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JMCKUSICK

(3,269 posts)
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 04:18 PM Jun 20

Let me preface everything I'm about to say with the following:

I don't have a solution, this is more of a warning.

The masked and unidentifiable agents of "The Government" is part of programming us. Unaddressed, this will become "normal" and the next steps will ensue. As in more indiscriminate violence, enemy of the state arrests will rise, and country wide "Battalions" strategically located in blue cities to intimidate and enforce whatever edicts come from down on high.
We aren't six months into this presidency, and I assure you, by its first anniversary, we won't recognize America even compared to today.
My question for legal eagles is this: Do the people scooped up in these raids have any standing to sue? The backdoor question which I find more interesting if the answer is different, does a citizen have any standing to sue since it could be local, state or federal 4th? Amendment issues?
Why isn't there an effort in the courts to unmask these people, to if nothing else, determine whether the individuals making the arrests are even lawfully permitted through licensure or deputizing to carry them out?
Asking for at least 12 million friends.
I'm sorry in advance if I'm missing something grossly obvious here lol.

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Let me preface everything I'm about to say with the following: (Original Post) JMCKUSICK Jun 20 OP
great questions. THe mask thing REALLY frightens me. CurtEastPoint Jun 20 #1
Me too! JMCKUSICK Jun 20 #3
And no ID of agency or person! SheltieLover Jun 20 #4
Thank you SheltieLover JMCKUSICK Jun 20 #6
Ty, John SheltieLover Jun 20 #7
Like the Klu Klux Klan back in the 1800s and early 1900s. This sh*t needs to stop. n/t iluvtennis Jun 20 #10
Me, too... slightlv Jun 20 #11
"Don't let the bastards grind you down", The Handmaid's Tale.... wcmagumba Jun 20 #2
This! 👆👆👆👆👆👆 SheltieLover Jun 20 #5
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum. CurtEastPoint Jun 20 #8
I heard it long ago. usonian Jun 20 #14
I'll pick one: "Do the people scooped up in these raids have any standing to sue?" erronis Jun 20 #9
Your last sentence is where it all falls apart slightlv Jun 20 #12
Hear, HEAR ZDU Jun 20 #13
I live in a very blue state, (Illinois) but..... JMCKUSICK Jun 20 #15
Understood. 100% ZDU Jun 20 #16
Were you in favor of masked FED agents a year ago... 5 years ago? 10? WarGamer Jun 20 #17

SheltieLover

(72,131 posts)
4. And no ID of agency or person!
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 04:47 PM
Jun 20

Where are the warrants?

Who are these supposed "officials?" I'm guessing ptince's mercenary goons & J6 insurrectionists. Jmo.

Great points you raise, John!

JMCKUSICK

(3,269 posts)
6. Thank you SheltieLover
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 05:03 PM
Jun 20

BumRushDaShow posted this a couple of hours prior to mine but it still doesn't address the question.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143482553
although in his comment post, he sure gave grounds for one of those suits. (I think it's comment #2)

slightlv

(6,192 posts)
11. Me, too...
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:01 PM
Jun 20

I know if some masked person tried to grab me and drag me away, I'd be fighting for my very life (which, no doubt, I would be). But read today here when some 30 yo male did just that and is now being held for attempted murder of a LE officer.

In these situations, there is only loss. If you don't fight, you're whisked away to parts unknown. If you fight, you die. What's the difference? If you're gonna die, I say go out fighting...

wcmagumba

(4,457 posts)
2. "Don't let the bastards grind you down", The Handmaid's Tale....
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 04:27 PM
Jun 20

The phrase "Don't let the bastards grind you down" is a key motto from the novel and TV series The Handmaid's Tale. It's a form of resistance against oppression in the dystopian world of Gilead. In the story, the phrase is initially found carved into the closet of Offred's room, a message from a previous Handmaid. It's a Latin-inspired phrase, "Nolite te bastardes carborundorum," meaning "Don't let the bastards grind you down".

erronis

(20,745 posts)
9. I'll pick one: "Do the people scooped up in these raids have any standing to sue?"
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 06:21 PM
Jun 20

This presupposes that the individual is in any capacity to contact the US legal system. From what I can tell, the detention is done with no legal notification - outside of the normal criminal process.

It also implies that the individual is still alive. Not "disappeared" as in the US shock doctrine destruction of South and Latin America.

Current proposed legislation in front of the US Congress would make any individual trying to sue the US government have to post funds sufficient to cover all court costs before the suit can be filed.

slightlv

(6,192 posts)
12. Your last sentence is where it all falls apart
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:04 PM
Jun 20

and they grab you with the proverbial Catch 22. Say... you have legal standing to file, but only if you put up all the money in advance before suing. Who among us has that ability? I dare say, if you do you're a rare breed around here! It ALWAYS comes down to money with this devils.

ZDU

(613 posts)
13. Hear, HEAR
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:14 PM
Jun 20

I am in full agreement with you. I reside in a very conservative, red state. This is not my home nor where I want to be. I am here for one thing. Employment. I have been looking for a new position since early this year. I do not feel safe and feel less secure as I consider the next 100+ days

JMCKUSICK

(3,269 posts)
15. I live in a very blue state, (Illinois) but.....
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:49 PM
Jun 20

I live in a county that voted Trump 83% so when it comes to local effect, we in the same boat ZDU

WarGamer

(17,590 posts)
17. Were you in favor of masked FED agents a year ago... 5 years ago? 10?
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 08:43 PM
Jun 20

Ubiquitous Fed agents in masks is now over 10 years running.

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