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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI put my wilderness fire lookout on lockdown today. No more visitations by members of the public.
Again, like in 2023, I must be extremely vague about my location. Given the tragedy last Sunday in Coeur dAlene and events today (7/4) in the vicinity of the lookout, I think you will understand.
I opened up the lookout on July 1. Usually during the July 4 holiday week there are some ATV riders that come up the hell-rough road to the tower. But none came until today (a rather cool, cloudy day which turned to rain, drizzle, and fog). Shortly after noon two side-by-sides (RZRs) and a quad came up. A man and woman (50-ish) in each RZR, and a teenage boy on the quad. More about them later.
During the hour or so preceding their arrival in the vicinity of the lookout, there were about eight concussive explosions from places well below me and maybe within three miles. Not fireworks. I thought: C-4 or 82mm mortars, harkening back to my Vietnam days. But then four more explosions seemed to be getting closer, and coming from the general direction of the road leading up to the lookout. Then I saw the three ATVs .. then they stopped at the saddle between my peak and the next over. Then there was a much louder explosion from the direction of the ATVs.
Meanwhile, elsewhere in the national forest below me, was sporadic gunfire of all descriptions. But that is the nature of July 4 in the woods in the wild west.
Not longer after that last explosion, I saw the ATVs start moving again. I knew that they would be on the peak, below my 30 lookout, in about six minutes. I didnt need to lockdown because I stay lock-downed.
I watched as they parked and shutdown the ATVs. One male RZR driver had on a red hat that said I.C.E. I shit you not. What kind of sadistic fucking joke was THAT? Or was it a joke? He had a handgun in a chest-carry. The other male RZR driver had a MAGA hat, but no visible weapons.
One of the women passengers got out of the ATV and walked towards the stairs to the tower. I then went out on the catwalk and greeted her .. pleasantly. She asked if they could come up and visit the lookout.
At that point, I got to use a concocted story that two other lookouts and I had discussed last night. I am sorry, but recent tragic events in Coeur dAlene have necessitated changes in security procedures at remote locations like this. Im sure that you understand. The lookout is closed to all visitors and, beyond that I am not authorized to discuss any security arrangements.
Yes, she said. (Gunfire in distance). Things like that, I said.
AND PEOPLE ARE EVEN EXPLODING SEMTEX, she says. Who the fuck said anything about Semtex? How did she extract that term out of what we had discussed so far? Semtex is not C-4, but it is similar. And Semtex is preferred by terrorists because it is hard to trace.
Im fairly sure that this was all innocuous, including the fucking ICE hat. But maybe it wasnt. All aspects of this event were documented and reported.
Im not paranoid. But I am.
Bo Zarts

I'd assume the worst of just about anyone these days in a situation like thst.
WhiteTara
(30,953 posts)You are so wonderful to be a lookout, even without terrorists coming to visit.
Tarzanrock
(1,191 posts)These jackbooted, armor wearing Gestapo Assholes are everywhere in 'Occupied' Los Angeles. Your 'paranoia' is not overdone. Be careful and stay safe!
CaliforniaPeggy
(154,509 posts)I am quite relieved that you got through that episode unscathed. I know you're being very careful.
A certain amount of paranoia is a very healthy thing.
elleng
(140,172 posts)NOT good to hear of ICE and Semtex.
FadedMullet
(311 posts)rubbersole
(10,108 posts)"Order" to clean out the riff-raff. Incel dreamland. Pardoned J6ers are the role models. Shit will hit the fan. These people aren't qualified for the real Armed Services but this Bubba brigades bs is their home. As Malcolm Nance's book title says - "They Want to Kill Americans".
People don't spend tens of thousands of dollars on automatic military weapons, ammunition, military style clothing and body armor for sport just to go 'hunting' for 'game.' All these wannabe 'G.I. Joes' want to 'play' with their toys in real time!
malthaussen
(18,178 posts)Let's put a fine point on it: these Sofa Seals want to kill something, period.
-- Mal
3auld6phart
(1,583 posts)Lo ve it. You have a way with words. .. definitely malcontents . Drooling fools
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)is, instead of loading up and deporting mexicans, all of these Trumphumping wanna bees, all decked out in full Military Garb and weapons,, should be airlifted to some war zone, and be forced to put on a parachute, and be dropped into the real "shit".........and watch them cry....... Russian controlled areas of Ukraine would be the best area to drop them into.......
malthaussen
(18,178 posts)In my experience, all this "small town hospitality" noise is just bullshit. People in small towns are haters of everything.
-- Mal
biophile
(819 posts)Aint no hate like Christian love.
ms liberty
(10,395 posts)malthaussen
(18,178 posts)This is always the difficulty with variations on the "one bad apple" slogan. For one thing, people seem to forget that the "one bad apple" spoils the barrel, the barrel is not just fine except for the bad ones. While one can hardly accuse people of personal failure for being unable to rein in the assholes, it is definitely a failure of the culture which creates them, and culture is created by people. We don't, unfortunately, have complete control of our culture, but it is curious how some seem more amenable to distortion and mis-appropriation than others.
-- Mal
ms liberty
(10,395 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 7, 2025, 12:10 PM - Edit history (1)
Your comment sounds like one from someone who has never lived in a rural county. I live in a county of 36k in a 260 Sq mile tract of mostly forested or field/pasture land and nearly 100 open, operating churches. No cities. Most of that 36k became Republicans after the ballot stuffing scandal that ruined the party in this county, and they never came back.
So you tell me how I personally - or any one person in a rural county - should be able to "fix" about 32k people that we mostly don't know. They don't show that face out in public. It's very rare to have a discussion with someone about this because here in the South,
TALKING ABOUT POLITICS AND RELIGION TO PEOPLE YOU ARE NOT CLOSE TO OR DON'T KNOW IS CONSIDERED RUDE, ILL MANNERED AND INCIVIL. It's a fine way to get shunned and uninvited to anything.
malthaussen
(18,178 posts)Which, as you have just explained, makes it impossible for individuals to effect change.
There wasn't a personal comment in the post.
-- Mal
QED
(3,163 posts)Will they look at voter rolls to see who identifies as a democrat? Just something I've thought about, briefly.
malthaussen
(18,178 posts)They'll kill 'em all and let god sort them out. You see, the only thing Republican politicians hate more than Democrats is their own constituents. They hate being beholden to them for their votes, and would love to create a society where they remain in power, and can kill all the insects and animals they used to put them there. The massive cuts to Federal spending in the latest legislation, which will go a long way to starting the process of killing off people in the Red districts, should be proof enough of that.
Don't be deluded into thinking that Representatives and Senators in any way identify or have any sympathy for the people who constitute their base. They think they're suckers and losers, and they're not wrong.
-- Mal
Hekate
(98,566 posts)
Jamesm9164
(577 posts)From that area and been to where you are. Be safe my friend.
CentralMass
(16,300 posts)fierywoman
(8,380 posts)HeartsCanHope
(1,131 posts)Always better safe than sorry. Please stay safe!
blogslug
(38,922 posts)I hope the weekend goes by quickly and uneventfully
NJCher
(40,713 posts)There are explosions going on within 3 miles. Gunfire, too, which you say is normal for the 4th.
Two firefighters were recently ambushed and killed.
Numerous people show up wearing nutcase regalia and carrying weapons.
They want to come up to the lookout which we have seen before from pics. You are the only person there.
If I understand correctly, this would be the only sane response.
malthaussen
(18,178 posts)But I don't know if we're going to have any of that for a few years at best.
Pretty noisy 4th here this year. Lots of boom-booms. Last year, virtually nada.
I was about to say I bet you wish you had a dog with you, but somebody would probably shoot it.
-- Mal
angrychair
(10,886 posts)Keep your head on a swivel.
mainer
(12,366 posts)I hope so.
defacto7
(14,128 posts)but I'm trying to imagine what scenario would being armed have saved him from harm? He reasoned his way out of it successfully. Had they tried to storm the tower he may have taken a couple of them out before he died but he'd still be dead. If he wasn't armed he may have been killed or not. He may have been able to out think or out maneuver them. It doesn't sound like they would have run away if shot at or threatened. They were heavily armed maybe with explosives and likely reeling for a fight. He was in a hell of a situation for sure, but being armed only seems like it would have been a death trap. He needs some other deterrent to keep them and their vehicles away and I don't know what that would be. He's just in a bad situation. It's anti-government, civil war, guerrilla warfare footing.
mainer
(12,366 posts)It doesn't mean he could successfully fight them off if they persisted. But a few return shots might make them back down, and give him enough time to call for help.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,546 posts)CaptainTruth
(7,770 posts)Of course there's no need to tell us.
Nittersing
(7,399 posts)Different times.
Wounded Bear
(62,514 posts)You are in an exposed position out of range of immediate help.
Best of luck going forward.
Kid Berwyn
(21,322 posts)They cant wait to use all their stuff for real in the big round-up. Thank you for standing up to them, DT.
Oliver North had planned to enlist the Michigan Militia and its counterparts nationwide to assist the federal authorities in rounding up illegal aliens and their citizen supporters in the event of protests against U.S. military interventions in Central America. When Rep. Jack Brooks of Texas asked North about it during the special House-Senate Iran-Contra hearings (and suspension of the Constitution), he was asked to table it for a closed session by Sen. Dan Inouye. Wish the national press corp had followed the REX-84/Readiness Exercise 1984 story, instead of burying it for Poppy and his treasonous crew.
Video and links for future history:
https://court.rchp.com/black-concentration-camps/
niyad
(125,259 posts)niyad
(125,259 posts)in the face of an increasingly dangerous reality. Do everything you can to stay safe and protect yourself. And please, for all of us here who love and worry for you, check in as often as you can.
calimary
(87,053 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 5, 2025, 08:33 PM - Edit history (1)
It sounds to me like youre being smart and sensible.
58Sunliner
(5,881 posts)Blues Heron
(7,178 posts)58Sunliner
(5,881 posts)HAB911
(9,705 posts)wysimdnwyg
(2,263 posts)sheshe2
(92,883 posts)Ilsa
(63,039 posts)the military supplying it, telling them to go practice with it? Or would they be acquiring it solely on their own? Is an organized group getting it? Does anyone have any ideas?
Please be safe, Bo Z.
pandr32
(13,221 posts)as home grown terrorists. Now they are recruited.
ancianita
(41,084 posts)If you can get any backup (whether LEO or armed friends) please keep them nearby.
God bless you for your work.
The Mouth
(3,363 posts)dlk
(12,786 posts)In the interest of safety, you should probably stay on permanent lockdown for for the foreseeable future
Evolve Dammit
(21,014 posts)pansypoo53219
(22,395 posts)orangecrush
(25,666 posts)Is a lunatic, every day but one.
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JoetheShow
(113 posts)Stay safe.
barbtries
(30,587 posts)it's extremely sketchy out there.
and thank you for your work.
Clouds Passing
(5,394 posts)marble falls
(67,018 posts)democrank
(11,661 posts)Stay safe and remember were here for you.
wendyb-NC
(4,402 posts)You're not a tour guide.
k55f5r
(482 posts)+4
"In the US, C-4 is significantly more available than Semtex. C-4 is a plastic explosive primarily manufactured in the US for military use. While Semtex is also a plastic explosive, it is not produced in the US and is more commonly associated with international terrorist organizations, "
I've never seen it in the US. I've read about it in books and seen it in movies. I've worked construction around Dynamite, and prill, but never plastique.
bluescribbler
(2,366 posts)Doesn't mean they're not out to get you. Stay safe my friend.
TnDem
(1,060 posts)Tannerite... It is common on many YouTube explosion videos and is legal, but has to be mixed and then can be detonated.
For shits and giggles, go to YouTube and type in "Tannerite goes wrong", and you'll see Darwin in full swing.