Let's just say it. They are not allowing people

[Baitball Blogger]

Into Alligator Alcatraz because they know that decent Americans would be horrified by what they see. It’s inhumane what they’re doing and video sent around the world would change people’s perspectives about America forever.

[FirstLight]

1. yep, the only cameras were before they started using the place...

It's also a 'for profit' prison company that runs it right? We need to blow up the info on those corporations too!

[Wounded Bear]

2. For profit prison is an abomination of an idea...nt

[FirstLight]

3. 10000%

When did they start? I know very little about it but I *do* know it's wrong on a billion levels... like modern day slave trade

[Wounded Bear]

6. Got really big in the 1990's...

on the heels of widespread "3 strikes" laws around the country, requiring mandatory sentencing for many crimes, regardless of the severity of the crime committed or accused. Was mostly a state phenomenon until a few years ago. But the push was there to keep the for profit prisons full to capacity and beyond, because they obviously got paid based on how many prisoners they housed.

Sucks as policy, if only because it incentivizes the arrest and conviction of more people until the line blurs between 'justice' and 'retribution' as public policy. With our current retribution administration it's gonna get worse, fast.

[LiberalArkie]

13. That is it, modern day slave ownership.. I think at some point the for profits will start farming out their prisoners

like the southern work gang prisons did,

Arkansas prisons still have massive agri farms the the prisoners work on

[Tanuki]

21. Here is some info about the 1983 launch of CoreCivic's precursor,

Corrections Corporation of America. Note that one of the principle founding investors was Jack Massey, who also co-founded the notorious Hospital Corporation of America.

https://nashvillebanner.com/2024/10/18/corecivic-prison-crisis-tennessee/

"In the early 1980s, Tennessee’s prison system was in crisis. A federal judge had declared the state’s prisons “unfit for human habitation” in 1982, citing overcrowding, poor medical care and regular violence. That echoed a state judge’s opinion four years earlier that the conditions across the system were unconstitutional.

It was amid that tumult that an idea began to percolate among a group of well-connected businessmen in Nashville. One of them was attorney Tom Beasley, who’d served as the chairman of the Tennessee Republican Party from 1977 to 1981. His pitch, according to an article in the November 1983 issue of the American Bar Association Journal: if prisons already contracted with private companies for food and healthcare, why not create a company that could run the whole thing?

Along with Nashville real estate executive Robert Crants and T. Don Hutto — who later led the American Correctional Association —Beasley went on to start Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the for-profit prison operator now known as CoreCivic. A 1986 article in The Journal of the Southern Regional Council quoted Beasley’s straightforward goals for the company — “solve the prison problem and make a lot of money at the same time.”

More than 40 years later, CoreCivic has certainly made a lot of money. Through state and federal government contracts, the company operates dozens of prisons and jails across the country. It runs four prisons in Tennessee, for which it now receives $233 million annually. In 2023, CoreCivic brought in $1.9 billion in revenue with a net profit of more than $188 million. "....(more)

[DENVERPOPS]

16. "Prison" is the wrong word.....More like

GULAG: The Penal system of the Soviet Union, consisting of a network of inhumane labor camps.....

Interesting that the idea of GULAG originally came from Russia..........perhaps just another thing Putin dictated it to Trump?????????????/

[SickOfTheOnePct]

4. Managed by

Florida Department of Emergency Management in conjunction with the federal government.

Florida paid to put it up, don't know if feds are helping pay for sustainment.

[FirstLight]

5. ok sorry...I thought I read somewhere that there were prison corporations handling ICE facilities etc...

Maybe it's something or somewhere else. But either way I am sure SOMEONE is making money off this bullshit

[DENVERPOPS]

17. Agreed

somewhere I read about the amount the Feds were paying the Private For Profit Prisons daily, per prisoner, and the actual cost they were spending on each prisoner..........The difference in the amount, PER DAY, was substantial.........Profitable to the Extreme.

Obviously, Trump and the FOR PROFIT prisons don't want any cameras showing the reality of what they are doing. Any more than they did during Trump's first occupation of the White House, when they were putting all the immigrant CHILDREN in fenced up areas with a space blanket and forced to sleep on the concrete floors..............The guards refused admittance to even members of congress who tried to be admitted.......

Then worst of all, there was no accounting, no paperwork of what happened to the hundreds and hundreds of children......
Then they were all just "disappeared" along with all their parents.........

Trump and his CABAL were just practicing at that time, now they are in a full ROLL OUT of their program...........

[KentuckyWoman]

36. Most are in private prisons

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/04/nx-s1-5417980/private-prisons-and-local-jails-are-ramping-up-as-ice-detention-exceeds-capacity

Nearly 90% of people in ICE custody are held in facilities run by for-profit, private companies. Two of the largest, Geo Group and CoreCivic, are working to increase their ability to meet the administration's demand.

...it's important to remember that people held by ICE are in civil, not criminal, detention. Nearly half of the people currently detained by ICE have no criminal record.

[Wiz Imp]

20. The Federal Government is paying for everything related to the operation of Alligator Alcatraz

The total cost to the American taxpayers is about $400 million a year. EVERYTHING is subcontracted out, most of it through no-bid contracts. If the Federal Government actually operated everything themselves, the cost would not be nearly as high. Not coincidentally, all of the know contractors are massive Republican donors. So those contactors are getting rich at the expense of the American Taxpayers.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

24. What I read may well be wrong

Do you have a link or something regarding who is paying for it and the outsourcing?

Thanks.

ETA: I found where FEMA is indeed reimbursing Florida, but still can't find anything about it being outsourced. Not saying it isn't, I just haven't found anything yet.

[Wiz Imp]

25. Here's an article from Daily Kos.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/7/5/2331596/-Why-will-Alligator-Alcatraz-cost-450-million-a-year-to-run?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=latest_community&pm_medium=web

Here's a couple excerpts

Private contracts. Months ago, Tom Homan said that when ICE had captured immigrants, everything else would be contracted out. Here you go.

So, there must be a number of companies that are going to make money off of this construction, where we have no cost listed, and operation at $450 million a year, and there are a bunch.

Lemoine CDR Logistics and CDR Healthcare, whose owner is a significant donor to Republican political action committees, the owner confirmed his involvement but couldn't provide details due to a non-disclosure agreement. Right.

Granny's Alliance Holdings Inc has a $3.3 million contract to provide meals.

IRG Global Emergency Management has a $1.1 million contract for flight and operational support services.

SLSCO Ltd is a construction company that was also involved in building part of the border wall during Trump's first administration.

Garner Environmental Services is a disaster relief company.

Doodie Calls is a portable toilet company. Cute name.

GardaWorld is one of the world's largest security services.

Gotham LLC is a disaster logistics company.

Longview International Technological Solutions is tough to find anything out about, except for a review from somebody who said that they would never work for a company like this again.

If you guessed that many of these companies had given money to DeSantis's campaign, you'd be right.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

26. Thank you! n/t

[dixiegrrrrl]

35. These companies are basically unaccountable to the public.

Gov't run prisons have to answer in some fashion to voters.
Private biz don't.

[Wiz Imp]

29. a couple more articles

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southeast/2025/07/03/830204.htm
Florida Taps Contractors With No Detention Experience for ‘Alligator Alcatraz’

Using contractors who’ve already been vetted by Florida’s Division of Emergency Management allowed DeSantis to sidestep time-consuming competitive bidding requirements, according to three people familiar with the matter.

The Alligator Alcatraz contractors include SLSCO Ltd., a Galveston, Texas-based construction firm that built parts of the first Trump administration’s border wall; Garner Environmental Services, a disaster-relief company that has worked with New York City on migrant care; Doodie Calls, a portable-toilet provider; and CDR Companies, which will run medical services and did some site preparation, according to the three people, who asked not to be identified discussing information that hasn’t been made public.

CDR confirmed that the company is working on the project but declined to comment further, citing nondisclosure agreements. Representatives of the other three companies didn’t respond to requests for comment for this article.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/fiu-board-chairs-company-is-an-alligator-alcatraz-contractor-23574722
FIU Board Chair's Company Is an Alligator Alcatraz Contractor

Duart confirmed to the Associated Press that his firm is involved in Alligator Alcatraz but did not disclose what services they are providing, pointing to a nondisclosure agreement.

Some state contractors working at the 39-square-mile site have covered logos and USDOT numbers on their trucks, in violation of state and federal regulations. Despite these attempts to evade public scrutiny and criticism, these companies, like Fort Lauderdale's Classic Recycling, have received numerous complaints on Yelp as a result.

[intheflow]

7. This isn't a new tactic. After Hurricane Katrina,

in Mississippi, I worked with a legal aid group that was helping immigrants who had signed up to work recovery. They promised housing and meals but they put them up in a place that looked a lot like the photos I've seen of Alligator
Alcatraz. The people "housing" them fed them undercooked food, took all their identification, let alligators out at night to patrol the barracks to keep anyone from leaving the premises, and then, after working in toxic clean-up jobs for a month or so, ICE came in and mass deported the lot. Then the next round of immigrants came in. It was awful and inhumane. And Republicans have been getting off on this cruelty for at least the last 20 years.

[BonnieJW]

12. Oh, please

Republicans have been depraved since Nixon

[bronxiteforever]

8. Kick and recommend

“Power corrupts, and there is nothing more corrupting than power exercised in secret.”
Daniel Schorr

[ancianita]

9. Subcontractors know the detainees are suffering cruel and unusual punishment (8th Amendment) and being

denied due process under the 5th and 14th Amendments. Fascist Homeland outsources fascism as some kind of BS legal buffer.

[NoMoreRepugs]

10. Send in the drones.

[duhneece]

11. I hope drones can film inside where our elected officials can't go

I can only hope for the videos, photos to come out

[LS0999]

14. The whole idea of that place is disgusting

This is what America stands for now. We already had too many prisons already.

[stollen]

15. Not even the RED CROSS??

[Greg_In_SF]

18. How many detention

facilities are there in the country?

[Wiz Imp]

22. More than 200

https://www.freedomforimmigrants.org/detention-statistics

Freedom for Immigrants maintains an up-to-date map of the U.S. immigration detention system. The map tracks the more than 200 immigrant prisons and jails in the U.S. as well as dozens of groups in the Freedom for Immigrants National Visitation Network.

[Greg_In_SF]

23. Holy

poop!!

[republianmushroom]

27. Discussed. Totally discussing.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

28. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz after touring "Alligator Alcatraz":

Link to tweet

[Greg_In_SF]

31. Well, I brush my teeth

and poop in the same room too

[BannonsLiver]

34. So no problem with what's going on then?

Because you brush your teeth in a bathroom it’s all good. Got it.

[Greg_In_SF]

38. It was just

an absolutely moronic thing to say. Do you have separate rooms for pooping and brushing your teeth?

[SheltieLover]

30. Absolutely!

[Skittles]

32. they'll know it's a concentration camp

yes indeed

[Justice matters.]

33. Do they know the rest of the G7 world views them as...

a bunch of disgustingly cruel Fascists already?

That they've "seen them coming" and escalating daily?

Has someone informed them of that fact or are they just talking to cowards?

[GoCubsGo]

37. Yeah, that's why they put it where the did.

And, why they're making such a big deal about the alligators. It isn't to keep people in the facility. It's to keep the media and protesters away from it.