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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have to say that an anti gay bigot in one of the most high profile cabinet positions is a problem
when one remembers that while DADT has been repealed, it wasn't replaced with legislation permitting gays to serve openly. The details were left to the Administration and, of course, the Sec of Defense. I think we need to find somebody else. Surely there must be someone who doesn't hate gays who can do that job.
Zache
(1 post)He's not going to do anything Obama doesn't want.
And given his endorsement of several Democrats after he left office, I presume he was pulling an "Arlen Specter" and simply doing whatever allowed him continue as a senator in a very conservative state.
But maybe I'm a bit more forgiving to perhaps the most dovish secretary pick in a long time.
blm
(113,061 posts)And I say that as someone who would NEVER give him a break when he was in the senate. Those opposing Hagel now are doing so BECAUSE he has become less of a hawk over the years.
dsc
(52,162 posts)simply for being gay. No, he actually appointed that candidate. No, Bill Clinton didn't oppose ENDA, he instead came within one vote from passing it in 1999. No, Bill Clinton didn't oppose the hate crimes bill, he begged the Congress to pass it. To my knowledge, Hagel has not uttered one single solitary word taking back any of those stances. It is because of Mr. Hagel that I, and any other gay person in this (not meant to be exhaustive list) of states can be fired tomorrow simply for being gay. FL, GA, SC, NC, VA, TN, ARK, MS, AL, LA, TX, OK, KS, NE, ND, SD, MT, ID, UT, AZ, and Alaska. So, no, Mr. Hagel is not the same as Mr. Clinton. On edit, his lack of hawkishness is a plus but it doesn't, without a direct, "I was wrong" apology, doesn't outweigh this.
for an answer to the above.
though I think Hell will freeze over before I get an answer.
blm
(113,061 posts)and the Clinton who also advised Kerry to back anti-gay state measures in 2004.
Hagel has been a changed man in many ways since that helicopter downing. I think you should give him a chance to BE that changed man that some of us noticed.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)cheers
dsc
(52,162 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:14 PM - Edit history (1)
did not cover the subject of gays in the military when they discussed/interviewed Hagel for the Cabinet post?
forestpath
(3,102 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)i do think he should be asked about it and his current position on gay rights during the hearings.
dsc
(52,162 posts)that said, if he says "I was wrong and my views have changed" he could be considered.
yardwork
(61,619 posts)There was not a single Democrat qualified to be Secretary of Defense?
I think that this is a mistake.
dsc
(52,162 posts)depending on the post, but I need to hear this man say "I was wrong" before I would even consider this appointment.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Putting his liabilities in order of distinction. Didn't he actually steal his Senate seat?