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Beastly Boy

(12,994 posts)
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 07:07 PM Jun 17

Merz: 'Israel is doing the dirty work for all of us by striking Iran, lacks necessary weapons'

German Chancellor Friedrich Merz told German radio, on Tuesday, during an interview at the G7, that by striking Iran, Israel was doing "dirty work" for everyone. Merz said in relation to the strikes on Iran, "That is the dirty work that Israel does for us all."

"I can only say I have the greatest respect for the fact that the Israeli army and the Israeli government had the courage to do this," Merz continued.

Merz reiterated that for years the Iranian regime has plagued the region with terror and that this terror would only be more possible with nuclear weapons.

"Israel lacks the necessary weapons; the Americans have them." Merz continued. He followed by saying that if the Iranian regime had been willing to negotiate, then further military intervention would not have been necessary.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-858086
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Merz: 'Israel is doing the dirty work for all of us by striking Iran, lacks necessary weapons' (Original Post) Beastly Boy Jun 17 OP
I thought Iran was negotiating with the US at the time? Eko Jun 17 #1
I am posting the words of the German Chancellor. Beastly Boy Jun 17 #2
This has been going on since April. Eko Jun 17 #4
I cited the German Chancellor just now. Beastly Boy Jun 17 #7
Not if it makes them more inclined to get one. Right? Eko Jun 17 #8
If it's Iran you are talking about, Beastly Boy Jun 17 #9
I answered your question fully. If you dislike the answer then that is not my fault. Eko Jun 17 #11
Since Iran cannot possibly become more inclined to get a nuke than they are now, I will take it for a yes, then. Beastly Boy Jun 17 #16
Its easy enough to understand, not sure why you dont get it. Eko Jun 17 #17
There is only one thing I don't get: who told you that we can all agree on the impossible? Beastly Boy Jun 17 #19
It's always possible for people to be more motiviated than before. Eko Jun 18 #20
Sure, we'll be "greeted as liberators" maxrandb Jun 17 #10
What I find interesting is the 800 pound gorilla in the room... Saudi Arabia..SA and Iran hate each other.. mitch96 Jun 17 #15
Merz is 100% correct. Much as I dislike Bibi comradebillyboy Jun 17 #3
Saying what many leaders can't or won't madville Jun 17 #5
LOL - As if the "other" Middle East countries aren't pursuing their own nukes maxrandb Jun 17 #12
Which other ones have active nuclear programs? madville Jun 17 #13
Sure Jan maxrandb Jun 17 #14
There's another way to deal with the Fordo problem Renew Deal Jun 17 #6
The work being done, and on whose behalf it's being done, is definitely dirty, that's for sure. jcmaine72 Jun 17 #18

Eko

(9,441 posts)
1. I thought Iran was negotiating with the US at the time?
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 07:24 PM
Jun 17

And once again do you realize you are posting the words of a right wing German politician?
"The Christian Democratic Union of Germany is a Christian democratic and conservative political party in Germany. It is the major party of the centre-right in German politics. Friedrich Merz has been federal chairman of the CDU since 31 January 2022, and has served as the Chancellor of Germany since 6 May 2025."

Beastly Boy

(12,994 posts)
2. I am posting the words of the German Chancellor.
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 07:44 PM
Jun 17

Like it or not, he represents Germany and its people at the moment.

And I don't believe Iran was negotiating with the US "during an interview at the G7", as the article states.

Eko

(9,441 posts)
8. Not if it makes them more inclined to get one. Right?
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 08:10 PM
Jun 17

Or do you think Israel has the capability to destroy the Fordow plant?

Beastly Boy

(12,994 posts)
9. If it's Iran you are talking about,
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 08:18 PM
Jun 17

I have to chuckle at the proposition of Iran getting more inclined to get a nuke or ten than they are right now.

But still, it's a good thing that they are months away from getting a nuke, no? You seem reluctant to address the subject for some reason...

Eko

(9,441 posts)
11. I answered your question fully. If you dislike the answer then that is not my fault.
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 08:21 PM
Jun 17

Just in case you need that answer again here it is.

Not if it makes them more inclined to get one. Right?
Or do you think Israel has the capability to destroy the Fordow plant?

Beastly Boy

(12,994 posts)
16. Since Iran cannot possibly become more inclined to get a nuke than they are now, I will take it for a yes, then.
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 09:52 PM
Jun 17

It's a good thing. Simple enough to just say it out loud.

Eko

(9,441 posts)
17. Its easy enough to understand, not sure why you dont get it.
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 10:03 PM
Jun 17

You asked me if it was a good thing that Israel was attacking Iran's nuclear capability, I said it wasn't if it moved Iran to be even more inclined to do so. Since we can all agree that the attack by Israel will prob move Iran to be more inclined to do so than before the attacks I think it was a bad Idea. If you wanted to ask me if continued attacks on Iran will make them even more inclined to become nuclear capable then once again I think it would. If you wanted to ask me if future attacks on Iran will make them even more inclined to become nuclear capable then once again I think it would. No, it is not a good thing. Iran has proven that they will make an agreement to not produce nuclear weapons as they have done so before. Any current or future attacks will not push them to make that agreement it will push them in the opposite direction. Does that explain it to you clearly?

Beastly Boy

(12,994 posts)
19. There is only one thing I don't get: who told you that we can all agree on the impossible?
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 10:54 PM
Jun 17

It is not possible for Iran to be more motivated to have nukes than they are right now. They have been pursuing nuclear weapons for at least a decade. They do not uphold previous agreements, and they are currently violating them to pursue nukes. How can their pursuit of nukes be more motivating after they pay a heavy price for pursuing nukes? The ayatollahs may be insane, but not to the point of doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.

Sure you can think whatever you want, but don't pretend reasonable people will agree with you.

But I think I got your position on the nuclear Iran: it's a bad idea to destroy their nuclear infrastructure, but only in the event that what you, for no apparent reason, presume to be plausible turns out to be the outcome of a campaign to rid the biggest supporter of terrorism in the world of any possibility of producing nukes for their proxies.

Given the odds, I will go out on a limb and say it's all good.

Eko

(9,441 posts)
20. It's always possible for people to be more motiviated than before.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 03:52 PM
Jun 18

You are acting like people have a dial that can only turn their motivation up to a certain amount. People strap bombs to themselves and walk into crowds blowing themselves up, I certainly think they can be willing to work on nukes while their country is being bombed and more motivated the longer the war goes on. As for my thinking that we can get Iran to stop working towards getting a nuke history proves me correct.

maxrandb

(16,677 posts)
10. Sure, we'll be "greeted as liberators"
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 08:20 PM
Jun 17

Last edited Tue Jun 17, 2025, 09:49 PM - Edit history (1)

Look around at how "smashingly" things went in Afghanistan and Iraq. Why, it will be as "great" as the Arab Spring.

Have your children or grandchildren run down to the recruiting station yet?

I have no love lost for the religious nutbags ruling Iran, but at least I have some "skin in the game" when it comes to calling for "regime change" in faraway foreign lands.

Not to worry! I'm sure Bibi and Donnie Dipshit have a detailed plan.

mitch96

(15,329 posts)
15. What I find interesting is the 800 pound gorilla in the room... Saudi Arabia..SA and Iran hate each other..
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 09:37 PM
Jun 17

Not a peep from Saudi Arabia that I can hear...SA is no fan of Israel but, hey, they took out Irans nukes that would eventually land on them..
Just a thought...
m

comradebillyboy

(10,794 posts)
3. Merz is 100% correct. Much as I dislike Bibi
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 07:46 PM
Jun 17

and his settler movement allies, he and the IDF have done the world a favor by attacking Iran and smashing its proxies Hezbollah and Hamas. I am especially pleased that the German Chancellor is conveying this message to Europe and the rest of the world.

madville

(7,809 posts)
5. Saying what many leaders can't or won't
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 07:59 PM
Jun 17

No one wants a nuclear armed Iran (except maybe North Korea), even most of the other Middle Eastern countries. I imagine many of the powerful ME countries are secretly quite pleased about all this.

Maybe Iran will think twice now since they’ve been exposed as basically defenseless, before they continue to fund and arm Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, etc. Probably not but they know now that Israel can bomb them at will with no resistance.

maxrandb

(16,677 posts)
12. LOL - As if the "other" Middle East countries aren't pursuing their own nukes
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 08:23 PM
Jun 17

Thank God the "House of Saud" is safe.

madville

(7,809 posts)
13. Which other ones have active nuclear programs?
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 08:49 PM
Jun 17

Saudi Arabia is a member of the NPT so they’re not actively developing anything, no reports to indicate otherwise. What other ones besides Iran have active programs?

jcmaine72

(1,818 posts)
18. The work being done, and on whose behalf it's being done, is definitely dirty, that's for sure.
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 10:04 PM
Jun 17
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