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Trump drowned those girls at camp in Texas. (Original Post) milestogo Jul 5 OP
Gutting funding for NOAA and NWS will result in more senseless deaths such as this. ProudMNDemocrat Jul 5 #1
What bdamomma Jul 5 #90
My thoughts exactly!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 6 #102
Yup. Everything since January 20th is his fault Arazi Jul 5 #2
Will mainstream media report that? No. Doodley Jul 5 #3
I think people will ask why there wasn't time to evacuate these children. milestogo Jul 5 #5
But will it get the amount of attention it should at a national level ? JI7 Jul 5 #17
They will blame NWS, and use it as an excuse to say that government RandomNumbers Jul 5 #55
The alerts were sent out but they were sent out at night Fullduplexxx Jul 7 #113
But it's too soon to investigate the tragedy... Girard442 Jul 5 #72
Oh, I'm sure they will, but they'll say what the GOP instructs them to. sir pball Jul 5 #6
Sounds familiar, like what they're doing Dr. T Jul 5 #29
Just wait until hurricanes start, LisaL Jul 5 #4
Tropical Storm Chantal heading for South Carolina malaise Jul 5 #9
Whoa! It's a monster ananda Jul 5 #26
How is this TS a "monster"? writerJT Jul 5 #35
I looked at it on Zoom Earth... ananda Jul 5 #38
That's clouds. writerJT Jul 5 #41
"These are the products we use." For now. Scrivener7 Jul 6 #106
May bring neededand unneeded rain malaise Jul 5 #39
Yeah, reaching H status was never writerJT Jul 5 #43
My 'goto" site is THIS: B.See Jul 5 #81
You have to do the predictions after the hurricane. milestogo Jul 5 #10
Oh Dear God that was embarrassing! calimary Jul 5 #50
I believe FL is in for a world of hurt this season. Katinfl Jul 5 #19
Mar-a-Lardo is way overdue Dr. T Jul 5 #57
Hope it's soon. Although I don't think a hurricane will suddenly show up unforcast on our shores. We'll still have Silent Type Jul 5 #64
What they won't get ... sheshe2 Jul 6 #100
If there is any justice is this world, they should be wiped out. Katinfl Jul 5 #74
I hope it's soon Jilly_in_VA Jul 5 #76
The magic sharpie orangecrush Jul 5 #69
Souinds like Texas government trying to blame everyone but themselves. Guy said 4" to 8" rain was forecasted. Silent Type Jul 5 #7
The forecasters rely on the National Weather Service for information milestogo Jul 5 #11
I would think they would have evacuated the camp as soon as that forecast came up. Prof. Toru Tanaka Jul 5 #23
Exactly. milestogo Jul 5 #31
They had enough warning, just not enough sense to get people out of the way. Silent Type Jul 5 #33
Because God will save them. Dr. T Jul 5 #59
He didn't save the 32 confirmed dead and the dozens still missing malaise Jul 5 #80
If God doesn't protect young children, Dr. T Jul 5 #84
He didn't protect all those malaise Jul 5 #85
This is where Christianity slips Dr. T Jul 5 #88
And not just them malaise Jul 5 #92
There must be a Biden angle in here somewhere BeyondGeography Jul 5 #8
No malaise Jul 5 #12
Shh... The storm blew in from The Gulf of America on the same day as Dear Leader was wearing his hat. Hugin Jul 5 #21
In a way it's kinda karmic that the areas in Texas affected.. ananda Jul 5 #30
They have never acknowledged or understood that the reason they have any quality of life at all is because they are... Hugin Jul 5 #34
Or the "it's just God's will" angle... sop Jul 5 #13
It's those damn drag queens again. GoCubsGo Jul 5 #53
Secret Storm Machine blueprints on Hunter's laptop, no doubt . . . . hatrack Jul 6 #111
Idiot doesn't know what 6 or 8 inches of rain can do in a flash flood zone dalton99a Jul 5 #14
No Joke. Sounds like they had plenty of warning, just didn't get camping kids, etc., out of the way. Silent Type Jul 5 #18
The rains were actually about double that Ms. Toad Jul 5 #25
that is the thing. My understanding is that this area had experienced 7 to 8 inch rainfall in the past yellowdogintexas Jul 5 #77
His bio alone is extremely creepy and cringeworthy MagickMuffin Jul 5 #32
+1. The guy is a bootlicking grifter and not very smart. dalton99a Jul 5 #40
"Punchable face" incarnated. Xavier Breath Jul 5 #67
Is that short for Nimrod? Marthe48 Jul 5 #51
... Nim holds advanced degrees in public administration and cybersecurity law ... struggle4progress Jul 5 #65
It was a Christian camp, so the parents can Baitball Blogger Jul 5 #15
No surprise Blubird Jul 5 #16
republicans must accept their responsibility BoRaGard Jul 5 #20
While your post is spot-on correct, Prof. Toru Tanaka Jul 5 #44
Sure he will DENVERPOPS Jul 5 #46
repukes "accepting responsiblity" Skittles Jul 6 #99
Weather is a prediction based on probabilities Renew Deal Jul 5 #22
No data Johnny2X2X Jul 5 #36
Texas was short the staff to BidenRocks Jul 5 #66
The Washington Post is reporting that they were warned in time. summer_in_TX Jul 5 #45
Anyone remember a couple of years ago DENVERPOPS Jul 5 #49
The Washington Post is a right wing rag. milestogo Jul 5 #75
You are right when it comes to political coverage. summer_in_TX Jul 5 #94
Accuweather is a horrible company Wiz Imp Jul 5 #78
Washington Post doesn't have credibility when it comes to holding Trump accountable JI7 Jul 5 #89
Yes, but this is still likely to be accurate. summer_in_TX Jul 5 #93
The camp mystic had been in the same spot 100 years Melon Jul 5 #86
This is their concept of a plan, to kill us off MagickMuffin Jul 5 #24
And the Republican members of Congress are all-in on this. Prof. Toru Tanaka Jul 5 #47
In almost all professional fields you get what you pay for. You want a dollar answer, pay a dollar - c-rational Jul 5 #27
The whole Trump/Magat agenda is to take us back to the good old days... ananda Jul 5 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author krkaufman Jul 5 #37
It is too early to determine fault. summer_in_TX Jul 5 #42
An excellent how to on how to fight the last war BannonsLiver Jul 6 #107
Isn't there a danger of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"? Where eventually the voters start tuning out legitimate denunciations Midwestern Democrat Jul 6 #108
Doesn't seem to be a problem for the GOP Trump party. BannonsLiver Jul 6 #110
Oh, of course, that is true. summer_in_TX Jul 7 #115
I would also blame Texas and their lack of regulations that allowed a camp for kids to be built in Vinca Jul 5 #48
OMG.... Hard not to. calimary Jul 5 #60
Along the same lines. . . Stargleamer Jul 5 #52
Oh this is horrible. milestogo Jul 5 #58
Oh holy hell. llmart Jul 5 #68
Although. . . Stargleamer Jul 5 #54
Texas Officials are blaming trump for the loss of life due to these floods LetMyPeopleVote Jul 5 #56
G.O.P. bears responsibility BoRaGard Jul 5 #70
Maybe Trump shouldn't have defunded the NWS. LetMyPeopleVote Jul 5 #61
Daughters from fairly well off, CHRISTIAN, families. I see a class action suit coming Attilatheblond Jul 5 #62
Is Krasnov going to go Kerr County, TX and pose with some 1st responders or @ a hospital and do his Botany Jul 5 #63
And neglect his golf game??? Gimpyknee Jul 5 #97
If Trumpists don't care about children shot in schools mnhtnbb Jul 5 #71
Abbott said: "it could've been worse" .... after uvalde . IcyPeas Jul 5 #96
Republicans never take personal responsibility. Emile Jul 5 #73
The ideological dismantling of NOAA and NWS begins on page 674 of Project 2025 and is well underway. LetMyPeopleVote Jul 5 #79
Post removed Post removed Jul 5 #82
Not that any of it matters to Trump B.See Jul 5 #83
Here is your Thursday Forecast the evening before Melon Jul 5 #87
I live in a similar area. When weather report says we'll get 2" of snow, I prepare for at least 6" Silent Type Jul 6 #98
They went to be knowing a minor chance of flooding in a huge area... Melon Jul 6 #101
Hundreds of staffers were already cut from NWS... Waterguy Jul 5 #91
K&R ck4829 Jul 5 #95
The Guadalupe, just another Fifth Avenue to Trump. He'd laugh tossing paper towels to those little girls RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Jul 6 #103
It's Biden's fault! It's Buttigieg's fault! It's DEI's fault! MIButterfly Jul 6 #104
And every GOP Old Crank Jul 6 #105
Trump and his minions should be held criminally responsible Mr. Sparkle Jul 6 #109
NYT-As Floods Hit, Key Roles Were Vacant at Weather Service Offices in Texas (gift links) LetMyPeopleVote Jul 6 #112
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 7 #114

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,853 posts)
1. Gutting funding for NOAA and NWS will result in more senseless deaths such as this.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 10:59 AM
Jul 5

TACO Don did this!!

bdamomma

(68,786 posts)
90. What
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 06:42 PM
Jul 5

you said is sadly correct, with the gutting of NOAA, the felon clearly wants Americans to die. This is just the beginning of unwarranted deaths.

Arazi

(8,137 posts)
2. Yup. Everything since January 20th is his fault
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:01 AM
Jul 5

I didn’t make the rules. The rightwing did when they decided any disaster, including natural disasters, were Biden’s fault.

Ergo, everything that happens now is Traitor’s fault

milestogo

(21,277 posts)
5. I think people will ask why there wasn't time to evacuate these children.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:05 AM
Jul 5

And when they start looking for someone to blame, they will find that there was not adequate warning due to the cuts that were made.

JI7

(92,309 posts)
17. But will it get the amount of attention it should at a national level ?
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:32 AM
Jul 5

I mean top of the news story with flashing breaking news and updates and dramatic headlines.

RandomNumbers

(18,777 posts)
55. They will blame NWS, and use it as an excuse to say that government
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:02 PM
Jul 5

screws things up and it needs to be privatized.

Never mind all the good that has been done in the past with proper funding. And what a privatized, for-profit model will screw up.

Fullduplexxx

(8,520 posts)
113. The alerts were sent out but they were sent out at night
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 05:58 PM
Jul 7

And the Problem was, there was no one in that office to receive those advanced warnings

Girard442

(6,711 posts)
72. But it's too soon to investigate the tragedy...
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:50 PM
Jul 5

...and it will remain too soon right up until the moment it becomes "It was a long time ago. You need to get over it."

sir pball

(5,040 posts)
6. Oh, I'm sure they will, but they'll say what the GOP instructs them to.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:08 AM
Jul 5

Specifically that since the NWS is obviously too incompetent to accurately predict disasters like this, they need to be eliminated wholesale. And the MAGAts will lap it up as Gospel, with no recollection or awareness of the cuts.

Classic tactic, kneecap an organization then use the resulting performance failures to justify closure.

Dr. T

(296 posts)
29. Sounds familiar, like what they're doing
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:49 AM
Jul 5

to Social Security and Veterans Administration healthcare. Cut the muscle then blame the ensuing chaos as evidence of irrelevance.

LisaL

(47,280 posts)
4. Just wait until hurricanes start,
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:04 AM
Jul 5

and nobody is left to predict where they are going to hit.

malaise

(286,475 posts)
9. Tropical Storm Chantal heading for South Carolina
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:11 AM
Jul 5
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at3.shtml?start#contents

At 1100 AM EDT (1500 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Chantal was
located near latitude 31.1 North, longitude 78.7 West. Chantal is
moving toward the north near 1 mph (2 km/h). A slow motion toward
the north-northwest is expected to begin later today, followed by a
turn to the northeast by Sunday night. On the forecast track, the
center of Chantal is expected to move across the coast of South
Carolina Sunday morning.

writerJT

(323 posts)
35. How is this TS a "monster"?
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:02 PM
Jul 5

Hopefully that’s not what they’re saying on TV to get views, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

I’m on the southern coast of SC. We’ll get the southwestern fringe of the storm.

writerJT

(323 posts)
41. That's clouds.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:12 PM
Jul 5

This link will take you to the product that shows wind speed probabilities. Note that the highest winds will remain offshore:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/051503.shtml?tswind120#contents

Same with the heaviest rain. Worst will be offshore:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/051503.shtml?rainqpf#contents

EDIT: forgot to include the flash flood potential. Also very low.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/051503.shtml?ero#contents

These are the products we use.

writerJT

(323 posts)
43. Yeah, reaching H status was never
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:22 PM
Jul 5

in the cards for this storm. Even when we upgraded it to 92L we weren’t concerned, and expected it to strengthen from TD to TS. So far it’s all working out (with negligible variation) as we projected 4 days ago.

calimary

(87,030 posts)
50. Oh Dear God that was embarrassing!
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:42 PM
Jul 5

Oh man, and he tried to draw in where the storm was GOING TO GO. Or so he presumed.

NO, donald. The weather DOES NOT obey you, either. No matter how much you think you’re in command of everything in your twisted, myopic line-of-sight.

Gotta admit, when the weather did something different, I remembered that moment and felt vindicated all over again.

Katinfl

(410 posts)
19. I believe FL is in for a world of hurt this season.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:33 AM
Jul 5

Pains me to say it because we left in Dec. after 20 years there. We were very lucky hurricane-wise, but the state is in worse shape now in forecasting than they ever were. It’s gonna be a helluva summer I’m afraid. Glad we got the hell out when we did.

Silent Type

(10,470 posts)
64. Hope it's soon. Although I don't think a hurricane will suddenly show up unforcast on our shores. We'll still have
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:22 PM
Jul 5

sufficient notice of an impending storm.

sheshe2

(92,856 posts)
100. What they won't get ...
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 12:31 AM
Jul 6

...Is any assistance from FEMA,, that has been redirected to his Big Beautiful Death Camps.

Jilly_in_VA

(12,407 posts)
76. I hope it's soon
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 04:41 PM
Jul 5

and I hope he and Shady and Little Mikey and little Marco are ALL there!

Silent Type

(10,470 posts)
7. Souinds like Texas government trying to blame everyone but themselves. Guy said 4" to 8" rain was forecasted.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:09 AM
Jul 5

trump is still an A-hole, but don't think forecasters missed anything.

milestogo

(21,277 posts)
11. The forecasters rely on the National Weather Service for information
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:13 AM
Jul 5

and that's what they were told.

Dr. T

(296 posts)
84. If God doesn't protect young children,
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 06:26 PM
Jul 5

then who will he protect?

This is the part of Christianity that defies a legitimate explanation.

Dr. T

(296 posts)
88. This is where Christianity slips
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 06:40 PM
Jul 5

into the cult zone.

No different than Marshall Applewhite and the Heaven's Gate catastrophe.

Hugin

(36,553 posts)
21. Shh... The storm blew in from The Gulf of America on the same day as Dear Leader was wearing his hat.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:33 AM
Jul 5

We don’t want to spoil his golf outing.

Hugin

(36,553 posts)
34. They have never acknowledged or understood that the reason they have any quality of life at all is because they are...
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:01 PM
Jul 5

Heavily subsidized by the rest of the humans that they hate. Usually praising divine intervention instead.

As the system falls apart, those on the margins are the first to feel the effects.

Silent Type

(10,470 posts)
18. No Joke. Sounds like they had plenty of warning, just didn't get camping kids, etc., out of the way.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:33 AM
Jul 5

Ms. Toad

(37,283 posts)
25. The rains were actually about double that
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:43 AM
Jul 5
Those along the river had little indication of the upcoming destruction or much time to act. A cluster of thunderstorms sat parked over the region Thursday night into early Friday morning, dumping 12-15 inches of rain in just hours around San Angelo and triggering a Flash Flood Emergency. Mason reported 15.60 inches while San Angelo registered 12.72 inches.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxweather.com/weather-news/catastrophic-flooding-kerrville-hunt-guadalupe-river-texas.amp


yellowdogintexas

(23,369 posts)
77. that is the thing. My understanding is that this area had experienced 7 to 8 inch rainfall in the past
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 04:54 PM
Jul 5

with high water but nothing even close to yesterday. If NOAA and National Weather Service had been at normal capacity the slower movement of the storm probably would have been seen.

This event was unique in that it dropped 13" in a very short period over one spot. The water literally has no place to go because the ground is like bricks and won't soak up the water, so it fills up the channel and spreads out. Ancillary drainage channels could have diverted the water somewhat but it is really difficult when that much falls at that rate. That amount of rain over a 24 hour period would have had far less impact.

Problem is, while the weather radar and all that will show the approaching system, it can't predict that a storm will stall and just dump for a couple of hours. Think about that hurricane that veered inland and caused all the flooding in eastern Ky and Tennessee last year.

I was at my daughter's house in Phoenix during Monsoon Season when a rainstorm literally stopped on top of her neighborhood. We could not see the house next door! It rained solidly for 2 hours, approximately 2 1/2 to 3 inches right in that same spot. In no time she had water coming into her house, her back yard had a roaring stream, her swimming pool flooded, the water in the street was over a foot deep and the large drainage pit in the front yard was full in maybe 10 minutes. (it is a large cone shaped hole about 8 feet deep and 10 feet in diameter with a drain in the bottom, and had not filled up like that for a long time). We learned later that other houses in the vicinity flooded a foot deep.

MagickMuffin

(17,805 posts)
32. His bio alone is extremely creepy and cringeworthy
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:59 AM
Jul 5


And perhaps his focus is elsewhere then Texas preparedness


SideKick Operators, a leading family investment firm dedicated to investing in the essential-service businesses that keep the American infrastructure running, is proud to announce that W. Nim Kidd has joined the organization as a Strategic Partner. With decades of experience in emergency management, disaster response, and operational leadership, Chief Kidd brings unparalleled expertise to SideKick Operators’ mission of bridging the skilled trades gap and fortifying the backbone of the American economy.

Chief Kidd currently serves as the Chief of the Texas Division of Emergency Management (TDEM), where he oversees statewide efforts in emergency preparedness, response, recovery, and mitigation. His distinguished career includes serving as District Fire Chief with the San Antonio Fire Department (SAFD), City Emergency Manager for San Antonio during over a dozen state and presidential disaster declarations, and Plans Section Chief during the 9/11 World Trade Center response. He also chaired FEMA’s National Advisory Council and holds certifications as a Certified Emergency Manager (CEM®) and Texas Master Firefighter.

Justin Steen, CEO of SideKick Operators, expressed his enthusiasm about the partnership:
"Nim Kidd embodies leadership and resilience—qualities that align perfectly with SideKick Operators’ values. His strategic insight into emergency services and infrastructure will be instrumental in driving growth for our partners while addressing America’s critical skilled trades shortage."

Chief Kidd’s role will focus on leveraging his extensive network and leadership experience to identify and work with high-potential businesses in essential service industries. These sectors are vital to keeping America’s economy moving amidst growing labor shortages in skilled trades.

As Vice Chancellor for Disaster and Emergency Services at The Texas A&M University System, Chief Kidd has demonstrated a commitment to education and workforce development—an ethos that aligns seamlessly with SideKick Operators core values and mission. This initiative aims to create opportunities for over one million new skilled tradespeople within the next two decades by investing in businesses that prioritize people, culture, core values, and customer service.

Commenting on his new role, Chief Kidd stated:
"Joining SideKick Operators allows me to extend my lifelong dedication to service by supporting businesses that are critical to our nation’s infrastructure. Together, we will build sustainable solutions for generations to come."

Chief Kidd holds advanced degrees in Legal Studies, Cybersecurity Law & Policy, and Public Administration from Texas A&M University and Texas State University. He resides in Texas with his wife, Dr. Emily Kidd, M.D., their three adult children, and their families.

https://www.sidekickoperators.com/news/w-nim-kidd-joins-sidekick-operators-as-strategic-partner-to-drive-growth-in-mission-critical-essential-service-businesses



Blubird

(27 posts)
16. No surprise
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:30 AM
Jul 5

Of course they do. They never take any accountability for the evil they do! It is always the blame game….5.4.3.2.1….Biden made the cuts.(sarcasm).

BoRaGard

(6,234 posts)
20. republicans must accept their responsibility
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:33 AM
Jul 5

for having been so irresponsible.

Krasnov the Felon should hang his head in shame.

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,726 posts)
44. While your post is spot-on correct,
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:25 PM
Jul 5

Krasnov the Felon will hang his head in shame around the same time that Lauren Boebert qualifies for Mensa.

Remember when TSF was talking about eliminating FEMA and “letting the states handle it”? That would give him an easy out to avoid any blame for a tragedy such as this.

DENVERPOPS

(12,987 posts)
46. Sure he will
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:29 PM
Jul 5

just like the empathy and compassion he showed, when his actions/in-actions killed an additional 500K during the Covid Pandemic......

We are far from the end of his and Republican Politicians diabolical and delusional actions, harming many many more......

Renew Deal

(84,253 posts)
22. Weather is a prediction based on probabilities
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:37 AM
Jul 5

The outcome was probably somewhere within the range of possibilities. They are pointing to the weather prediction, but that’s not as much of an issue as any kind of emergency detection and alerting. Why wasn’t the extreme weather recognized and why wasn’t anyone notified?

Johnny2X2X

(23,056 posts)
36. No data
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:02 PM
Jul 5

Last edited Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:29 PM - Edit history (1)

The NWS provides the data for the whole country to predict weather from. They no longer have the money to launch as many weather balloons to get the data everyone needs. So your weather people are guessing now more than before. If they had had more data they could have been more accurate and would have been likelier to know this was going to be catastrophic so they could warn people better.

NWS is a basic function of government that keeps us safe. They’ve been slashed to nothing. Expect more surprise events. People think that local weather stations have all this state of the art equipment when they don’t. A lot of states have gaps in Doppler Radar coverage even. The local weather people are relying on data from the NWS to make accurate predictions.

BidenRocks

(1,836 posts)
66. Texas was short the staff to
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:26 PM
Jul 5

launch 3 balloons in Texas. One would check the Gulf of MEXICO and these would have provided more data points for increased accuracy.
Chump touched it. People died.
This wasn't Biden's NOAA.
Depraved indifference for anything which doesn't generate a profit.
This fuck is a Ferengi!

summer_in_TX

(3,690 posts)
45. The Washington Post is reporting that they were warned in time.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:28 PM
Jul 5
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/07/05/texas-flooding-camp-mystic-kerrville-kerr/

AccuWeather released a warning hours in advance and apparently the NWS issued one very shortly thereafter. That would have been on Thursday. Texas officials were blaming the weather service for inaccurate information they supposedly released on Wednesday. AccuWeather issued an imminent flooding warning at least 30 minutes in advance of the flood hitting that area. But we need to know the details of what the warnings on Saturday Thursday and early Friday actually said to provide warning of just how much danger everyone was in.

Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly said Friday that “no one knew this kind of flood was coming” and added that the county does not have a warning system in place.


We have a ways to go in finding out all the failures that led up to these horrific deaths. .

A couple of my friends’ grandchildren and were at two camps in Hunt, Texas that were flooded. Amazingly they were rescued but many other campers are missing. It is so heartbreaking.

DENVERPOPS

(12,987 posts)
49. Anyone remember a couple of years ago
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:41 PM
Jul 5

when the weather service told DeSantis that the hurricane was not going to hit Tampa as was originally thought, but was going to be a direct hit on Ft. Meyers, with a huge ground surge?????????????
They told him 48 hours in advance, but DeSantis literally blew it off until about 12 hours before it hitting. DeSatan told the people of Ft Meyer to evacuate, and by then it was too late.........DeSatan lied to the people in Ft. Meyers that the NWS had never told him.........and blamed the entire destruction on Biden, as if Biden could control the weather. Then 24 hours later DeSatan was screaming his head off to the people in Florida that he was requesting FEMA and other help, and Biden wasn't helping at all......... IN REALITY, when asked for help by DeSatan, Biden replied: I started FEMA and all kinds of other help, two days ago when the forecast changed......

summer_in_TX

(3,690 posts)
94. You are right when it comes to political coverage.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 08:47 PM
Jul 5

But this was straight news coverage of a disaster. No reason to spin it and there was no evidence of a slant to it. They do still have good straight news reporters.

The state OEM seems to me to be trying to redirect attention away from any possible state failures to blame things on the National Weather System. Why else would they say the WEDNESDAY warnings were for a mere 3-6 inches? What about Thursday warnings?

Were they asleep? Vacationing? Governor Abbott is usually the one giving press conferences in the immediate aftermath of an emergency. Instead it was Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick speaking as the Acting Governor. So Abbott almost certainly was on vacation on the 4th.

Did they take a chance on public safety by not funding an early warning system for the Guadalupe River?

Something does not seem right.

Remember the many problems with the state's response to Uvalde and their self-laudatory press conference afterward that turned out to be a sham.

Wiz Imp

(5,968 posts)
78. Accuweather is a horrible company
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 04:55 PM
Jul 5

They have wanted to eliminate the NWS for years so they can make a profit off of all weather forecasting. Even worse, they actually currently take much of the NWS free data and repackage it and sell it. Also their track record is nowhere near as good as NWS.

summer_in_TX

(3,690 posts)
93. Yes, but this is still likely to be accurate.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 08:37 PM
Jul 5

It isn't directly about Trump.

Plus the Texas officials who were ragging on the weather service referred to forecasts from WEDNESDAY not Thursday. Pretty sure they are redirecting attention from state failures, such as to fund an early warning system for the Guadalupe River.

I'm in Wimberley where the 2015 Memorial Day Weekend Flood killed eight, including all but one of a family vacationing together from Corpus Christi in a house that was lifted off its stilts and floated down the raging river where it was hurled against the bridge. The aftermath of that flood was significant upgrades of communications, the installation of an early warning system of flood gauges, and a reverse 9-1-1 system to call and warn folks of weather emergencies and the like. So why didn't the Guadalupe River have one???

Melon

(544 posts)
86. The camp mystic had been in the same spot 100 years
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 06:33 PM
Jul 5

It hadn’t been wiped out with a flood. Ever like this. There is a high vertical bank above the river floor which was at drought levels.
The weather service list higher level of 6” rain. They got 15”. The river rose 30 Foot.

Max 6” rain would not of cleared the upper bank or even come close.

MagickMuffin

(17,805 posts)
24. This is their concept of a plan, to kill us off
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:41 AM
Jul 5


The more deaths they can create the more they can take

For themselves.

The Concept of a Plan, A Manufactured Rapture


c-rational

(3,072 posts)
27. In almost all professional fields you get what you pay for. You want a dollar answer, pay a dollar -
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:47 AM
Jul 5

you want a $10 dollar answer pay $10 dollars.

ananda

(32,566 posts)
28. The whole Trump/Magat agenda is to take us back to the good old days...
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 11:48 AM
Jul 5

where it's all social darwinism and survival of the fittest...

as in the dark ages.

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summer_in_TX

(3,690 posts)
42. It is too early to determine fault.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:19 PM
Jul 5

While I was able to find out that cuts have affected the NWS San Antonio-Austin, which includes Kerr County, no reporting that I found showed the degree to which they are understaffed

However, the Washington Post reports that AccuWeather and the NWS issued flooding watches for the area a number of hours in advance, and AccuWeather at least issued an imminent flooding warning 30 minutes in advance.

Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly said Friday that “no one knew this kind of flood was coming” and added that the county does not have a warning system in place.


While Trump administration cuts may have played a role, they don’t appear so far to be directly implicated.

I want to blame them as much as the next anti-Trumper, but with the constant fanning of fires by the swirl of disinformation and misinformation pushing us towards civil war, I think it is important to slow down and be careful.

BannonsLiver

(19,395 posts)
107. An excellent how to on how to fight the last war
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 07:44 AM
Jul 6

But what needs to happen is for the messaging to be very clear: This was Trump’s fault.

That’s how the Trumptard messaging machine would handle it if Democrats were in the WH or running the govt. in Texas.

Repeat it enough and it becomes truth. In this case there is a nugget of truth in there anyway. Set a narrative. That’s how good propaganda works. Splitting hairs and letting them off the hook or relying on the media to referee is the old way of doing things and it doesn’t work anymore.

108. Isn't there a danger of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"? Where eventually the voters start tuning out legitimate denunciations
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 09:53 AM
Jul 6

because they've been burned too many times by previous ones that turned out to be politically motivated falsehoods?

summer_in_TX

(3,690 posts)
115. Oh, of course, that is true.
Mon Jul 7, 2025, 09:25 PM
Jul 7

I'm the sort who tries to remain accurate. But repetition, repetition, repetition is key to framing and messaging.

Vinca

(52,361 posts)
48. I would also blame Texas and their lack of regulations that allowed a camp for kids to be built in
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:38 PM
Jul 5

a place known as "Flash Flood Alley." The government provides maps of flood zones - or at least they used to - so it's not as if this was a big secret. Tragic, but preventable with a little common sense.

calimary

(87,030 posts)
60. OMG.... Hard not to.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:14 PM
Jul 5

“Oh it won’t be that bad…”

“This place floods every summer… it’s nothing…”

I can just hear the justifications now.

And I totally get it, as a parent. You just always figure it’s all “gonna be alright” and “God won’t let anything bad happen…”

And sometimes you’re right. But not ALL the time.

Damn…

Stargleamer

(2,455 posts)
52. Along the same lines. . .
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:53 PM
Jul 5

With a shattered heart, I share that Janie & Renee—two sweet babies from Camp Mystic—didn’t survive the storm. There are no words for the grief or fury. Trump’s cuts to the National Weather Service cost lives.

May their memories be a blessing 💔😔

Jennifer ✨Get In Good Trouble (@thejenniwren.teamlh.social) 2025-07-05T16:46:25.584Z

llmart

(16,620 posts)
68. Oh holy hell.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:28 PM
Jul 5

Just seeing their little faces gives me so much grief. They are about the age of my granddaughter.

Fuck the GOP and Trump.

Stargleamer

(2,455 posts)
54. Although. . .
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:00 PM
Jul 5

Despite the Trump MAGA cuts to our National Weather Service, they did do their job. The NWS sent an urgent flash flood/evacuation message at 01:30 am. Local officials ignored the warning and waited until 05:16 am to warn affected residents to evacuate.

www.kxan.com/investigatio...

Dr Kiddo (@drkiddo.bsky.social) 2025-07-05T16:51:06.743Z

LetMyPeopleVote

(166,210 posts)
61. Maybe Trump shouldn't have defunded the NWS.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:20 PM
Jul 5


Nim Kidd, chief of the Texas Division of Emergency Management, told a news conference on Friday night that the National Weather Service (NWS) forecast “did not predict the amount of rain that we saw.”

Maybe Trump shouldn't have defunded the NWS.

Attilatheblond

(6,643 posts)
62. Daughters from fairly well off, CHRISTIAN, families. I see a class action suit coming
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:21 PM
Jul 5

If it had been a camp for poor kids, or inmates in that swampy FL concentration camp, would we even be hearing/reading about it?

This is not just on Trump, it's on his whole hateful team and a huge scoop of blame for Elon, who jumped ship before the ramifications of his bogus DOGE 'savings' did their predictable damage. Hope the well off families include Elon in the predictable class action suit.

Botany

(74,701 posts)
63. Is Krasnov going to go Kerr County, TX and pose with some 1st responders or @ a hospital and do his
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:21 PM
Jul 5

… thumbs up pose or how about his double handy J with his feet stuck in cement dance?


“ That is just what happened to residents along the Guadalupe River in Kerr County and the surrounding area after at least 10 inches (25 centimeters) poured from the sky early Friday morning.”

mnhtnbb

(32,637 posts)
71. If Trumpists don't care about children shot in schools
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:37 PM
Jul 5

why would they care about them being drowned?

IcyPeas

(23,885 posts)
96. Abbott said: "it could've been worse" .... after uvalde .
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 09:10 PM
Jul 5

What a heartless despicable thing to say. I'll never forget him saying this and then pivoting to praising law enforcement. (Who we later found out stood around doing nothing...)

To me that was like saying... well YOUR kid got slaughtered but MINE didnt.

You are right. They don't give a damn.



Emile

(35,885 posts)
73. Republicans never take personal responsibility.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 02:53 PM
Jul 5

They sit on their hemorrhoidal ass and point their shit stained fingers.

LetMyPeopleVote

(166,210 posts)
79. The ideological dismantling of NOAA and NWS begins on page 674 of Project 2025 and is well underway.
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 05:04 PM
Jul 5

One of the provisions of Project 2025 was the dismantling of NOAA and NWS. We are seeing the results




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B.See

(5,834 posts)
83. Not that any of it matters to Trump
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 06:13 PM
Jul 5

or his acolytes.

Trump is responsible for an estimated 250 -300 HUNDRED thousand deaths due to his self centered Covid denials and obstruction,

he celebrates the passage of his UGLY and cruelly malevolent bill that takes food from the mouths of children and deprives an estimated 11 MILLION Americans of healthcare,

and his halt to USAID is predicted to result in the death of 14 MILLION more children worldwide. And there will be more. MANY more.

Fact is, Trump & Co. are JUST GETTING STARTED.

Melon

(544 posts)
87. Here is your Thursday Forecast the evening before
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 06:37 PM
Jul 5

By Tuesday–Wednesday: Messaging mentioned Thursday flood risk.

Thursday: Flood watches were issued. By late afternoon, a “Slight Risk” of excessive rain (WPC 2/4) was highlighted—which in hindsight may have underplayed the potential.

Silent Type

(10,470 posts)
98. I live in a similar area. When weather report says we'll get 2" of snow, I prepare for at least 6"
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 12:01 AM
Jul 6

because that’s what often happens.

Same with rain, but flooding here would be like Noah’s Ark, so don’t pay that much attention to variance between prediction and actual.

But, who(m)ever deserves blame is a GOPer in this incident.

Melon

(544 posts)
101. They went to be knowing a minor chance of flooding in a huge area...
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 12:41 AM
Jul 6

Knowing that the river was at drought levels. They died in a 100 year deluge. It’s not the equivalent of 2” of snow and 6”. That’s an inconvenience.

Waterguy

(302 posts)
91. Hundreds of staffers were already cut from NWS...
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 06:55 PM
Jul 5

I'm not a meteorologist but I have heard many say that Trump's cuts to NWS are not ok, that this is a huge safety issue!
With climate change there are many more storms to track - what falls through the cracks due to lack of resources???

His cuts to science in general are stupid and will have long term consequences for our country and the world!

103. The Guadalupe, just another Fifth Avenue to Trump. He'd laugh tossing paper towels to those little girls
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 12:51 AM
Jul 6

Bastard.

LetMyPeopleVote

(166,210 posts)
112. NYT-As Floods Hit, Key Roles Were Vacant at Weather Service Offices in Texas (gift links)
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 03:45 PM
Jul 6

Some experts say staff shortages might have complicated forecasters’ ability to coordinate responses with local emergency management officials.

🚨 NYT: As Floods Hit, Key Roles Were Vacant at Weather Service Offices in Texas

Some experts say staff shortages might have complicated forecasters’ ability to coordinate responses with local emergency management officials.

Gift link:

MeidasTouch (@meidastouch.com) 2025-07-06T04:33:59.776Z



https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/05/us/politics/texas-floods-warnings-vacancies.html?unlocked_article_code=1.UU8.Zjkx.evidtrUYt_ZY&smid=tw-share

Crucial positions at the local offices of the National Weather Service were unfilled as severe rainfall inundated parts of Central Texas on Friday morning, prompting some experts to question whether staffing shortages made it harder for the forecasting agency to coordinate with local emergency managers as floodwaters rose.....

The staffing shortages suggested a separate problem, those former officials said — the loss of experienced people who would typically have helped communicate with local authorities in the hours after flash flood warnings were issued overnight.

The shortages are among the factors likely to be scrutinized as the death toll climbs from the floods. Separate questions have emerged about the preparedness of local communities, including Kerr County’s apparent lack of a local flood warning system. The county, roughly 50 miles northwest of San Antonio, is where many of the deaths occurred......

The National Weather Service’s San Angelo office, which is responsible for some of the areas hit hardest by Friday’s flooding, was missing a senior hydrologist, staff forecaster and meteorologist in charge, according to Tom Fahy, the legislative director for the National Weather Service Employees Organization, the union that represents Weather Service workers.

The Weather Service’s nearby San Antonio office, which covers other areas hit by the floods, also had significant vacancies, including a warning coordination meteorologist and science officer, Mr. Fahy said. Staff members in those positions are meant to work with local emergency managers to plan for floods, including when and how to warn local residents and help them evacuate.

That office’s warning coordination meteorologist left on April 30, after taking the early retirement package the Trump administration used to reduce the number of federal employees, according to a person with knowledge of his departure......

John Sokich, who until January was director of congressional affairs for the National Weather Service, said those unfilled positions made it harder to coordinate with local officials because each Weather Service office works as a team. “Reduced staffing puts that in jeopardy,” he said......

An equally important question, he added, was how the Weather Service was coordinating with local emergency managers to act on those warnings as they came in.

“You have to have a response mechanism that involves local officials,” Dr. Uccellini said. “It involves a relationship with the emergency management community, at every level.”

But that requires having staff members in those positions, he said......

Typically, Mr. Sokich said, the Weather Service will send an official to meet regularly with local emergency managers for what are called “tabletop operations” — planning ahead of time for what to do in case of a flash flood or other major weather disaster.

But the Trump administration’s pursuit of fewer staff members means remaining employees have less time to spend coordinating with local officials, he said.

I have been through a number of hurricanes/storms including Ike, Allison, Harvey and lately Berly. There were weather service people coordinating with local officials during all of these storms. Here the DOGE and trump cuts meant that the weather service did not have the staff available to coordinate with the local officials.

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