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****Breaking**** Karen Read : Not Guilty Of Second Degree Murder Charge (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Wednesday OP
Happy verdict yankee87 Wednesday #1
Recommended. H2O Man Wednesday #2
There's a really good documentary odins folly Wednesday #3
Right. H2O Man Wednesday #7
You're right, ATF... odins folly Wednesday #12
The two H2O Man Wednesday #13
Good, ethical verdict obamanut2012 Wednesday #4
I, for one, believe she is guilty. Partially because of her smug attitude and fakeness. I do not believe evidence sinkingfeeling Wednesday #5
I, for two. But am uninformed. UTUSN Wednesday #10
I would suggest H2O Man Wednesday #11
good WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #6
My wife has been following odins folly Wednesday #8
I kept on hearing the name but had zero knowledge about what the case was about. Tommy Carcetti Wednesday #9

H2O Man

(76,984 posts)
2. Recommended.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 03:27 PM
Wednesday

Fascinating case. At first, I assumed she was likely guilty. As the first trial unfolded, it was clear the prosecution could not prove their case beyond a reaonable doubt. The "investigation," headed by a burned out investigator, was corrupt. It seems clear that Ms. Read did not kill him. The sad thing is that we will never know what actually happened.

I assume that the FBI's interest in the case was part of a wider investigation into police corruption.

odins folly

(399 posts)
3. There's a really good documentary
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 03:42 PM
Wednesday

Called A body in the snow about the first trial. I think the FBI interest was due to an ex agent being in the house he was found dead outside of.

H2O Man

(76,984 posts)
7. Right.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 03:46 PM
Wednesday

Actually, Higgins was a current ATF agent at the time, rather than FBI. But there is no evidence the FBI investigated his potential role. They focused on if Ms. Read's vehicle hit John O'Keefe. The firm they hired documented that she did not hit him.

sinkingfeeling

(55,632 posts)
5. I, for one, believe she is guilty. Partially because of her smug attitude and fakeness. I do not believe evidence
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 03:44 PM
Wednesday

was planted.

H2O Man

(76,984 posts)
11. I would suggest
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 03:55 PM
Wednesday

that if she was guilty -- and as I wasn't there that night, I do not know -- that there was still evidence planted. Proctor was burned out, as his texts document beyond a shadow of a doubt. He took his friends' word, before going to the scene. He was furious because he was convinced that Ms. Read had killed a cop. And he wanted a sure conviction, hence the evidence that he and the police chief planted.

This is merely my opinion. I base it not only on the evidence presented at both trials, but also from studying such instances of police corruption from 1966 on. It is never a case of a large number of police involved in a conspiacy -- it is always two or three, who are trusted by their co-workers. (The same would apply to those inside the house, if he was indeed attacked there. It would not be 30 people in on a conspiracy. Two or three.) More, the arm wounds could not have been from the vehicle. Having been attacked by a German Shepherd when I was ten, I recognize the pattern. Again, just my opinion.

odins folly

(399 posts)
8. My wife has been following
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 03:46 PM
Wednesday

After we watched the documentary. Our bet was he had had an affair with the wife in the house, went in looking for more while Karen waited in the car. He was attacked by the dog (that they promptly got rid of) and got the shit kicked out of himself then thrown out in the front yard with the hopes the snow plow would cover up the cri.e. when the plow didn't hit the body they had to blame someone.
The whole BS about "she killed a cop" drove negative public opinion even though they had no real evidence and just made up speculation.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,986 posts)
9. I kept on hearing the name but had zero knowledge about what the case was about.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 03:49 PM
Wednesday

And not enough interest to look into it.

So, in other words...

Too Long, Didn't Read.

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