million including suburbs hlthe2b Jun 16 #9
The G6 have an opportunity to end this madness C_U_L8R Jun 16 #10
I heard this morning that Iran was tellling TelAviv to evac and Israel was telling Tehran to evac. So who knows. Amaryllis Jun 16 #11
The difference is that Israel has the ability to devastate Tehran and Iran does not have the ability to PufPuf23 Tuesday #25
Please US military arrest these notsees, every last one of them. Clouds Passing Jun 16 #12
Wonder if this story is connected -- has to do with Air Force sending nuclear codes... allegorical oracle Jun 16 #17
Seems like it's possible canetoad Jun 16 #21
He's playing at being the war president. ananda Jun 16 #20
He's an offended narcissist who is lashing out C_U_L8R Tuesday #32
He's always been a petty, vindictive asshole... ananda Tuesday #38
This is what it looks like when the guardrails are gone. thought crime Tuesday #36
I think he knows something about Netanyahu's plans. LudwigPastorius Tuesday #24
Was he trying to make himself relevant? Seem important? Claim the limelight? NH Ethylene Tuesday #28
"by executive decree, that a State of War now exists between the United States and Iran. NBachers Tuesday #29
Without Congressional approval C_U_L8R Tuesday #31
Chaos over there might give me some respite Frasier Balzov Tuesday #34
Is Trump playing, or is Trump being played? thought crime Tuesday #37
Well trmp, you scuttled that nuclear deal 'they should have signed' spanone Tuesday #41
So many Americans never remember anything... travelingthrulife Saturday #45
Do Iranians read Truth Social? milestogo Saturday #43
They DID have a nuclear deal. Trump cancelled it in his first maladministration. travelingthrulife Saturday #44
Weird dynamic? Make a strong play, get them to negotiate and then take THEIR deal? Brainfodder Saturday #46

ITAL

(1,072 posts)
1. Probably he has head's up
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:55 PM
Jun 16

That Israel is gonna bomb them to hell and back. Likely not with nuclear weapons, but with everything else they have.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,782 posts)
40. Israel, or for that matter, is not going to drop a nuke on Tehran,
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 11:12 AM
Tuesday

Israel has total air superiority over Iran, there is no reason to use a nuke, which would spread over the ME and contaminate other ME countries.
Their conventional weapons are more than sufficient.

AloeVera

(3,091 posts)
7. It's not Trump, though he is insane.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:03 PM
Jun 16

It's Israel, also insane imho. Israel has warned Tehran residents to evacuate. Israel is going to bomb the city to hell. This is real. And so, so predicted. Israel must be reigned in, it's a bonkers effing rogue state!

viva la

(4,136 posts)
3. He also told the G6 that the bad men Obama and Trudeau kicked Russia out of the G7....
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:58 PM
Jun 16

and there wouldn't have been a war if they hadn't done that.

That was the FIRST thing he said to the G6. Our best allies.

He's a traitor.

unc70

(6,423 posts)
4. Wonder why all those RC-135s headed east last night
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:00 PM
Jun 16

Made me think of when in MiB that all the aliens started fleeing NYC.

dutch777

(4,567 posts)
19. KCs or RCs? If the former, we want ability to run large groups of bombers from US bases & back. If we get sucked in...
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:04 PM
Jun 16

...to this war, which Bibi very much wants. Even with our heavy bombers and bunker busting bombs it is highly unlikely that Iran's nuclear capability will be stopped. Slowed yes, stopped no. And I suspect Israel just handed the darkest Iranian hard liners the opportunity to actually push toward a dirty bomb that can be smuggled into Haifa or some port and exact revenge by killing thousands, sickening tens of thousands more for life and making a huge area radioactively contaminated for decades. They don't need missiles that are vulnerable to capable air defenses nor a large number of warheads to release nuclear terrorism.

dhol82

(9,553 posts)
22. However, if they do drop a dirty bomb, the wind pattern will blow radioactivity
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:39 PM
Jun 16

Eastwards into Iran. Is this to their benefit?

dutch777

(4,567 posts)
42. That may be the only thing that stops them. Although I would not count on it if they can seriously hurt Israel
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:15 AM
Saturday

unc70

(6,423 posts)
23. KC tankers. Sorry for confusion
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 12:36 AM
Tuesday

I keep an eye on both types of planes. They each are strong indicators of what our military is doing.

KT2000

(21,518 posts)
18. Thank you!
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:57 PM
Jun 16

That is what I thought and am wondering why media is not talking about that. As I recall it was verifiable.

Response to KT2000 (Reply #18)

lapfog_1

(30,994 posts)
6. if anyone nukes or even MOABs Tehran
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:03 PM
Jun 16

That nation, whoever it is, will instantly become the worst nation on earth, people will immediately shun it, have nothing to do with it.

It is simply beyond the pale.

we nuked two cities in Japan, firebombed Dresden. But that was after years of declared wars and known war crimes by the aggressor fascist / military governments. And we instantly started second guessing the decision to do those things.

speak easy

(11,755 posts)
33. "Does Israel have bombers capable of delivering a MOAB?"
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 04:09 AM
Tuesday

No. MOABs are 'delivered' from B2s.

Disaffected

(5,692 posts)
39. Thanks but
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 10:59 AM
Tuesday

ISTR that large "cargo" planes such as the Lockheed C-130 were required (the bomb slides out the back door pulled by a parachute or similar) and that even the B-52 does not have sufficient room or capacity to carry one.

AloeVera

(3,091 posts)
15. It's the other madman.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:39 PM
Jun 16

With complicity from madman #1.

Israeli forces issued an evacuation order to residents of a large part of Tehran on Monday, warning them of the imminent bombing of “military infrastructure” in the area in a social media post very similar to those regularly directed at Palestinians in Gaza over the past 20 months.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/16/iran-threatens-to-leave-nuclear-weapons-treaty-as-israeli-bombing-enters-fourth-day

He will do to Tehran/Iran what he did to Gaza. Piece by piece. And no one will effing STOP him!

hlthe2b

(110,352 posts)
9. JHC. I HAVE BEEN TO TEHRAN. THis is a sprawling city of 9.7 million people/16.8 million including suburbs
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:10 PM
Jun 16

and it is bordered and literally at the foot of the Alborz mountain range, with the city's northernmost limits reaching the mountains. Specifically, Mount Tochal, a prominent peak within the Alborz, is very close to the city. Mount Damavand, the highest peak in Iran, is only 42 miles northeast of Tehran.

So, exactly WHERE are these people supposed to go? Is this a threat of conventional or nuclear attack by this ignorant, murderous moron?

C_U_L8R

(47,564 posts)
10. The G6 have an opportunity to end this madness
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:11 PM
Jun 16

Will it be Julius Caesar or Mountainhead ?

Amaryllis

(10,509 posts)
11. I heard this morning that Iran was tellling TelAviv to evac and Israel was telling Tehran to evac. So who knows.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:11 PM
Jun 16

PufPuf23

(9,455 posts)
25. The difference is that Israel has the ability to devastate Tehran and Iran does not have the ability to
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 12:49 AM
Tuesday

devastate Tel Aviv nor the ability to defend its territory nor citizens from the Israeli military.

Iran can toss some blind missiles and a few will get through. Israel already controls the airspace.

Worry about the USA being drawn into the war. What will be the aftermath?

Reportedly, Pakistan has threatened to nuke Israel. Probably a hollow threat as well.

allegorical oracle

(5,172 posts)
17. Wonder if this story is connected -- has to do with Air Force sending nuclear codes...
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:45 PM
Jun 16
Thought it was alarmist because such codes get sent out for test purposes, but --

The US Air Force has broadcast two encrypted emergency codes, typically utilized for crucial military communications, sometimes pertaining to nuclear command and control.

The initial Emergency Action Message (EAM) was aired on Saturday, exhibiting a complexity far beyond the standard signals that usually span around 30 characters.

snip

A subsequent communication was issued on Sunday, this time extending to 290 characters, again through the US Air Force's High Frequency Global Communications System, reports the Mirror US.

snip

"An Emergency Action Message (EAM) is a coded U.S. military communication, often for nuclear command or critical operations, sent via the High Frequency Global Communications System," Grok AI clarified for users.

"It could signal a complex operation or be a routine test, as both are common. Without decryption or official statements, its significance remains speculative."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-air-force-sends-out-nuclear-emergency-codes-as-ww3-fears-rise/ar-AA1GNXBz

ananda

(32,362 posts)
20. He's playing at being the war president.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:07 PM
Jun 16

He loves playing the tough guy with nukes.

He tried it the first term, but Mark Milley
stopped him.

C_U_L8R

(47,564 posts)
32. He's an offended narcissist who is lashing out
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 03:44 AM
Tuesday

World leaders ignore and ridicule him, a majority of the country marches against him and his own birthday pageant turned into a pathetic dribble of a parade. We're all going to pay the price because little lord Donald is butthurt.

ananda

(32,362 posts)
38. He's always been a petty, vindictive asshole...
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 09:11 AM
Tuesday

who thinks the bully, mob-boss posture makes
him worthy of being the king of the world.

He IS a Hitler wannabe, but he and his minions
are utterly incompetent and stupid.

They can and will do a lot of harm, but if our nation
rises up against them en masse, I don't think they
would stay in power for long.

I'm surprised they've lasted this long. I would think
that even the rich and powerful who have propped
him up in their own self-interests now realize that
nobody's interests are served now.

This level and kind of destruction is harmful to
everyone, nobody excluded.

LudwigPastorius

(12,730 posts)
24. I think he knows something about Netanyahu's plans.
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 12:41 AM
Tuesday

If Israel drops a big one, his half-assed "warning" gives him a tiny bit of distance between such a heinous act.

Bibi's calculus might be, "we're never going to have a more pro-militant supporter in the White House, so we may as well go for a kill shot against Iran now".

NH Ethylene

(31,164 posts)
28. Was he trying to make himself relevant? Seem important? Claim the limelight?
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 01:06 AM
Tuesday

What he did was chime in with Israel, which seems to place the US in a partnership with Israel in the conflict.

Or maybe he heard that Iran was backing down and wanted to be able to claim a victory for himself.

NBachers

(18,655 posts)
29. "by executive decree, that a State of War now exists between the United States and Iran.
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 01:14 AM
Tuesday

Furthermore, to unite our nation and silence dissent, I am declaring Martial Law. Armed Forces and National Guard have been mobilized in our largest cities, and resistors will be rounded up and taken to locations where they cannot betray us.”

C_U_L8R

(47,564 posts)
31. Without Congressional approval
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 03:39 AM
Tuesday

Or funding. The system is broken by complicit republican fools.

thought crime

(392 posts)
37. Is Trump playing, or is Trump being played?
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 05:31 AM
Tuesday

The fatal flaw of authoritarianism is that the leader’s whims are realized. Changing the Kennedy Center’s agenda to show that the Right likes the “right” kind of art or music is one thing, but creating a nuclear crisis is quite another. Trump loves to play the extortionist against weaker opponents, bullying and blustering until he gets some result. The very best scenario is that he’s doing that now. But it looks more likely that Trump himself is being extorted by Netanyahu and he is simply not qualified to deal with it.

spanone

(139,413 posts)
41. Well trmp, you scuttled that nuclear deal 'they should have signed'
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 11:17 AM
Tuesday

In May 2018, President Trump announced the United States' withdrawal from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), often referred to as the Iran nuclear deal.

FUCK YOU don

milestogo

(20,975 posts)
43. Do Iranians read Truth Social?
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:19 AM
Saturday

What a ridiculous way to communicate with a foreign country.

Later on he'll say "I was just kidding about the evacuation."

travelingthrulife

(2,728 posts)
44. They DID have a nuclear deal. Trump cancelled it in his first maladministration.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:54 AM
Saturday

I believe this has been the long term plan. To 'force' Iran to develop a weapon so they have an excuse to annihilate them.

Brainfodder

(7,438 posts)
46. Weird dynamic? Make a strong play, get them to negotiate and then take THEIR deal?
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:04 AM
Saturday

Threats without threats to get a deal on Iran oil is the long game?
Then TACO shows up and takes 1st offer?

IS he taking bribe money in huge amounts under the table on these "deals" and then just gives them their good for them deal, not giving 1iota how it plays out, he got his cut?
Is that all he really is doing?

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