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edhopper

(36,355 posts)
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:34 PM Jul 11

"They" control the weather with cloud seeding and contrails from planes

But millions of tons of chemicals pumped into the atmosphere everyday from fossil fuels doesn't affect the climate.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe both of those at the same time.

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StarlightGold

(370 posts)
1. I was watching Max Velocity
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:40 PM
Jul 11

to see what the weather was this afternoon. He brought that up and, a couple of times, actually used the word “sickening”.
The live chat that was going on was full of praise for that.

D_Master81

(2,116 posts)
6. Love watching him
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 12:04 AM
Jul 12

Whenever there’s severe weather in our area I watch him. What exactly was he saying that was drawing praise?

TnDem

(1,086 posts)
2. Agreed, but
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 11:40 PM
Jul 11

China emits ONE THIRD of all global greenhouse gas emissions. The US has 15% of the world's emissions. Do you really think China is going to change either before or after we do? Never going to happen.

And more importantly; There is no such thing as a no pissing area of a swimming pool.

MadameButterfly

(3,290 posts)
8. i recall hearing recently that China is producing an electric car
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 02:34 AM
Jul 12

that is cheaper than Tesla and outselling it in China. And planning to start selling it abroad in 2026. If Chinagoes electric while we pull back, maybe those numbers will change.

AZJonnie

(1,066 posts)
13. They already produce electric cars they sell abroad and they do quite well sales--wise
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 12:04 PM
Jul 12

The US doesn't allow them to be sold here, but most of the world does not have the restriction. No one brand is as big as Tesla but collectively they definitely compete.

TnDem

(1,086 posts)
16. Chinese cars here
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 02:22 PM
Jul 12

Chinese electric vehicles have always had issues to the point of literal fields of them being scrapped before they were sold.

One of the main problems with Chinese electrics is there is no way they can meet US vehicle safety specs for crashes and crush points...I.e. they are not safe enough for our standards. China doesn't have those standards, so they don't care.

AZJonnie

(1,066 posts)
17. There is nothing inaccurate in what I said in response to a post that sounded as though the writer thought
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 02:29 PM
Jul 12

Chinese electric cars are only sold in China at present.

I made no comment re: why they are not presently sold in the USA, but thanks for the insight

AZJonnie

(1,066 posts)
12. They also have 3 times as many people, per capita I'm pretty sure the US is #1
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 11:56 AM
Jul 12

And China is probably doing more to become sustainable than the USA is. Just saying.

Also the no pissing area analogy is good to a point, but there's also the point that the less pissing in the pool there is, the better. We can do our part to make it better regardless of whether other countries are acting to do the same.

TnDem

(1,086 posts)
15. OK
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 02:20 PM
Jul 12

Except their piss drifts to our side of the pool and we have to drink it AND pay extra to do it.

All the while it costs our country and low income folks here more to function because we are trying to do the right thing ecologically but allowing China to spew their toxic shit ad infinitum.

AZJonnie

(1,066 posts)
19. Which why it's important that the USA LEADS the rest of the world by forging international agreements, with teeth
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 02:44 PM
Jul 12

The shithead who is now in the charge of such matters is doing the exact opposite of 'leading the world' when it comes to this subject. And the statistic of 'per capita' is the most important one in this regard. The USA is worse than China when it comes to climate changing air pollution, period, when you look at per capita. Esp. if you add in how much methane is being spewed into the worlds atmosphere due to lax regulations concerning leaks in the production and distribution infrastructure.

China also isn't cranking out over 10,000,000+ barrels of the climate destroying compound known as PETROLEUM, and many million metric tons of 'natural' gas, every single day, like the USA is, which is then distributed worldwide, but do NOT count against our country's 'CO2 numbers' because its not burned here. China I do think they produce (and certainly burn a shit-ton of) coal there, but I don't think they're major exporters of it.

Look I'm no fan of the Chinese government by any stretch, but they ARE taking climate change and air quality a fuck of a lot more seriously than the Mango Mussolini regime, and they produce significantly less greenhouse gas, per person, AND they aren't major exporters of the shit like the US is

ProfessorGAC

(73,663 posts)
20. Not A Valid Factor
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 03:23 PM
Jul 12

Population is a far less impactful factor on emissions than is economic activity.
They produce 2.2 times the emissions with only 65% of the economic activity.
This suggests that, population size notwithstanding, they are doing far less to abate emissions than they need to be doing.

Emile

(36,028 posts)
9. One minute Republicans are blaming God, the next minute they blame
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 08:03 AM
Jul 12

Liberals for cloud seeding and contrails.

But the one thing they'll never blame is fossil fuels.

Hugin

(36,642 posts)
11. Say, don't they control all of the shady alphabetic agencies that have always been accused of weather manipulation?
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 08:09 AM
Jul 12

Also, didn’t they put them under the unitary (or so it seems) control of a gravel pit problem solver and a drunk?

I seriously think they need to bark up a different tree.

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