He knew it.

Epstein knows about the Trump's rapes and beating of minor children.
And rape of adult women. Epstein was in on some of them.

The Russian connection.
The Melania connection.

All of it. There is more.

Wiz Imp

(5,971 posts)

7. Why wasn't Epstein arrested until 2 1/2 years into Trump's term?

Reply to Irish_Dem (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 12, 2025, 09:59 PM

Saturday

Of course he died just over a month after he was arrested.

Conversely, if he was killed to shut him up, why wasn't it done before he was arrested? It seems to me it would have been easier to kill him outside of prison. Note: I do believe it was at least slightly more likely that he was murdered rather than committed suicide, but both theories raise plenty of questions without any obvious answers.

Figarosmom

(6,830 posts)

9. Maybe epstein didn't try blackmailing

Reply to Wiz Imp (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 12, 2025, 10:26 PM

Saturday

Him till then. Or maybe trump was working with him until then and epstein decided to blackmail him. We see in real time how it works with trump when you turn on him with musk.

Irish_Dem

(72,240 posts)

10. Good questions.

Reply to Wiz Imp (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 13, 2025, 05:17 AM

Sunday

Some possible answers:

Back in Trump's first term, people still pretended there was a rule of law.
The DOJ, federal prosecutors had to make their case, they had to gather enough evidence to take to
make the arrest and take to trial.

Now of course, none of that matters, yes Trump would arrest Epstein right away.
It is funny to think how far we have descended. Today Trump will arrest anyone, at anytime, with no evidence,
and made up charges. Back then, there was still pretense of rule of law however.

Or perhaps Trump had been negotiating or threatening Epstein behind the scenes and thought
Epstein would play ball. Epstein balked, or wouldn't agree to some terms. Something happened.
We can assume Trump wanted the Epstein list to protect himself and to use as blackmail and leverage.

Perhaps Trump had tried to kill Epstein before he was arrested. Epstein is wealthy, so he had a good security team.
Maybe he went into hiding. Jail was the only way Trump had access to him.

Or maybe Epstein, so narcissistic, thought jail would protect him from Trump.
Maybe others were trying to kill Epstein too.

When you run a sex trafficking organization for the rich and powerful,
and you have their names and videos, you have a target on your back to some extent?

I also think Putin was involved in the Epstein/Trump sex trafficking operation. Maybe Putin was
protecting Epstein. And Trump did not want to cross Putin, Trump thought Putin was his friend back then.
And he owed Putin for helping him steal the election in 2016.

I don't know, I am guessing here. But I am certain there were a lot of moving parts to this
investigation. Some of the detectives working the case can answer your questions bettter
than I can, but of course they will never talk.

Wiz Imp

(5,971 posts)

11. Good well thought out response.

Reply to Irish_Dem (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 13, 2025, 08:18 AM

Sunday

But it does help further demonstrate a problem with this case. There are are tons of pieces of circumstantial evidence that points to Epstein's death as a likely murder. But the biggest problem with that theory at this point remains, how did someone get in to his cell and kill him without anyone knowing? I haven't seen a good explanation for that.

On the other hand, as stated, the suicide theory is contradicted by lots of circumstantial evidence plus the forensic evidence of the broken bones in his neck (though I've seen "experts" split on their opinion about that). As said before, I think the likelihood he was murdered is over 50% and the likelihood he committed suicide is under 50%.

One of your ideas you floated makes sense "maybe Epstein, so narcissistic, thought jail would protect him from Trump" on the surface. But then why did Epstein try to commit suicide shortly after his arrest? I've never seen anyone question whether he really attempted suicide,

Ultimately, this is another reason why the Files need to be released. In addition to identifying people involved with Epstein's sex trafficking and other crimes, they would likely provide some clarity on his death and what really happened. That is why Trump will do everything possible to make sure they never see the light of dy.

Irish_Dem

(72,240 posts)

12. I like looking at cold cases, or current crimes.

Reply to Wiz Imp (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 13, 2025, 03:09 PM

Sunday

1. There has been recent information on the internet that the video of Epstein's cell has been AI edited.
So incriminating evidence could have been eliminated. This would be very easy to do by the perps.

The prison guards were mysteriously absent during this period of time? Seems odd doesn't it?

Perhaps someone did know or saw something. There is no incentive for them to talk. Quite the opposite.

2. I agree, at best the odds are 50-50, with more chance of murder than suicide.

3. We don't know the truth about any of the reports we have been given. The DOJ, Bureau of Prisons,
and Law Enforcement would be in on the cover up and they are all good at covering up crimes. They know what to hide and what fake stories to tell.

4. I would be very surprised to see the client list released. Rich and powerful men don't typically have to answer for their crimes. And the list contains high level men across the world, in powerful positions.
Yes All of the men on the list would be considered suspects. They don't want that publicity either.