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BeyondGeography

(40,498 posts)
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 05:16 PM Jun 17

Marshall/TPM: No one on the inside of US foreign policy has any foreign policy or military crisis experience

…in the last 48 hours or so, we’ve gone from the U.S. being pretty clear it will not get involved beyond defensive assistance to Israel in blocking missiles and drones to the situation this morning, in which it seems like the U.S. may be very close to joining the Israeli bombing campaign. And this isn’t just a case of “the more, the merrier.” Only the U.S. has the combination of bunker-busting bombs and strategic bombers that make it plausible to destroy or disable all the key facilities that make up Iran’s nuclear program.

It is important to note that the U.S. has very good reason to make Iran think it may be about to do that. So it may be a ruse. We don’t know. But I think it’s very possible that the U.S. is on the verge of a major, major military campaign that it wasn’t considering at all just a few days ago and that we may be doing that more or less solely because Donald Trump is jazzed about and attracted by the idea of “winning.” And Israel is now “winning.” So he wants in.

It’s important to step back and recognize that there is really, literally no one in the inner discussion of U.S. foreign policy today who has any level of foreign policy or military crisis experience at all. That’s a big statement. But I think it bears out. The two heads of the U.S. intelligence apparatus have zero experience in intelligence work. The head of the Pentagon is Pete Hegseth and he appears to have surrounded himself with lackeys. Marco Rubio is both Secretary of State and National Security Advisor. He did focus to a degree on foreign policy in the Senate. But he’s never been involved in any national security crisis. He’s never worked in the executive branch. Even the people who are hardcore Trumpers but had some real level of foreign policy experience, like Keith Kellogg, now have other assignments. Kellogg is envoy to Ukraine. The current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs isn’t a career Army Officer. He spent a significant amount of his career in the Reserves. (I don’t think at least — but not certain on this point — that he ever served on the Joint Staff.) The point is that there’s really no one in the room, as it were, who is in a position to keep the President from just riffing. And I think there’s a decent chance that’s exactly what’s happening.

More at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/thoughts-on-israels-iran-campaign-and-donald-trump#more-1521443
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Marshall/TPM: No one on the inside of US foreign policy has any foreign policy or military crisis experience (Original Post) BeyondGeography Jun 17 OP
We'll have to rely on Donald Trump's instincts. Jim__ Jun 17 #1
If anyone has gut instincts, it is the big guy. erronis Jun 18 #10
Well this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. WestMichRad Jun 17 #2
You know, morons. twodogsbarking Jun 18 #3
They are simple people. People of the land. Ray Bruns Jun 18 #4
I have a still pic of the point when he just starts to laugh. On my bulletin board. twodogsbarking Jun 18 #6
Not only does he dream of being Generalissimo Despot Guy, he has been publically and soundly humiliated twice in 4 days Attilatheblond Jun 18 #5
WE... the whole world... are his "cast of millions" slightlv Jun 18 #17
How much radiation gets released when nuclear facilities are bombed? Lonestarblue Jun 18 #7
I was thinking about that too. ananda Jun 18 #8
It is abysmally stupid to bomb a nuclear facility, but to address your question, the radiation... NNadir Jun 18 #9
Tra la la maxsolomon Jun 18 #11
His voters are the Morons-in-Chief BeyondGeography Jun 18 #12
Hey, you're talking about my Dad. maxsolomon Jun 18 #13
Mine too, Max BeyondGeography Jun 18 #14
Well, we lasted until Reagan - because I couldn't vote until 1981. maxsolomon Jun 18 #15
AND it is being reported DENVERPOPS Jun 18 #16
That means the weapons load will include CBUs BidenRocks Jun 18 #18
They don't have crisis experience but they sure know how to cause them. mdbl Thursday #19

Attilatheblond

(6,425 posts)
5. Not only does he dream of being Generalissimo Despot Guy, he has been publically and soundly humiliated twice in 4 days
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 10:15 AM
Jun 18

He's gotta be WWIII mad and looking for the 'feel better about myself' diversion that always eludes him. No matter what great Trump production he comes up with, it never makes him feel better and always get others hurt or killed.

Saw a video where he said he was really a 'movie maker'. Dipshit should have gone into making movies and leave the rest of us out of his delusional fantasies of adequacy.

slightlv

(5,910 posts)
17. WE... the whole world... are his "cast of millions"
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 07:05 PM
Jun 18

in this un-reality show of his. He directs us as he "rules" us as king. He's emperor of the world, in his mind.

Lonestarblue

(12,717 posts)
7. How much radiation gets released when nuclear facilities are bombed?
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:20 AM
Jun 18

This could be a catastrophe for Iranians living near the facilities. Not that Trump and his sycophants would care.

ananda

(32,405 posts)
8. I was thinking about that too.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:27 AM
Jun 18

I think about it with Ukraine too.

These crazy criminal leaders just don't seem
to understand any kind of danger that goes
beyond the pale... since that kind of danger
impacts them and their people as well.

NNadir

(36,071 posts)
9. It is abysmally stupid to bomb a nuclear facility, but to address your question, the radiation...
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 12:25 PM
Jun 18

...releases would depend to a large extent on what kind of facility was hit.

If it was an enrichment plant, radiation levels would be minor. A reprocessing plant would be more serious.

The former Soviet plutonium production plant at Mayak is probably the most radiologically contaminated facility on Earth. They had a major chemical explosion in the 1950s that spread radiation widely, and after that they disposed of fission products in a lake lacking an outlet. The lake remains hot.

Russia is still there.

It does seem that people living in the area did over the long term exhibit excess mortality with certain cancers, notably leukemia, with excess deaths numbering in the hundreds.

It is very unlikely that the Iranian nuclear program if it even exists is on the scale of the Soviet program in the 1950s, but that said, starting a war out of childish impetuosity is appalling with or without radiation risks.

maxsolomon

(36,747 posts)
11. Tra la la
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 01:26 PM
Jun 18

Not a damn thing any of us can do about it. The wisdom of the American People put this monster clown and his toadies in complete control of the US govt.

His tweets at Iran are an abomination.

maxsolomon

(36,747 posts)
13. Hey, you're talking about my Dad.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 02:47 PM
Jun 18

But yes.

Any time NPR platforms a Trump voter, I'm just stunned by their ignorance and start yelling at the radio. Last one I heard was an African American Woman whose kids were just about to be cut off Medicaid. Said she had always voted for Democrats, but she still had a lot of faith in Trump.

BeyondGeography

(40,498 posts)
14. Mine too, Max
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 02:48 PM
Jun 18

We started fighting during Watergate and it pretty much went downhill from there.

maxsolomon

(36,747 posts)
15. Well, we lasted until Reagan - because I couldn't vote until 1981.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 02:51 PM
Jun 18

My Dad has never voted for the same person for president as his 4 children.

DENVERPOPS

(12,747 posts)
16. AND it is being reported
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 05:40 PM
Jun 18

That Putin is amassing Russian Troops on the Finland/Russia Border..........

Yeaaaa Haaaaaa MF

BidenRocks

(1,709 posts)
18. That means the weapons load will include CBUs
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 07:57 PM
Jun 18

Canister Bomb Units, Cluster bombs.
Ukraine uses those effectively against the russian invaders.

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