We really shouldn't pay any homage to Bob Dylan here anymore

[wolfie001]

After seeing another hagiographic homage to Bob Dylan again in the Musicians forum, I have to respond. Second time around. I think he pulled the lever for tRUMP in Nov. 2024. Working with Dennis Quaid, a rabid tRUMP supporter. I guess Ice and censorships and anti-LGBTQ and women dying in parking lots (the list is a mile long) is quite OK with the crowd he sidles up with. Others here say he's apolitical. "He's above the fray." Oh really? Rayguns was total shit. I'm a retired Union Boomer and I saw the whole thing go down. I say BS.

[wolfie001]

1. *Just a quick note:

"The Fence" old bobby is singing about with his garbage-disposal sounding voice are the ICE Fences. N'est-ce pas ?

[Captain Zero]

2. First I knew. I'm done with Dylan then.

He still sounds like he is singing into a bucket anyway.

I'm done as well with Eric Clapton and Van Morrison due to their anti-vax positions.

That's a lot of MP3s, I'll never listen to again.
Screw all 3 of them.

[wolfie001]

3. Thank You!

I caught a lot of flack on my first post when I questioned why he didn't say anything about the Orange Imbecile. The sh7t excuses quickly followed. "He's old." Blah blah blah. He wasn't that old in 2015. I think he just wanted to pay less in taxes like all the rich f6cks do. Cheers!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

82. Yup, the answer my friend is blowin in the wind... I'm done too!!

[wolfie001]

112. Well said!!!

[Fiendish Thingy]

4. Doesn't bother me a bit

And doesn’t lower my respect for Dylan at all.

You really had to twist your logic like a pretzel on tilt-a-whirl to connect the dots to justify your contempt for the greatest lyricist of the last hundred years, and you relied in an AI overview (which are often factually wrong, as a post earlier today proved) to do it.

Give me a second to set up my cork board and get out my thread and push pins…

Trump>Quaid>Reagan>Autry&gt Cole Porter, the gay man who wrote “Don’t Fence Me In”)>Dylan= Dylan sucks

Did I get it right?

As Dylan sang in “Summer Days”:

“You’re sucking the blood out of the genius of generosity”

[wolfie001]

6. Keep denying what's in front of your own eyes

Raygun was shit and no Dem should be paying any respect to him. He "only" destroyed Unions and the Middle Class. Maybe you have wealthy parents and don't have any worries. Great for you.

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. Recording a song written by a gay man for a Reagan biopic isn't an endorsement of Reagan's evils

Your disgust is just hatred looking for a target.

Know what riles me up?

It isn’t Dylan, a musician, doing a sing for a failed biopic.

I get steamed over 16 Dem senators voting yes to deregulate cryptocurrency, one of whom, Gallego, accepted a $10 million donation from a crypto Super PAC.

I sent some of my hard earned money Gallego; in 2030, I will send money to his primary opponent.

P.S. I was a union organizer and shop steward making less than minimum wage during the Reagan era, so don’t lecture me about Reagan’s effect on workers and unions.

[wolfie001]

16. He doesn't really deserve any more accolades from us Dems

He's done less than zero supporting freedom and women's and LGBTQ Rights. How ironic from someone who's made millions from that phony image.

[vanlassie]

96. OK. I've read enough to try to discern

just what exactly is your gripe. Now I’m finished.

[wolfie001]

102. Yes, if you came to the conclusion that he just doesn't give a f6ck

[DemocratSinceBirth]

183. Google Sundown On The Union by Bob Dylan.

Give it a listen. Thank you.

[tetedur]

208. "Union Sundown" and "Workingman's Blues #2"

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Another politician pumping out his piss - "Pay in Blood"

Come Senators Congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall.
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled.
There's a battle outside and it's ragin'.
For the times they are a-changin'

"Murder Most Foul"
"Political World"
. . . .
ah shit, I used to care but things have changed.

[wolfie001]

216. I'm a Union man, worked a Union job and retired on a Union pension

BD is play-acting and role-playing to sell records. He shoulda spoke out against that fat, evil orange imbecile. I don't hate him, I just think his whole persona AIN'T SH7T!!!

[Wiz Imp]

206. FYI, Dan Lauria was in the movie playing Tip O'Neill

And he had called for Trump's impeachment. The movie was a paying acting gig for him, not an endorsement of Reagan or Trump.

Link to tweet

[synni]

66. He's not the greatest lyricist in the last 100 years

He's a nasal-whining bore whose songs are only worshipped by people who are stuck in the past.

[Fiendish Thingy]

67. If you say so

I’ll leave you to enjoy Radiohead, or Arcade Fire, or Sabrina Carpenter…

[fujiyamasan]

87. Hey, hey there's no need to group arcade fire and Radiohead

With the likes of Sabrina carpenter. Lol

[Fiendish Thingy]

122. I just picked the first three..

Highly overrated artists I could think of.

[JanMichael]

138. Sprawl 2 is an amazing song so phht.

[wolfie001]

162. RH is overrated?

Maybe you got mad when Radiohead snubbed Kanye at the Grammy's

[Fiendish Thingy]

181. I'm not mad at Radiohead

Just bored with their “music”.

[rubbersole]

142. "Please don't embarrass me motherfucker..." SC

[wolfie001]

161. 'Creep" is iconic

BD has never done anything so mind-alteringly cool as that.

[Fiendish Thingy]

179. Creep was plagiarized from the Hollies "the Air That I Breathe"

Radiohead was sued and had to share the royalties.

…and they didn’t respond to your “all hands on deck” alarm either.

[wolfie001]

233. Hey, aren't they British?

I didn't mean to get you so worked up. If "Old Bob" would just say a word or two about the most existential threat to America F6CKING EVER, I would be most appreciative. Again 👉

[TnDem]

83. Bob Dylan

@synni

He's a nasal-whining bore whose songs are only worshipped by people who are stuck in the past.

If Bob Dylan is stuck in the past, then why is your avatar of someone born the exact same year as Dylan, (1941)? Wouldn't that be the past too?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

89. I heard Bernie voted for trump too.

Pass it on.

[wolfie001]

103. This must be snark

[wolfie001]

160. lol

[DemocratSinceBirth]

184. Who are the greatest lyricists of the past one hundred years?

[DoBW]

81. My favorite live version of Hurricane. it's a work of art

Live on PBS, 1975

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[highplainsdem]

133. Brilliant performance. Thanks for posting it!

[DoBW]

186. The whole gig ....

live -- just him, 3 others, long song, a ton of lyrics ... it's ripe for failure, but they nail it

[DemocratSinceBirth]

180. He loved President Obama, talked him up at some of his concerts, and received the Medal of Freedom from him.

I can't believe he's MAGA.

[Fiendish Thingy]

182. He's not MAGA

That’s just a lie that has emerged from this thread.

[wolfie001]

213. I don't believe he's MAGA

But sitting on the sidelines and never offering so much as one word to counter the imminent threat posed by tRUMP and christo-fascism is WAY PAST disappointing. No need to grab your pearls. We are in a war at this point.

[BannonsLiver]

190. He's not

It’s just some goofy idea that the OP cooked up in the manufactured outrage machine.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

197. Send this over to the OP

https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/bob-dylan-universal-love/

[lostincalifornia]

254. He isn't MAGA, and in fact does not believe in politics or labels, and people will find he says very little about

politics, his focus is on individualism, and he is a very private person.

[markodochartaigh]

5. To me

"apolitical" when authoritarians are trying to seize power is the same as "I don't care enough to stand up for democracy".

Especially when someone has Dylan's power and privilege, made mostly from working class dollars, I might add.

"Above the fray" in the fight for democracy just means that you are perfectly willing to let others do the fighting for you.

[wolfie001]

8. Thank you!!!

I'd love to see the flea-bag apologists drummed out of here. "Old bobby" could've done SOMETHING!!!

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. It's not up to celebrities to save democracy - that's our job. Nt

[wolfie001]

17. As an American, I beg to differ

All hands-on deck.

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. You seem to think some hands are more important than others

You seem to want to tell everyone what they should do.

P.S. I’m a dual citizen- Californian by birth, Canadian by choice.

[wolfie001]

23. Saying something pro Freedom into his microphone.....

......isn't really as taxing as singing his now horribly garbled song list Right? I mean, if he gave a shit.

[TnDem]

39. re: artists

I don't listen to any artist expecting a political message. That's not why I listen to music. I listen to enjoy the music, not get the news or opinion page.

It's really not very wise of them to say much anyway, because they are going to automatically alienate 50% of their audience when they come down one way or another on a topic.

[themaguffin]

195. It can't be held against him for not speaking out. He stopped protest music nearly 60 years ago. Also...

his speaking out would make no difference at this stage. Who is he influencing? He's 80+.

The real question is - where is the protest music and comments from current artists?

[AllaN01Bear]

7. dont get me started on raygun and what he did to ca and sag aftra. took us years to recover from his bs.

[wolfie001]

11. The asshole worked hand-in -hand with Senator McCarthy for christo-psycho sakes!!!

Like, WTF! Give me a break! The list of Hollywood talent whose lives were ruined! That should've been enough. That nasty f6ck was just getting started.

[ImNotGod]

9. I remember finding out a few decades ago that he was suffering from I got mine to hell with you syndrome. nt

[wolfie001]

12. Yes! My personal, "He's a greedy asshole" detector is bleeping quite loudly

[JI7]

10. Isn't he really old ? Maybe he is too tired to do anything

Isn't this place always telling is people to get out of the way but now want this guy to lead protests ?

[wolfie001]

13. He wasn't that old when the fat orange imbecile rode the elevator down in the tRUMP Tower (2015)

He's performed how many times since? Too many in my opinion. He should just go away. His political inactivity is actually harmful.

[DBoon]

18. Joan Baez and Neil Young are really old too

That isn't stopping them from taking a public stand

[wolfie001]

148. Those 2 are great folk singers I respect!

[hlthe2b]

19. I have no Dylan worship beyond respecting his musical past; but we are upset because he allowed song in a Reagan movie?

Is that right? And because Quaid (whom I wrote off long ago) is producing or acting in it or something? And that then "proves" Dylan is a Trumper? And anti-Union?

Look, I have probably had as much time to detest Reagan as most here, but heaven knows (as an aside) we'd be better off having a Reagan TODAY AS OUR OPPONENT than Trump. Even with his Alzheimer's, he was not as overtly and intentionally destructive and dangerous to democracy (and all of us) as the vengeful, demented Trump.

So, maybe I missed something, but I've never been one to extrapolate that broadly.

That said, if it is because Dylan is politically (seemingly) silent on Trump, I'll just say that the likes of Springsteen and Neil Young will always be the examples I respect on that score. Those in that prior activist category who remain silent (unless health has robbed them of the ability to stand up at least verbally) are cowards.

[wolfie001]

21. I guess his not lifting a finger in opposition to rayguns and tRUMP is "No biggie"

I mean, the 2 absolute worse motherfuckers to ever live in the WH. Yes, you missed the whole impact. I guess we can just put our head in the sand and do a little more sane-washing. It so therapeutic. What I'm trying to say is, "F6ck Bob Dylan!"

[hlthe2b]

24. You did not read my full post, obviously because I addressed what appears to be his lack of response to Trump, BUT

you can damned well cool your heels on this because I am left taking YOUR account that he has not done so. If true and Dylan is able to speak out as Neil Young has done, for instance, then he is a coward for not doing so, as I already stated. Reagan is long dead. The issue is Trump. I don't give a GD about some moronic documentary or movie Quaid is making which will bomb like every other project he's attempted in recent years.

Show me proof that Dylan (who is NO God to me, mind you) has been pro-Trump, and I WILL appreciate that clarification. But, you have not done so thusfar, but merely smeared him by inference and that is a tactic the other side welcomes--not me.

[wolfie001]

109. I saw an interview Quaid gave discussing tRUMP and......

....would love to punch him right in his face. 👊 Same with "Skid" Rock.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

76. "F6ck Bob Dylan!"

F6ck 6.

[nocoincidences]

88. 6 is also a Cyrillic letter

/just sayin'

[A-Schwarzenegger]

90. I took it as a sub for u.

Not u, but ... 6 know what i mean.

P.S. Love your sig line, btw.

[wolfie001]

110. I have been throwing out the expletives frequently here lately

With the US being such a shitshow. Whoops, there's another

[regnaD kciN]

31. Ironically, Neil Young was a huge Bonzo fan at the time...

…although he re-pivoted back to the left in the years that followed.

[Wiz Imp]

49. Correct. Neil Young, for some inexplicable reason was a supporter of Reagan himself

Yet Neil Young has made some of the best music of the past 35+ years explicitly calling out the Fascist Republicans.

[wolfie001]

113. He probably had Union relatives that got hammered

[BeyondGeography]

227. Neil also has the advantage of being a lot more enjoyable to listen to than Dylan

Dylan has the edge lyrically (and even there not by as much as the Bobheads would have it) but Neil blows him off the stage musically.

[wolfie001]

235. I was a young idiot when 'Heart of Stone' was released

But even I picked up the negative energy from the "Rock Purists" who called him a sellout. His only US #1 hit. Neil is another Rock God! And one that I respect and admire!

[BeyondGeography]

238. I love them both but at some point I realized I listened to Neil more than anyone

He just works on more levels for me. Personal fun fact: On The Beach and Blood on the Tracks were released in successive years (‘74 and ‘75), a time when the schlock factor in American popular music was ramping up mightily. Those are probably my favorite albums by each of them. Amazing works of art both.

[wolfie001]

240. I'll have to do a deep dive

Thanks!

[Retrograde]

278. That's a matter of taste

Neil Young has written some great songs, and he's active in local charities, but his voice drives me up a wall - it's too high-pitched for my ears. I have the same problem with Brian Wilson.

[newdeal2]

20. He might be a Trumper or he might not be

My guess is he is not. It may be annoying that he isn’t as vocal but to be honest, I don’t care that much. He is not super relevant today and the more important question is: where are the young musicians and bands and protest songs? The youth doesn’t care that much about Bob.

[wolfie001]

25. "As vocal"? Really?

He ain't said sh7t. Not a f6cking word. He's comfortable with tRUMP's tax policy that only benefits the wealthy. That may be much more accurate.

[Docreed2003]

26. If there's one thing about Bob Dylan that I can assure you, or anyone else for that matter

He's not whatever you or anyone else thinks he is and you don't know his personal politics any better than I do.
Also, where's the hate for everyone else on that soundtrack? Gene Simmons? The Commodores?

Nah, let's shit on Ole Bob. .

[wolfie001]

114. I only saw Babs and "old bob"

I try to tear down JK Rowling too because she's a nasty "BEE"

[muriel_volestrangler]

191. So the thing that got you so hopping mad was a thread that just mentioned Dylan's name

when quoting the title and content of an AP story about Streisand's new album. That's "paying homage" to you? Are you saying that anyone who wants to talk about Streisand's music should censor any mention of Dylan? What would you like his name replaced with, "Comrade Ogilvy"?

Could you provide your complete list of musicians, writers, and any other public people who don't meet your purity test, so that your eyes can be spared the pain of reading their names again on DU?

Or maybe you'd be better off writing yourself a browser extension that does this, so that it's not just on DU you'll never see Dylan's name mentioned again, but in all your web experience.

[wolfie001]

224. I think BD is so far above ANY of the other musicians who performed on that "thing"

It's like jeebus contributed a song on with a group of performers. "Old Bob" stands out like a sore thumb. Oui, n'est pas? I don't hate BD, I just want a public sign of disapproval for tRUMP. A coupla words into his microphone?! Truth to power! The man is an absolute icon.

[orangecrush]

27. Just stop

[wolfie001]

117. If he ever says something to support freedom and/or Democracy and/or women's rights

and/or gay rights and/or on and on and on and on.....at least support something? Do something?

[RobinA]

199. Why Is He Obligated

to do anything? He was active in promoting democracy et al. for decades. Maybe it's his time to sit back in old age. The more relevant question is, where are the modern day Bob Dylans? Dylan is supposed to carry the torch FOREVER?

[LuckyCharms]

28. My guess would be that he does not speak out because he recognizes that

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for a person in his position, the only winning move is to not play.

What do you want from him that hasn't already been said through his lyrics?

If you're that concerned, write some songs, get them published, elevate your stardom, and shout what you want to say from the rooftops.

I'm not sure why you are telling others what they should be saying, except that this is the second time I've seen you post about your boner against Bob Dylan.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

86. OP's rant-a-thon sounds a lot more personal than political.

[wolfie001]

149. Not really. I love "Shelter From the Storm"!

The dude was at his peak at the time. I wanted to wear the cool as F hat thingy and grow a straggly beard too. Love that live version on YouTube. I'd just like to see some resemblance of concern for the shitty state of America RIGHT NOW!!!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

200. Naw, I dont think you really give a hoot about Dylan either way.

I think you're just kinda bored and s-trolling around, with great success, btw. A pointless exercise to bug us poor old decrepit Dylan fans when, to start with, it's a wonder we can even feed ourselves. Congrats, wolfie. You're having fun. Carry on, friend.

[wolfie001]

222. It's the second time I've said something about BD's silence

I also flame JK Rowling when the opportunity arises. Nothing personal. Both are successful, comfortable. BD could just put out some sound-bite or short statement about what's going on today is wrong. Do you need me to list all of the sh7t tRUMP's done? He's aware and won't speak out. That's my only gripe. And the other is, his poor voice. My god. That sound is brutal. People still buy his tickets though. Got to give him that. Are you a head doctor? Looking for signs?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

228. i feel your pain, man.

Dylan's been disappointing people his whole life, people who wanted him to be or say or do something he wasn't about to, and he kept saying he wasnt who people wanted him to be. Say this, say that, be this, be that, dont say that, dont do that, and he's like, i dont know you and i aint workin on your farm.

That's why we're still talking about him, pro and con, because he's still him, after all these years, and still saying he just writes songs and sings them and make of it whatever thy wilt...

It's pretty ironic that you keep referring to him as an icon when all he's ever said his whole life is he's nobody's icon, nobody's savior, spokesperson, leader, prophet or nothin like that at all. If there's one famous influential person in the world who consistently said fuck your expectations, all i do is one thing, it's all i know, write songs and sing them about wherever i'm at and whatever i see and feel--it's him.

Yeah, i know, all you want him to do is bla bla bla... If he ever did what you want, it wouldnt make no difference, even for you, you'd be happy for 15 minutes, if that, and then you'd forget it, or just want more from him. Imagine what it's like to be that poor fucker. .

He's like a windmill doing whatever a windmill does with the wind, and youre Don Quixote complaining that the dragon aint breathing fire like it's damn well supposed to. And the folkies still whinin when he went lectric, the atheists still whinin he went Christian, the Christians whinin when he went wherever he went next, and so on. Get in line, join the club.

Whatever you need from him, you might try and get it someplace else. Maybe inside yourself somewhere.

Still, my friend, i would never stand between a man and his lance and his dragon, so i'll say again, have fun. You may be obsessed with some elusive figure in a slippery dream, but you seem to be enjoying yourself pretty much, not really in that much serious pain at all. So yeah, carry on, do your thing, like Bob's a-doin his.

And with that, adios to this very loose thread.

[wolfie001]

232. Truly an enigmatic character!

No one else fits that description as well. And those are some witty and gracious words. Thank you!!! Cheers

[Hekate]

289. I think you have put your finger right on it

Entertainment for the bored

[Aviation Pro]

29. Guess he blew with the wind

That seems to be the answer.

[mcar]

59. There is not one iota of evidence

about Dylan’s voting records, just something the OP “thinks” because…whatever.

This is a shameless OP.

[wolfie001]

150. LOL! You're so CORRECT!!!

Feelings have to be hurt sometimes to change a dynamic that really isn't appropriate. Labelling him a free-spirited rebel is not appropriate. More like a talented, guitar playing CPA.

[flvegan]

30. "I think he pulled the lever for tRUMP in Nov. 2024"

Upon what is this based?

I'm not really a Dylan fan, but genuinely curious.

[hlthe2b]

33. Exactly. Smearing by inference... Now who else does that?

[wolfie001]

154. Sitting on the sidelines and never saying anything about tRUMP since he rode down the escalator in 2015

Is enough evidence for me. The silent rich Germans in 1936.

[hlthe2b]

171. Well, I agree that your making assumptions based on an absence of evidence is very much like the

approach taken by the NAZIs to "prove" someone's disloyalty (and Trump's as well).

That is not what we do in a democracy or even in a civil society. You want to smear this man who has been respected by millions for decades? Then go find someone who has actually asked him the question. No one should be "guilty" unless proven otherwise sans any evidence whatsoever. And that includes an ABSENCE of evidence.

This is NOT what we do. It is despicable imo.

[gab13by13]

32. It's a hard rain a gonna fall.

I haven’t been convinced to hate Dylan.

I also was a local union rep and officer for 26 years.

[Blues Heron]

34. Are we still allowed to say "chillin' like Dylan" or is that verboten too?

[wolfie001]

163. You should only use the expression after you finish filing your taxes correctly

[Texasgal]

36. I don't care

This is silly.

[wolfie001]

164. I do

You actually live in a hellhole where women are dying from pregnancy complications because docs are afraid of being prosecuted and ruined. Rich Germans in 1936 took the same approach. Look the other way. "It's not my problem."

[Mike Nelson]

37. It's always been Dylan's style...

... to go undercover with his political observations. He's more "Ballad of a Thin Man" than "Hurricane" - maybe the "bad guys" are veiled, and Rubin Carter gets explicit (Carter being a good guy)? Personally, I think covering Cole Porter's "Don't Fence Me In" for a Ronald Reagan bio film is masterful!

[Mike Nelson]

40. Hurricane

&list=RDd-aaMYo8WAg&start_radio=1

[H2O Man]

42. Bob wrote

the first eight words of "Hurricane." Then he had a writers' block. Jacques Levy, the poet at Colgate, finished it. Bob added the music.

[Mike Nelson]

45. Ah...

... Levy was far more explicit than Dylan, then!

[H2O Man]

50. Bob was close

with Rubin at that time. His writing block was from being too close emotionally. Jacques knew what type of lyrics Dylan was looking for. There is a live version of the song with Levy's original lyrics that lawyers insisted needed to be changed, which were for the LP version. The lawyers were correct, and were aware the Patterson powers-that-be would encourage a couple people to sue.

Patty Valentine did sue, because the song made her "sad." Poor thing! Put away the bottle and tell the truth, and you might cheer up. She was the daughter of a close friend of the lead investigator on the case, and told whatever lie Vince fed to her. By the time the Caruso file was finally accessed, we knew she had lied about everything she said on the stand. More, one of the first officers on the scene told me that she was a pathological liar. Really just a pathetic liar.

The lawyers were concerned Bradley would sue. Levy did make a small mistake in one lyric mentioning him. It's worth noting that after telling the truth in '74, he would no longer lie for the police and prosecutor. He paid for that. He was firm in saying that he never saw Rubin or John Artis. And that the lead detective had called the gunmen "Muslim assassins" early on. Rubin was not Muslim, and certainly not in the Nation of Islam.

Over the years, Bello swore to a total of 14 different versions of what happened that night.

It's interesting that Malcolm was murdered by two men, wearing suits, one with a shotgun, the other with a pistol. The crime Rubin and John were convicted by two men wearing suits, one with a shotgun, the other a pistol. The man who confessed on his deathbed to being the one Rubin was accused of being was in the NOI. I could go one and on!

[Mike Nelson]

57. Thank you...

... for the additional commentary. It all fits. I did know that Patty Valentine sued. I didn't know the exact outcome, but heard she did not wind up victorious. Probably, Dylan without Levy would be less explicit, as was his style, in "naming names." Columbia Records & Tapes would be very grateful. It's a good idea to disguise your targets, in lyrics.

[H2O Man]

61. It was cast

into the trash bin as soon as it was actually heard in court. Patty assumed there would be an out-of-court settlement.

[Wiz Imp]

53. I seriously doubt that

Yes Jacques Levy was a co-writer of the song and may have written the majority of the lyrics. But there are lyrics in that song that are pure Dylan. I think it is ridiculous to think he had no part in the lyrics other than the first 8 words. From what I've read, it was a true collaboration and both writers contributed to the lyrics of the song.

[H2O Man]

60. Here's a clue:

One of us knew Rubin, and worked with his defense. One of us still has massive files on everything connected to Rubin's case. One of us can tell how much was raised at the benefit concerts.

Then there is you.

[Wiz Imp]

64. Interesting that Jacques Levy himself has seemed to contradict your claim

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/lyrically-speaking-decoding-bob-dylans-hurricane/

As Levy would later tell Clinton Heylin: “Bob wasn’t sure that he could write a song [about Carter]… He was just filled with all these feelings about Hurricane. He couldn’t make the first step. I think the first step was putting the song in a total storytelling mode. I don’t remember whose idea it was to do that. But really, the beginning of the song is like stage directions, like what you would read in a script: ‘Pistol shots ring out in a barroom night…. Here comes the story of the Hurricane.’ Boom! Titles. You know, Bob loves movies, and he can write these movies that take place in eight to ten minutes, yet seem as full or fuller than regular movies.”

[H2O Man]

65. Er, not at all.

One of us knew Jacques.

Then there is you.

[Wiz Imp]

94. 🙂‍↔️😏🙄

Whatever

[H2O Man]

106. It's okay.

There are people I know who got a guitar and learned some early Dylan before their fathers let them grow their hair long. And people have always wondered what Dylan or Lennon were saying, and relating to their songs in ways the artist may or may not have had in mind. Some think they can recognize their works, even when they were not the authors.

Obviously, Bob wanted to have a song that told "the story of the Hurricane." And with Levy, they came up with a great song. Scarlet Rivera's violin is amazing. "Desire" was Bob's biggest selling LP at least at the time.

[wolfie001]

99. Maybe you can get Charlie Kirk to autograph some memorabilia from the "masterful rayguns doc"

[Hekate]

38. Good gravy

Just let it go

[H2O Man]

43. There would seem to be

numerous other much more important things to focus on. I suppose there may actually be less important things, too -- I just can't come up with examples.

[sheshe2]

93. IKR!?

I think the answer...

The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind

[wolfie001]

104. When he's covered in dirt, I'll forgive him

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Didn't lift a finger or say a word while women ARE STILL dying in nazi-repuke-run states in hospital parking lots. Is that OK by you?

[Samael13]

41. I think thats a leap

There's nothing I can really find about his politics today just about his past politics in the 60s. So I'm not sure it's fair to paint him as a trump supporter when he hasn't said anything public about supporting him

[TheProle]

44. Bob Dylan owes you nothing

[wolfie001]

100. And he can go fuck off. Oh, and JK Rowling too

Hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings. She's another wealthy nasty a-hole.

[TheProle]

132. Nah, to have hurt my feelings

I’d have to have been emotionally invested in your post.

The goalpost move to include Rowling is amusing. If this fails to gain traction, perhaps you can include Hitler and Satan to try and bolster your silly premise.

You come on back and let us know when you’ve accomplished a mere fraction of what Dylan has as a social critic, a steward of the folk tradition, a poet and a seminal figure in American, and specifically progressive American, culture.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

135. Thank you.

[wolfie001]

145. Don't care if it "gains traction" here

If someone reads it and does a bit of research, they can find out for themselves how hateful and bigoted she is. She's such a "poor, put-upon" billionairess. Very pukeworthy.

[Hekate]

288. Then why are you beating it to a bloody pulp? What the hell? Are you going to hang around telling us about ...

…all the famous people you hate-hate-hate to bits?

Yeah, I guess you are.

[BannonsLiver]

46. I love things that are unintentionally hilarious.

10/10

[Mike 03]

48. Thanks for the reality check.

I didn't want to call that post "ridiculous" and risk breaking a rule.

[Fiendish Thingy]

71. Speaking of unintentionally hilarious...

This thread reminds me of this song:

?si=v6BogJ6RhISU66jW

They’re everywhere I tell ya!

Ya kin tell they’re Trumpers ‘cuz they don’t say nuthin’ about him!

[BannonsLiver]

143. I just keep imagining the OP having this conversation with somebody.

“Yeah, the world is on fire. Trump is destroying our democracy. Our social safety nets are being decimated. Things are very grim, But have you heard about some of the shit Bob Dylan has pulled lately? He contributed a cover song for a low budget biopic on Ronald Reagan that nobody saw. It’s unconscionable!”

[wolfie001]

158. I just visit DU and vent

I spare my family. They know where I stand. We have no f6cking idea where BD stands. Oh, have you heard? He's a free-spirit and rebels against conformity. And can balance the books on a musical empire. Of course, he has no time to be concerned with the state of America. That is currently burning to the ground.

[BannonsLiver]

205. Bless your heart.

[wolfie001]

214. lol

I do feel a bit better calling out this icon who should've just said something.

[BannonsLiver]

256. Can't wait to see the next totally irrational takedown!

More! More!

[wolfie001]

267. C'mon man? lol

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[BannonsLiver]

269. No seriously!

I’m fairly certain I saw Mr Rogers smile once at Nancy Reagan in 1983. Go get him!

[wolfie001]

270. That astrological cray cray?

Image the scene with her sitting down and some fruitcake reading the stars to her. I mean, what a freaking lunatic. Was that ever done in a movie or teevee documentary? Bill Kurtis narrating?

[BannonsLiver]

271. You need to go after Fred Rogers Wolfie!

He was a pubby in sheep’s clothing! Go get him now! No homage allowed!

[fujiyamasan]

92. I gotta admit this thread has me chuckling

[BannonsLiver]

137. It's even better when the lead is nuttier than squirrel shit.

[wolfie001]

151. I'm just happy you read it and maybe see some of the disconnect associated with his public persona

Kind of like KK presenting as a legal scholar.

[BannonsLiver]

209. Oh I see plenty of disconnect alright.

[wolfie001]

215. Again, lol

If people just think a second and go, "You know, why didn't he just say a word about all the 'HARD MAGA-SH7T RAIN THAT'S A-GONNA FALL'. Song reference included.

[Mike 03]

47. It's very hard to believe the man who wrote "Caribbean Wind" and "Brownsville Girl"

would vote for this, but of course none of us can know unless he were to tell us. And look at the other musicians he has apparently had friendships with--from Jerry Garcia and Tom Petty to Sam Shepperd, Joan Baez and Bruce Springsteen (on "We are The World" and ""Sun City" Artists Against Apartheid project).

So I'm doubting Bob Dylan voted for Trump.

[wolfie001]

152. Would be nice if he presented a shred of insight

Definitely living an enigmatic existence.

[Itchinjim]

51. Wolfie who?

[BluesRunTheGame]

54. Judas!

[wolfie001]

153. Well now you know!

I go after that foul old bag JK Rowling too. Just a heads up

[BluesRunTheGame]

52. I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table and say...

…Townes Van Zandt is the greatest living songwriter.

Wait a minute…

We haven’t heard Townes Van Zandt’s take on the current political situation.

Uhm…Townes is dead? Did Dylan kill him?

Damn.

Somebody get a loyalty oath from Steve Earl.

This shit is getting out of hand.

[Fiendish Thingy]

70. And what about Ersel Hickey?

He hasn’t spoken out against Trump either, so he must be one of ‘em

[BluesRunTheGame]

74. It's gonna be a pretty long list.

And while we’re at it, I don’t believe we’ve heard a loyalty pledge from Wolfie in the last hour or so.

[Fiendish Thingy]

75. What!?!?

This is an “All hands on deck” situation!!!

[BluesRunTheGame]

77. It's possible that he's Ted Nugent's bass player...

…and has a secret crush on Kimberly Guilfoyle. How we gonna know if he doesn’t deny it?

[Fiendish Thingy]

78. It must be true, because I read it on the internet...

…you just typed it, making a thought into reality, just like that.

[wolfie001]

217. Really, if you're an artist and having spoken out publicly about the nazi tRUMP regime.....

....at one time or another, then you are sh7t. No exceptions. tRUMP is f6cking America and these celebs are way too comfortable.

[OC375]

55. Purity Control

I'm sure I'd fail a purity test for all the selfish, misguided things I've done in my life. If Dylan is some sort of standard for defining an enemy, we must surely have alot of them by now.

[wolfie001]

231. A simple sentence, something

We're basically at war with RW christo-fascists. He could do SOMETHING!!! He's still performing for christ's sake.

[Mysterian]

56. Bob Dylan is an asshole with no principles

Fleeced the hippie crowd to make a living, that's all he did.

[TnDem]

85. Sure

They all "fleeced the hippie crowd"...Jefferson Airplane sued each other, others cried over royalties, blah, blah.

Money runs the world, including old hippies.

[Mysterian]

95. Not all of us

Not nearly all of us.

[wolfie001]

121. The whole story behind "The Band's" royalty contracts

Some really got hosed. Others made off like bandits.

[wolfie001]

98. THANK YOU!!!

Toady worshipers idolizing him. Failed "hipsters" steeped in some "I'm such a rebel" fantasy as they drive to work everyday and punch a clock. That is, if they have a steady job Don't worry though, "old bob" sure has a steady income stream with those "golden" garbage disposal vocals

[mcar]

58. You think he voted for FOTUS?

You have no clue who he voted for or if he voted, but you trash an American legend because of something “you think?”

Sometimes I do not understand this place.

[Wiz Imp]

62. There is Zero evidence Bob Dylan has ever supported Donald Trump

On the other hand, he did sort of implicitly endorse Barack Obama in 2008.

"Poverty is demoralizing,'' he said. "You can't expect people to have the virtue of purity when they are poor. But we've got this guy out there now who is redefining the nature of politics from the ground up — Barack Obama. He's redefining what a politician is, so we'll have to see how things play out. Am I hopeful? Yes, I'm hopeful that things might change. Some things are going to have to."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5014367&page=1

It appears his last "political" public statement was about George Floyd's murder and came in a 2020 interview with the NY Times:

​“It sickened me no end to see George tortured to death like that,” Dylan told the newspaper.

“It was beyond ugly. Let’s hope that justice comes swift for the Floyd family and for the nation.”

https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/music/news/bob-dylan-interview-new-album-rough-and-rowdy-ways-george-floyd-a9563356.html

[Fiendish Thingy]

68. Don't let truth and reality get in the way of a vigorous recreational outrage session. Nt

[wolfie001]

239. Everyone with any amount of empathy reacted as BD did to that murder

Nothing unique about that. tRUMP supporters were bombarding their message boards and Facebook accounts spreading all kinds of lies about Floyd. Of course he should've said some words about that whole debacle. Here's my thing, he needs to say something about the fat orange sh6tbag in the WH and the threat he is to American Freedom and Democracy. If not, then all of his self-righteous songs mean nothing. "If I Had a Hammer" is now more than ever. That's all I'm saying. And contributing to raygun when raygun and his henchman edwin meese broke student skulls in the '60s and yet he still helped out with that stupid raygun homage project. That's pure unadulterated horsesh6t. Just my take.

[Wiz Imp]

242. As if your previous rantings weren't enough, you just showed how serious anyone should take anything

you say about Bob Dylan by saying he wrote If I Had A Hammer.

How about you allow everyone else who disagrees with you to have their opinion and not worry about what they think? I counted 73 separate posts by you in this thread with almost all of them repeating the same thing over and over. That is some massive over-the-top obsession there. What's the point? Nobody is telling you to change your opinion but for some reason you can't accept that the vast majority of people disagree with you. Big deal. Who cares if people disagree with you? Just let it go.

[wolfie001]

244. I guess it's just too hard on the feels

There there. It'll be OK. The raygun history is even bigger than the fat orange imbecile, really. People should have called him out in the early '80s when the rich were stealing Union Pensions. He's not directly responsible of course, but he should've said something. Again, 'Just Blowing in the Wind' See a pattern of someone who doesn't GAF?

[Wiz Imp]

246. 75. Sad 🙄😖😱🤯🤐

[wolfie001]

247. Well, you read this thread

That was my goal. I loved the engagement even if I ended up with a couple of bruises. 'Times are A-Changin'

[TinyBlueDot]

63. I wish we didn't learn about their politics

I wish those that did not share their political views while they are becoming famous would keep their views to themselves, like Elvis.

[wolfie001]

156. Dude was drugging himself and working with Nixon's anti-drug campaign

Hilarious open-field fumble whilst sprinting for the goal line.

[egduj]

69. He's dead to me!

But I really thought he already was.

[themaguffin]

194. Yeah, I don't care about this silly original post and will continue to listen to Dylan's music.

[wolfie001]

265. Maybe one of his handlers will read the post and he'll say a word or two

Won't happen but one can hope! I don't hate the guy. He's great. Again, just say a word or two. Elton John singing at that nasty racist Rush Limpd7ck's 4th marriage is another nightmare sell-out. I won't go into that one at this time.

[themaguffin]

284. I think that it's stupid that he would be involved in the Reagan movie, but it's not enough to fume about.

[highplainsdem]

72. It's silly to assume Dylan voted for Trump. Also silly to cite a hallucinating chatbot like Google's AI

Overview. Silly to ever consider it as a source.

This may come as a shock to you, but it's possible to be friends with someone without sharing their political beliefs. Joe Biden showed us that, again and again.

I appreciate the good things Dylan's done, the good music he's given us. I don't like all his music and definitely don't worship him. But I think it's ridiculous to condemn him if he isn't saying exactly what you want him to say.

[SheltieLover]

73. Agreed

[wolfie001]

107. What you fail to grasp is the totality of the situation in the US right now

Nothing is the same. The change has been the elimination of many freedoms we used to take for granted. All is not the same. He could've said or done something and not acted like everything's just swell.

[Fiendish Thingy]

124. What about the surviving Beatles? And Yoko?

Why aren’t you condemning them too- they haven’t spoken out either.

[wolfie001]

146. 2 Brits and a Japanese person? Why can't we focus on "old bob the rebel-free spirit"?

Oh, and John Lennon was killed by a white male who probably votes for tRUMP, or would if he had the opportunity.

[Fiendish Thingy]

178. They all live in the US

And at least Yoko (that “Japanese person”) for sure is a citizen.

[wolfie001]

236. I'm still miffed on how she broke up the Fabulous 4!

[highplainsdem]

131. What I "fail to grasp"? You've been here nearly as long as I have, but have posted only 1/10 as much.

Most of what I've posted has been in LBN and GD, much of it OPs about news. But you assume I don't know what's going on in the US, just as you assume Dylan voted for Trump.

I see you didn't even respond to Wiz Imp's reply to you, reply 62, with quotes from Dylan praising Obama, and saying he was sickened by what was done to George Floyd. Of course those were real quotes that don't fit with your self-righteous rant against him.

[wolfie001]

237. Thanks for noticing!

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I was doing my Union scut work (for around 40 years). Now retired. I just read posts. My original account was from right after the 2000 debacle and I was wolfie00 at that time. Computer ignoramus skills allowed that account to get vamoosed. I don't have the sole intention to attack BD, he could just say a word or too about that fat fraud SA-abuser, conman racist POS. Something that can be interpreted as helping fight back against the worst thing that's happened to America, EVAH!!! Pardon me but get it through your thick skull please I'll go back and respond to that post too and say some sh7t about rayguns and his breaking student skulls on Cali University's with that fellow piece of shit Edwin Meese. That was in the '60s. BD was at his peak around that time. He saw that sh7t yet he contributed to a project that venerated raygun. That makes zero f6cking sense. A disconnect. Does BD have Alzheimer's?

*edits were made

[highplainsdem]

241. "Pardon me but get it through your thick skull please..." That kind of nasty personal attack shouldn't be

pardoned. It looks worse with the emoji you followed it with.

I don't intention to attack BD

You've been attacking him all through this thread, and just did again with that Alzheimer's crack.. Starting with attacking him for supposedly voting for Trump when you have no reason to believe he did that.

And you contine to personally attack people who disagree with you.

[highplainsdem]

249. It's clear you think your nastiness is cute and that you enjoy baiting people. Your kind of behavior

isn't okay even if you claim, "These are not normal times and we shouldn't be acting normally."

Posts like yours do nothing for any liberal cause, and you're probably reminding more people why Dylan should be admired than you're turning people against him. But you're getting a lot of attention for yourself, which is apparently what you really want.

[wolfie001]

252. Let's see

"They go low, we go high!" Right? How'd that work out? Hmmmm. Give me your address and I'll send a nice greeting card. If you're gonna come to this thread, I'm just gonna respond. I have the time AND I have the will to engage. I do not hate a single person of the Democratic "Faith". I do hate repukes and I will attack them in a vicious manner and never apologize. Anyhoo, hope you have a good day and be well. And I do mean that.

[chia]

79. An OP that's an AI summary? No thanks.

I'm gonna have to add some words to my ignore list.

[Keepthesoulalive]

80. I have no dog in this fight

I don’t allow my babies to fight. He wrote one of the most influential songs during the civil rights movement. Sam Cooke supposedly said that’s a song i should have written, it sparked the song A Change Is Gonna Come. Some of the lyrics were changed so he would not offend the white audience but we are now fortunate to be able to hear it as it was originally written.

[elleng]

84. OH fer ch's sake!

Today hasn't been bad ENOUGH???

[Renew Deal]

91. Really?

Life is easier when you don't insert politics into everthing.

[Tarzanrock]

97. This song seems highly appropriate.

&list=RDNI-8V-qp5bw&start_radio=1

[scipan]

101. You've. Got. To. Be. Kidding. nt

[Jack Valentino]

105. NOT EVERYONE can be Bruce Springsteen..... !

But I'm not about to dump Dylan's legacy music on such scant evidence as this...

If he IS making some mistakes now, he's damn old now, too,
and people sometimes begin to do some strange things at that age,
(and some do that a lot younger)---

but it doesn't undo a musical legacy which has given me joy and strength
to fight the good fight.

[Skittles]

115. these lyrics remind me of every MAGAt I know

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To see you

[wolfie001]

165. Bruce is a fearless hero rebel

Props to him!

[gab13by13]

108. Here's another Dylan song that predicted today, listen to the lyrics

?t=14

[MarineCombatEngineer]

120. One of my favorite Dylan songs, along with this one:

[MarineCombatEngineer]

111. So here's my take,

I don't give 2 fucks what a musician's politics are, if I like the music, I'm going to listen to it and comment on it here and anywhere else despite what some anonymous person on an internet chat board says.
I like Dylan, I'm from his generation, I also like some of Ted Nugent's music despite him being a complete asshole, a musician can be a dickhead but still put out good music, I also like Eric Clapton and several other RW rock musicians and that's the way it is.
If you don't like it, well, tough, get over it, there are much, much bigger problems in this country and the world than what a musician's political bent is.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

116. So I guess that we should now smear the late Tom Petty because he used Confederate flags

at some of his concerts even though he was a HUGE supporter of Pres. Obama?
At least according to your logic, that would be the thing to do right?
This fucking place sometimes.

[wolfie001]

119. If he were still alive right now, I think he would've retired that flag

I hope you're not driving around with one hanging from the back of your truck?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

123. Maybe, maybe not

but the fact remains that he often used that flag as a back drop for his concerts. like this one:

[wolfie001]

125. That's from 1985 or so

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That would be 40 years ago. How do you think Petty would've reacted to tRUMP? Would he have played at Mar-a-Lardo like Skid Rock?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

126. I don't know and neither do you, after all, he is dead, so he can't say whether or not he would.

This has to be one of the most moronic threads here in a while and just to clarify, I'm certainly not calling you a moron, I'm calling this thread moronic and uncalled for, there is no proof that the great Bob Dylan is a supporter of RW politics and I will continue to post and comment on any musician here and elsewhere despite what you may think of them.

[wolfie001]

147. Corrected my spelling. lol

I will always go after BD because he just slides by and doesn't give a shit. Many rich Germans in 1936 did the exact same thing. Didn't want to rock the boat. Didn't want to offend a mass-murderer. I guess you're just not too concerned about all of the suffering tRUMP is causing. I'm gonna act and you read my post. That makes me happy. You've at least thought about it. Just like the 4th wall in a Mel Brooks movie. "Break the Fake"

[Tommy Carcetti]

174. He already did, long before his death.

https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/tom-petty-on-past-confederate-flag-use-it-was-downright-stupid-177619/

[gab13by13]

118. There is a tell who hates Dylan

Go to Wiki and Google the part about Dylan being awarded the Nobel Prize in literature and see the list of red necks who were outraged that a Hippie was given such a prestigious award.

I grew up in the 60's, played in a band even. In the 60's people were pretty much either long hairs or whiskey people. I hung with both but long hairs were my preference. I think the whiskey people were early stage Magats.

[wolfie001]

166. Maybe when he read and saw the hate, he shied away instead of speaking out against it

A great man would have stood his ground and argued back citing facts and evidence. Not disappearing.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

134. So what if he's a rich dude,

he got there on his talent, he earned it the hard way, not like Been A Dick Donald who was born with a silver dick in his mouth thanks to daddy.

[LastDemocratInSC]

128. And he switched from nylon strings to steel strings...

on an electric guitar in 19 sixty something, what an infidel.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

129. LOL!!

I see what you did there.
Satire at it's best.

[Kali]

185. !

[NBachers]

130. You do you. I'll do me.

[wolfie001]

167. lol

Glad you read the post. Many great insights.

[Ilikepurple]

136. You found way to distract a certain demographic from criticizing others as nonsensical or kooks

At least for a moment. Archie! They’re coming for Dylan. Circle the wagons Edith and bring none of that dingbat music you listen to. Ah, those were the days.

[wolfie001]

168. God, that show was so great!

Sammy Davis Jr. was on an episode.

[GenThePerservering]

139. I've always thought Dylan was over hyped

but he has a right to contribute to any projects he likes.

[comradebillyboy]

140. Purity Testing Bob Dylan? Give me a break!

[wolfie001]

170. Just wondering why he hasn't thrown anyone a "life-preserver".......

.......during this long-drawn out sinking of the great ship USS America. Taking freedom, justice and some sense of fairness with it.

[delisen]

141. Dylan never claimed to be a revolutionary.

He wrote songs that resonated with people hungry for revolutionary change for a more just and peaceful world.

He wrote about what he felt and thought, It resonated. That was his contribution.

[wolfie001]

144. I grew up during his era. That IS NOT how he was presented in the media

He was given "the persona" of a true, well-intentioned open free spirit who rebelled against the establishment. That was a PHONY AS F6CK CON JOB! He was a musician who organized his music and knew how to handle the music business. He had beaucoup talent in the early part of his career. Zero "rebel" in real life. He basically was a talented CPA who could play guitar well and had a voice until about 1988. Some "rebel"

[gab13by13]

157. I grew up in the 60's, played in a band even.

Were you a long hair or a whiskey people?

Our newest Democratic head of the Oversight committee, Garcia, was a Republican in his younger days, because of Reagan.

Oh dear, what should we do about that?

[wolfie001]

159. I of course would welcome any former republican that turned Democratic

More have gone the other way because of $ and opportunity. I think that's why BD keeps his mouth shut. The $ and opportunity.

[johnnyfins]

155. I know that this thread is about Bob

and his contribution to this Reagan movie. The thing is, it doesn't matter. Quaid is going to absolutely SUCK as Ronald Reagan. And the movie will SUCK because of it. That's my prediction.

[wolfie001]

169. I didn't even realize the movie hasn't come out yet

I wrote off "Queeg" when he spoke positively about tRUMP. He's a POS to me forever.

[BannonsLiver]

188. It's already been released, like a year ago.

I haven’t watched it but I’m sure you’re right that it does suck.

[Wiz Imp]

201. The rating for the movie on rotten tomatoes is 18%

It was nominated for 6 Golden Raspberry awards and won for Worst Supporting Actor for Jon Voight

So yes, the overwhelming consensus is it totally sucked.

[wolfie001]

220. That will keep me smiling ALL WEEK!!!

Thank you! Voight's another one! What a stupid, deluded has-been.

[Doodley]

172. For the OP and those who agree, where do you shop? Which supermarket? Which online stores?

What home improvement store? Where do you buy your clothes? What internet browser do you use? What phone, TV and wifi service providers do you have? What postal services do you use? What brand of gas station do you use? What air conditioning do you use? What car do you drive? I'd love to know if there's any hypocracy there.

[wolfie001]

219. I shop Union grocery

I deleted my Target account. I get my gas at my Union grocery gas station. I drive a Mazda Mirage that gets 41.5 mpg. I pay about $16 a month on gas. I stopped buying bullshit on Jan. 20th. Only spend $ on family needs and I've lost 50 lbs. since Jan 20th. I've prepared and leaned down for the oncoming sh7tstorm. I fit in the suit I got married with in 1998. Feel better too. I guess it's motivated me to call out phony as f6ck hypocrisy. How's that?

[Doodley]

223. That's very impressive! Everything you wrote, including losing weight and the wedding suit still fitting! Congrats!

[wolfie001]

225. Love that!

Thank you, kind friend! Cheers

[MineralMan]

173. He had me at "Masters of War"

When I was 16 years old. Case closed.

[Torchlight]

175. I'll probably just keep separating the art and the artist

otherwise, I'd never listen to Wagner or Clapton either.

[GoneOffShore]

226. I stopped listening to Clapton when I realized he doesn't just 'appropriate', he steals.

[wolfie001]

234. Bayreuth Wagner?

That's interesting. I love that reverberating theme from 'Lohengrin'! I does inspire you! Hopefully, not to do something bad like you-know-who.

[paleotn]

176. No one can be apolitical anymore. Not now.

In the face of open fascism, that’s bullshit. Hate to sound like dubya but there’s no middle ground.

[Tommy Carcetti]

177. Not everyone's going to be an activist.

That's just how it is.

[Happy Hoosier]

187. IMO Bob Dylan has always been over-rated and a bit of an asshole.

Went to see him live a couple years ago because a buddy reall wanted to go and didn't want to go alone. It was a terrible show. He mumbbled through the set.... completely unintelligible. ZERO interaction with the crowd. He came out, sat on a stool. PLayed the set list, left. The crowd enthusiastically greeted him. They didn't get anything in return.... not even a wave. As you might expect, the crowd's enthusiam plummeted. Most lifeless live performance I've ever attended.

Meh.

Not a surprise to me that he has drifted right.

Fuck 'im.

[BannonsLiver]

189. Update: The comments are equally unintentionally hilarious!

“I didn’t know that he had drifted right.”

“I’m done with Dylan then.”

“Bob Dylan is an asshole with no principles.”


😂😂😂😂

[themaguffin]

192. Oh ok everybody someone on the Internet "thinks" something about Dylan, so go burn your records. Oof.

[betsuni]

193. Yeah, if Bob comes around here wanting any homage he can pay for it himself.

[Blue_Adept]

196. This was certainly a way to kill a few minutes during lunch

This all just feels like a personal beef than anything founded in logic.

anyone can post whatever they want, but good gravy your time in this with all the replies would have been better spent calling or emailing your senators and reps about various issues. It'd register more than what you're posting here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

198. He should e-mail his representatives about his animus towards Bob Dylan.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

203. Why stop with an email?

If he really cared he'd be out protesting! Boycott! Burn Dylan's records and CDs and MP3s! Build an effigy and kick it!

Start a revolution, dammit!

[Tarzanrock]

204. It would probably be more helpful ...

discussing it while reclining on his psychiatrist's couch.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

243. What if he did it simultaneously?

[wolfie001]

221. Not really personal. Ironically, I loved the man when I was younger

He was a god! A true rebel! Redefined the whole music scene. I just want to hear some empathy in response to all the hate coming out of that fat orange imbecile's mouth and all of his fire-eating cult of supporters. Also, glad you invested some time in this thread! I can't believe the response! I know I've been flamed a bit, but I also read some agreement, so people know it's not OK for these celebs to just not say anything. So much wrong is going on. So much sane-washing bullsh7t. That isn't acceptable anymore. Cheers

[Tarzanrock]

202. Dylan 'overhyped' -- yeah, sure!

Let's see anybody (any writer, any poet, any author, any rock star, any screenwriter, any lyricist -- anyone) take out a pen and a writing pad and create poetry like this:

Last Thoughts on Woody Guthrie (Live at Town Hall, New York, NY - April 1963 - Official Audio)

?list=RDqnWXunQhLXY

Dylan was 20 or 21 years old when he authored this masterpiece. Anybody who knows jackshit about poetry or who ever took a high school or college class on poetry or creative writing immediately recognizes this as a timeless poetic masterpiece -- the equal of any great poet.

[wolfie001]

263. I never said he was over-hyped

Dude is a musical icon. Changed the course of music history. That's more of a reason to speak out today. Even if only ONE WOMAN had died in a right-wing 3rd world state of a pregnancy gone bad. Even if only one child had died because of that fat orange imbecile cutting off food and medical aid to Africa, even if only one old person was kicked to the curb (and dies) because of Medicaid cuts, and on and on and on. Bob Dylan, the old Folk Hero Icon? Not a f6cking peep. Nothing. Nada. It's not right. He should say something. We're talking millions of people are going to die because of tRUMP'S policies. Sounds more like Hitlerian numbers to me. But go ahead, cut him some slack, and put your collective heads in the sand.

[Wiz Imp]

207. I guess we need to boycott Anthony Hopkins as well

After all, he "paid homage" to a horrible evil President by portraying Richard Nixon in a biopic. He also portrayed a brutally evil serial killer in Silence Of the Lambs. And of course, Trump apparently loves Hopkins' portrayal of Hannibal Lecter as he is obsessed with him and always calls him "great". Never mind that Hopkins, like Dylan, keeps his political opinions to himself.

He did say this:

Trump, who is now the official GOP presidential nominee, has repeatedly referred to the character at rallies, usually during parts of his speeches when he demonizes immigrants.

“As if he is real?” Hopkins asked during a conversation that was ostensibly about his upcoming project “Those About To Die.”

“I didn’t know that,” Hopkins continued, reportedly while laughing. “Hannibal, that’s a long time ago that movie. God, that was over 30 years ago. I’m shocked and appalled what you’ve told me about Trump.”

but that's far from a repudiation of Trump. Of course it probably gives a hint at where he stands just like Dylan's support for Obama and his comments on George Floyd's murder give a strong hint where Dylan stands (Hint: it's not pro-Trump)

[wolfie001]

218. I got "a hint" for you:

Why the f6ck hasn't he said, "This is wrong what he's doing!" and then go right back and sing his garbage disposal sounding lyrics. See? That wouldn't be so hard. Right?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

211. I liked his work with Johnny Cash.

[DFW]

230. Johnny Cash left us too early to work with him, but we stole some of his DNA just in case

We injected our singer with it a couple of times, and it worked out pretty nicely:

[thought crime]

212. Dylan can't be categorized. Don't Fence Him In. Just Listen.

[wolfie001]

268. I listen to U2 and they seem involved. Many others too

They've all been attacked by RW hatchet people, but they still do good work. Why not say or do something while you're still around? Let the world know that what tRUMP is doing is so wrong. Really, the point that the US is at right now is a true existential threat to the planet. On many levels.

[Joinfortmill]

229. Original post is a 'stretch' by any definition.

[Bettie]

248. At this point, if listening to Bob Dylan gives someone

a minute or two of happiness or hope, then they should do it.

Things are getting bad. Really bad, really fast.

They broke our country in less than six months.

Bob Dylan isn't my thing, but if it gives someone some happiness, I'm all for them having that one little moment.

[wolfie001]

250. Of course

I just showed a YT clip of his to my son. I do expect some engagement with the real world and its' current state. That's all.

[Heidi]

251. This has really become a "Look at meeee!" clusterf*ck.

Aren’t you—the OP—edgy, calling out an 84-year-old artist who has influenced/inspired more people to take action than you’ll ever even *meet* in your lifetime. But you get on with your bad self, hon. Whatever fills you up—and that’s clearly what this thread’s about.

[highplainsdem]

253. +1,000,000

[BannonsLiver]

255. The complete lack of self awareness is the best part.

[Heidi]

257. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

Where I grew up, we had a saying for that. “Bless your heart.”

[BannonsLiver]

258. I said that in another post on this thread.

Here again, it went right over their head.

[Heidi]

259. When we know better, we do better.

Maybe this thread will be helpful to the OP after some reflection. Hope springs eternal, right? 🕯️

[A-Schwarzenegger]

260. I tried.

Hi, Heidi.

[wolfie001]

262. Y'all are like the Dem version of Susan Collins

Concerned and ready to clutch those pearls. Most don't have a clue about what went down in the '60s or never really understood how it all affected today's politics. Giving this guy a free pass to remain out of the debate is cheap. He should be standing up and speaking out. My opinion. And it will never change.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

273. On Old DU, that post would have been gone in 30 seconds.

Remind me never to try to express compassion where it just don't belong.

[wolfie001]

261. Me? Being edgy?

"Old Bob" could've said a word of two of the current state of the US and how effed up it is. That's how he built his brand. To make people aware of their place in the world and do some good. That's how he was presented for his 1st 20 years. With all of the sh7t going on right now, he could've said or done something. Criticizing a wealthy, comfy man who doesn't stand for Democracy and Freedom at this point in US history. That's not being "edgy". It's more of a 'La Marseilles' type of response.

[ificandream]

264. Never thought I'd see the day when people on this site would dump on Dylan.

Hey, wolfie01 or whatever your name is, look up some Dylan history.

He sang at MLK Jr's 1963 March on Washington.

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He composed a song for Hurricane Carter. (Google him.)

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And then there's this to protest the death of Davey Moore. (Google it)

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And finally Masters of War. (Google It.)

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[wolfie001]

266. Pretty sure we're already back in the 1950s at this point

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Another reason for "Old Bob" to speak up.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

274. Fella could use a break.

[BannonsLiver]

275. I think we all could at this point lol

[A-Schwarzenegger]

276. lol indeed

i kept coming back to it like a fly to a pile of stink

[IbogaProject]

277. He has been rightwing since the 60s

He was invested in defense contractors during the Viet Nam war in the late 1960s

[Tarzanrock]

279. The problem with the angry, vocal, uber-Left in this country ...

is that almost all of these people thinks/believes that everyone in the U.S. thinks and believes just like they do. They ardently think and believe and adamantly and vociferously argue that everyone in this diverse country accepts their "ideology" on matters like "guns;" "abortion;" "women's rights;" "school prayer;" "gay issues;" "trans issues;" "social welfare;" "Medicare;" "Medicaid;" "housing;" "reparations for slavery;" "immigration;" "the environment;" "pollution;" "climate change;" etc., et al. The problem is that anyone, even a hero like Dylan, who doesn't "goosestep" to their tune is branded by them as some unholy deviant (and Trump lover/supporter) whom they endlessly, erroneously and mercilessly castigate -- just like Dylan here. No fucking thanks to this shit! None of us need it nor want it.

[marble falls]

280. Bull shit ...

https://www.clashmusic.com/news/bob-dylans-only-comment-on-donald-trump/

To our knowledge, Bob Dylan has only mentioned Donald Trump once – passing reference in his book Chronicles. As ever, the gnomic wisdom of Dylan is perceptive – he wrote:

“I mean, who’s the last individual performer that you can think of – Elton John, maybe? I’m talking about artists with the willpower not to conform to anybody’s reality but their own. Patsy Cline and Billy Lee Riley. Plato and Socrates, Whitman and Emerson. Slim Harpo and Donald Trump. It’s a lost art form. I don’t know who else does it beside myself, to tell you the truth.”

Or perhaps another line from Bob Dylan serves the present occasion: “Steal a little and they throw you in jail / Steal a lot and they make you a king.”

Prove he voted for Trump.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

282. Poor OP's done gone.

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Hidden post = blessed silence

Although looks like a couple minor league trolls are pinch-hitting for him already.

[kudzukimchi]

281. Why was he so popular, anyway?

Most of his lyrics were meaningless gibberish that only impressed the undereducated.

[thebigidea]

283. which lyricists impress the properly educated, in your estimation?

I'd love to know who I'm supposed to be enjoying instead of the folks I spent my life delighted by - Ron Mael, Warren Zevon, Randy Newman, Mark E. Smith, et al.

I fully concede that my current enthusiasm for Sebastian Murphy of the Viagra Boys is at best, community college dropout who sniffs glue level. But goddamn, he's very funny and hits the nail on the head backed by some fun avant-sax squeals and post-punk to boot.

[RedArkGuy]

285. Ph.D. in American Literature here.

I'm impressed by Dylan's lytics.

[Hekate]

286. Jesus, what a thread. You mean this guy? https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220454643#post15

QUOTE:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220454643#post15

Wiz Imp
15. Somebody with the following track record seems like a pretty good guy to me:
Reply to Happy Hoosier (Reply #4)
Thu Jul 3, 2025, 07:23 AM
https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/bob-dylan
Dylan was involved in the civil rights movement in the 1960s, and joined protest rallies and concerts. He won the “Tom Paine Award” from the National Emergency Civil Liberties Committee in 1963.

He performed at George Harrison’s Concert For Bangladesh in 1971 – the first big rock concert organized by a musician to aid a cause.

Bob Dylan has supported the following charities listed on this site:

Amnesty International
City of Hope
End Hunger Network
Feeding America
K9 Connection
MusiCares
Music Rising


https://philanthropydaily.com/what-can-bob-dylan-teach-us-about-the-giving-pledge/
Meanwhile, crown prince of American folk music Bob Dylan has been earning headlines recently with a perfectly Dylan-esque speech at a charity gala held in his honor. The speech is interesting and beautiful in its way, and you can read it here, but much of the news coverage has blown breezily past the fact that MusiCares, the group that singled Dylan out as its 2015 Person of the Year and threw the star-studded party, was recognizing his many years of philanthropic efforts.

But wait, Bob Dylan: philanthropist? If that doesn’t quite seem right it may be because Dylan, though he has given generously to charities for many years, has hardly raised a finger to cultivate an image of himself as a philanthropist. On the contrary, there is reason to believe Dylan prefers anonymous charity; gossip tongues wagged in 2004 when Dylan made a low-key trip to an Irish children’s hospital which he had explicitly asked to be kept a secret (someone later leaked the story) and again in 2007 when it was discovered he had been singing in a California grade school (whose students thought he was just “Weird Guitar Guy”).

Indeed, over the years Dylan has donated many millions to charities like Amnesty International and Feeding America (which received all the U.S. royalties for his chart-topping 2009 Christmas album), but has done so with a minimum of fanfare or self-promotion. It seems entirely plausible that Dylan would lend his considerable resources to any number of causes on the condition of anonymity; there are untold other philanthropists who similarly prefer to operate behind the scenes.

The Giving Pledge appears to be saying that philanthropists like Dylan are somehow less worthy than those who chose to announce their giving plans to the world. After all, the pledge contains zero enforcement measures—it only serves to publicize giving that would, presumably, be made anyways. But Dylan reminds us – in his characteristically cool way – that there is a different style of philanthropy. A quieter, less eager style.


https://bobdylancenter.com/about/
Located in the Tulsa Arts District, the Bob Dylan Center serves to educate, motivate and inspire visitors to engage their own capacity as creators. While the center is anchored by a permanent exhibit on the life and work of Bob Dylan, it also offers additional exhibits, public programs, performances, lectures, and publications, through which it aims to foster a conversation about the role of creativity in our lives.

As the primary public venue for the Bob Dylan Archive® collection, the center offers curated exhibits pulled from the priceless collection of more than 100,000 items spanning Dylan’s career, including handwritten manuscripts, notebooks and correspondence; films, videos, photographs and artwork; memorabilia and ephemera; personal documents and effects; unreleased studio and concert recordings; musical instruments; and many other elements.

Both the Bob Dylan Center and the Woody Guthrie Center operate under auspices of the American Song Archives, a project of the George Kaiser Family Foundation (GKFF).


https://www.bobdylan.com/news/bob-dylan-partners-international-charities-help-feed-hundreds-thousands-during-holiday-season/
BOB DYLAN PARTNERS WITH INTERNATIONAL CHARITIES TO HELP FEED HUNDREDS-OF-THOUSANDS DURING HOLIDAY SEASON

CRISIS UK AND WORLD FOOD PROGRAMME TO RECEIVE ARTIST’S ROYALTIES FROM CHRISTMAS IN THE HEART CD IN PERPETUITY

LONDON (23/09/2009) All of Bob Dylan’s international royalties from his forthcoming album of holiday songs, Christmas In The Heart—which is being released on Monday, October 12—will be donated to The World Food Programme and Crisis UK in perpetuity, it was announced today by Columbia Records. Dylan’s immediate donations will provide 500,000 meals to school children in the developing world during the holidays through the WFP and 15,000 meals to homeless people in the United Kingdom during the eight days of Christmas (December 23—December 30) through Crisis.

The WFP is the world’s largest humanitarian organization fighting hunger worldwide, aiming to feed 108 million people in 74 countries in 2009. Crisis is the United Kingdom’s national charity for single homeless people, dedicated to ending homelessness by delivering life-changing services and campaigning for change.

Today’s news follows the recent announcement of Bob Dylan’s partnership with Feeding America in the United States in which he is donating all of his U.S. royalties from Christmas In The Heart to that organization in perpetuity.

“Bob Dylan’s generosity to help WFP feed the world’s hungry couldn’t come at a better time. Starting this Christmas, we can give a meal to thousands of hungry school children all over the world ,a gift of a lifetime” said Josette Sheeran, Executive Director of WFP. “The number of hungry in the world—many of them children—has hit a historic high while food assistance has reached a historic low. For 80 percent of the world, a government safety net is little more than a dream. Bob Dylan’s new album will help change that.”


https://www.facebook.com/cinematalk19/photos/one-of-bob-dylans-most-meaningful-acts-of-kindness-was-his-role-in-launching-the/122235569930222351/
🎤🎤One of Bob Dylan’s most meaningful acts of kindness was his role in launching the first major charity concert in history — the Concert for Bangladesh in 1971.

Organized by George Harrison and Ravi Shankar, the concert aimed to raise money and awareness for refugees affected by war and famine in Bangladesh. At the time, Bob Dylan had mostly withdrawn from public life and hadn’t performed live in years — but he agreed to come out of seclusion and take the stage.

His surprise appearance at Madison Square Garden electrified the audience and added massive star power to the event, helping raise over $10 million for UNICEF and inspiring future charity concerts like Live Aid and Farm Aid.

Dylan’s performance and participation weren’t about fame or profit — they were about using music to heal and help people in crisis. It was a powerful moment that showed how music could truly make a global difference.


https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56716269
Blowin' in the Wind, the opening track on the album, was the song that made Dylan famous - initially thanks to the Peter, Paul and Mary version - and it also forever aligned with him the civil rights movement and anti-war protests. The song has a similar melody to that of the African American spiritual song No More Auction Block. It came about as musician Agnes 'Sis' Cunningham urged artists like Dylan to put contemporary activist lyrics to old tunes which she then published in her Broadside magazine. Dylan performed the number near to Dr Martin Luther King Jr at a march on Washington DC in 1963, becoming the voice of a generation in the process - a label he always rejected. He said that Dr King's famous I Have a Dream speech that day affected him "in a profound way".

Last week, it emerged Dylan had agreed to become an honorary patron of the The Bob Willis Fund - a new charity in memory of the late England cricketer. "Bob Willis was a great sportsman who left too soon," Dylan noted. "I'm happy to help keep his flame and cause alive."

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[A-Schwarzenegger]

287. Thanks, Hekate & Wiz Imp!

Good work.