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[Scrivener7]

1. Oh, FFS. Deja vu. And we never learn.

[Prairie Gates]

9. LOL

The answer is no.

[BannonsLiver]

2. Had Obama decided to act militarily to dismantle their program I'd feel much more comfortable about US involvement.

It's clear that there is absolutely nobody in the current Trump cabinet who possesses the necessary competency, and I have to assume the military leaders advising him are bottom-of-the-barrel incompetents as well, given that he or someone in the cabinet has selected them for that role. It's C teamers (or worse) across the board which is deeply concerning.

[Delarage]

7. This is what gives me pause

Iran is an oppressive terrorist state that is helping Russia fight in Ukraine (by cranking out drones for them) and its subsidiaries regularly target American soldiers and sailors. So I'm on board with taking out their nuclear program. But the fact that Trump usually endorses only evil plans makes me worry.

[Strelnikov_]

15. Very good points

[ck4829]

4. Certainly can't be because there's a neighbor that will lob missiles at you if they find you trying nuclear power

[brush]

26. Yep, it's debatable which is the rogue state...the one doing ethnic cleansing...

in Gaza or the one that just got attacked...unprovoked...sorta like Putin did to Ukraine.

[msongs]

5. because Israel is constantly blowing up things in iran?

[SSJVegeta]

6. If Iran was building a nuclear weapon, theyd have one by now.

And Israel wouldnt be bombing them if they knew they had one.

[Prairie Gates]

8. Make any reply you want

This thread will never see the OP again!

[crim son]

10. I read the opposite,

that Iran has stated that, if they want to build nuclear weapons, they are going to build them. Someone upthread mentioned the instability in the region. I don't want Iran to have nukes but I admit, if I were in their position, I'd want to be able to defend myself.

[LuvLoogie]

36. trump has nukes

[Crunchy Frog]

11. I agree. I feel like this is a boil that needs to be lanced.

In spite of how messy it's likely to be.

[choie]

30. Great, are you going to enlist?

[Crunchy Frog]

32. Congratulations! That's what all the Putin trolls on Xitter say

whenever they respond to a post that's critical of russia. You don't happen to live in St. Petersburg do you? Anyway, well done!

[choie]

34. The truth hurts.

You are just like those who advocated invading Iraq in 2003, remaining comfy in their recliners while American forces were cannon fodder. Not to mention a million Iraqis murdered. Armchair warriors.

[sarisataka]

12. Gabbard is now considered a reliable source

Obama, Sarkozy and Brown less so

From the second link-

“We never saw any, any inconsistency,” Albright, who has combed through the documents, said of Iran’s push to develop nuclear weapons. “It’s hundreds of thousands of pages. I mean you just can’t make that amount of stuff up. I don’t think anyone challenges it, and that’s probably why there is an (IAEA) Board of Governors resolution against Iran.”

[Torchlight]

13. What are your practical suggestions to solve this concern?

[jmowreader]

14. Trump exists

The United States government has built several "fortified underground fortresses under mountains" that have nothing to do with nuclear weapons, like Command Post Tango in Korea.

I'll come right out and say it: I believe Iran is trying to become a nuclear-armed state, and since no one will sell them any they have to make their own.

Iran ALSO knows Donald Trump is president of the United States and he spends all the time he's not making speeches, writing tweets, eating hamberders, profiteering from his office or playing golf trying to develop a moderately-plausible casus belli for attacking Iran. As such, they need a contingency headquarters for the government that can't be taken out by Tomahawk missiles.

[2naSalit]

16. Some civilizations...

In the past have sought refuge underground from any number of threats. Perhaps they are making a place of refuge for their people.

[EX500rider]

24. Funny thing though you see, they filled it up with centrifuges, not people nt

[Straw Man]

17. I'm sorry, but the contention that Iran is NOT trying to build nuclear weapons ...

... ranks up there with the Easter Bunny.

[AZProgressive]

21. Netanyahu has been claiming that Iran was close to a nuclear bomb for 30 years

They were also in negotiations with the US before Israel attacked them like they were when they made a deal with Obama which Netanyahu was against at the time.

[AloeVera]

27. Pfft. Facts. Who needs them?

Bomb bomb bomb - bomb bomb Iran!
Sung by John McCain years ago.

[Straw Man]

38. They have probably been WORKING on one for 30 years.

Netanyahu has been claiming that Iran was close to a nuclear bomb for 30 years

"Close" is a subjective adjective. Of course it was in his interest to claim that, but how close is an open question.

I agree that the Obama deal probably caused them to move their program to the proverbial back burner, but when that was shitcanned by Trump, why wouldn't they restart?

[mopinko]

18. no idea if this is true-

someone i follow on fb says seismographs detected something that cd b an underground test. take it for what it’s worth. seems like a good source who often has contrary evidence to what’s being peddled elsewhere.

i have no doubt they want them, r working on them, and wd love to lob them at israel. it’s their publicly stated goal to wipe out the jews. they’re major funders of hamas, as well as every terrorist group in the region.
i wouldnt wait around for them to do that.

[beaglelover]

19. Of course they are trying to build a nuclear weapon. Do some people really not believe that?

[Blue Full Moon]

20. We gave them the nuclear and no they don't have weapons

[NickB79]

22. It's well known that Iran has a stockpile of 60% enriched uranium

The IAEA has confirmed this as well. Weapons grade is around 90%.

Commercial nuclear reactors only require 5% enriched uranium. The only reason to enrich this far is for weapons production.

The only question is how close Iran is to a bomb, not whether or not they're trying to build one.

[LexVegas]

25. They aint building any nukes any time soon after what Israel did to them. nt

[meadowlander]

28. Of course they are building nuclear weapons. The question is whether bombing the shit out of the civilian population

and overthrowing their government is the way to get them to stop.

[ILikePie92]

29. I believe

....that in the last few days, Israel answered your question.

[brush]

31. God, from many on this thread you'd think Iran bombed the shit out of Israel.

[sir pball]

33. Honestly, it's irrelvant. Iran has been 6 months from a bomb for 20 years now.

They have the fissile material, the enriched uranium and/or plutonium - once any reasonably industrial state has that, actually building a bomb is a relatively simple exercise that shouldn't take more than half a year. Nuclear weapons are no longer a dark art, the basic plans are available on Reddit…the only hard part is getting the fuel.

Iran doesn't have a bomb because they don't want to make one, not because they can't. Japan could also have one in six months but nobody is complaining about them…

[GaYellowDawg]

41. Japan and Iran are not comparable..

Frankly, it's insulting to Japan to try to lump the two together.

[0rganism]

37. Maybe because fortified underground fortresses are cool?

I mean, if i were an evil overlord running an authoritarian theocracy, or an authoritarian country of any kind, or even just me in 5th grade, I would definitely want a fortified underground fortress. Seriously. That's gotta be in the top 10 reasons to even be an evil overlord, or a generic Bond villain, in the first place. A lot of the evil stuff you have to do is repetitive and lame, but the underground fortress is where you get to be creative. Bonus points if you build it in an active volcano.

[Seeking Serenity]

39. "Luxemburg's the next to go, and who knows, maybe Monaco.

We'll try to stay serene and calm
When Alabama gets the bomb!"

[GaYellowDawg]

40. So.

1. Israel is a rogue state in the midst of genocide.

2. Iran is a terrorist state run by nihilistic religious fanatics who should never, never have nuclear weapons.

Both can be true.

I do not support the United States being directly involved in this war, or lending financial or logistical support to it. Let them fight it out. Maybe the last nation standing will be too weak to commit resources to genocide or supporting terror groups. I was going to say "will be peaceful" but the region will be blood-soaked as long as the Abrahamic religions exist.

That said, because fundamentalist Christianity is a death cult whose only use for Israel is as a tool to end the world, doesn't mean my opposition to them includes supporting Iran. If Israel can wipe them off the map on their own, I won't shed a tear.

[Cerulean Southpaw]

42. nonsense

#1 is only true if you're using the HAMAS-inspired definition of the word "genocide". Israel has welcomed outsiders since Israel has existed, giving them voting-rights and even the right to hold positions in government. When anyone calls Israel "genocidal", it's the biggest :rolleyes moment ever.

On the other side of the coin, Iran has made it a mission-statement to destroy Israel and exterminate the jews.

Israel isn't always "the good guy", but it's sad how some people want to act like they're always "the bad guys", and then support anyone who opposes them. It's just hopping on a bandwagon of murderous hate.

[Jit423]

44. They are hiding all the "yellow cake" some nameless country told us was being used in Iraq after 9/11.,

If your were indiscriminately being bombed with some of the most sophisticated weapons on earth, wouldn't you dig deep to protect valuables and perhaps prepare national shelters to protect your energy resources?

[EX500rider]

45. And yet the only stuff they have moved under ground is their nuclear weapons program.

[womanofthehills]

46. Wrong - they have underground "missile bases"

The underground missile bases store their ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and launchers - according to Groc.

Iran also has underground air and naval bases.

[EX500rider]

47. Underground missile bases would be part of their nuclear program IMO

I was responding to this quote:

"wouldn't you dig deep to protect valuables and perhaps prepare national shelters to protect your energy resources?"