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America being run to soothe a foolish fragile broken manhttps://www.showbiz411.com/2025/07/12/trump-epstein-fake-out-says-he-might-revoke-rosie-odonnells-citizenship-which-he-knows-he-cant-do#.
We can imagine Trump is since Epstein called him his best friend and there is plenty of video evidence of their hanging out together.
So what does Trump do? He announces this morning, apropos of nothing, that he might revoke Rosie ODonnells citizenship. Rosie has been living in Ireland just to get away from the madness here. Shes very much a US citizen, born in New York to American parents.
Trump knows he cant do this, but its a misdirection, a fake out to get the press off the Epstein story. He also announced 30% tariffs on the UK and EU today. Hes trying to get away from the court ruling last night stopping ICE from acting like the gestapo. Trump is losing bigly.
Trump also lost his final appeal to not pay E. Jean Carroll $5 million in the sex abuse case.
Trump is rattled. Mondays stock market will drop like a rock following Fridays drop over Canada tariffs. Theres a new poll saying Americans are finally waking up to the immigration situation and are now in favor it I guess watching Nazi type behavior rattled the sensible part of the public.

TBF
(35,174 posts)but I think that's exactly why he decided to pick on her - he knew that she would fly off the handle which gives him his distraction. He's so disgusting.
niyad
(125,560 posts)boonecreek
(1,155 posts)had Trump flying off the handle.
TBF
(35,174 posts)and I did see an op ed today - I think by Michael Cohen - suggesting that it was more than a diversion. That Trump could literally be testing the waters to see the response to attacking citizenship. Sometimes I think he gives Trump too much credit, but then again he knows the guy a lot better than any of us.
newdeal2
(3,463 posts)She has been badly bullied by that creep for decades. She owes no one any explanation.
But her response was perfect - showed good vs. evil.
ananda
(32,659 posts)and never stopped.
It was obvious, always.
dlk
(12,802 posts)And the media is like a cat chasing a laser pointer.
IronLionZion
(49,513 posts)since it sounds very obvious that they are hiding something big. This is where his conspiracy minded base might finally turn against him.
BigmanPigman
(53,406 posts)Time to get off of the subject of Epstein...but with which "distracting" event will he choose?
Is there ANY positive distraction at all these days? It seems to me that even his distractions need their own distractions.
Time for another tRump Parade? A fake assassination attempt?
Joinfortmill
(18,665 posts)dalton99a
(89,604 posts)2016 cartoon:
LetMyPeopleVote
(166,964 posts)Here is a good analysis of denaturalization. It would be almost impossible for trump to strip Rosie of her citizenship without a nasty lawsuit
With President Trump threatening to revoke Rosie OâDonnellâs citizenship, it seems like a good time to re-up my explainer on denaturalization and expatriation â and why what Trump is suggesting is ⦠not viable:
— Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2025-07-12T18:40:26.584Z
https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/146-denaturalization-and-expatriation
Historically, and for good reasons, it has been exceptionally difficult for the government to involuntarily revoke an Americans citizenship. 8 U.S.C. § 1481 identifies seven classes of activities that can subject citizens to a loss of citizenship:
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or
(4)(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or
(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or
(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or
(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.
As should be clear from this list, most of the circumstances involve behavior in which an individual has manifested a specific and voluntary desire to surrender their citizenshipand not when citizenship has been revoked as a punishment. And even for subsection (a)(7), the one part that doesnt seem to require that on its face, the statute today includes an umbrella conditionthat loss of citizenship depends upon whether the individual voluntarily perform[ed] any of the [specified] acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality.......
Section 1481 applies to all U.S. citizens. For naturalized citizens (i.e., those who become citizens after birth), theres one additional basis for revoking citizenshipand thats if and only if their citizenship was illegally procured or . . . procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation. Here, too, the statute (and, almost certainly, the Constitution) requires notice and meaningful judicial review before an Americans citizenship can be stripped. As 8 U.S.C. § 1451(b) mandates,
The party to whom was granted the naturalization alleged to have been illegally procured or procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation shall, in any such proceedings under subsection (a) of this section, have sixty days personal notice, unless waived by such party, in which to make answers to the petition of the United States . . . .
Of course, the government can pursue denaturalization on broader grounds than it can pursue expatriationsince the Constitution doesnt create a substantive right to naturalization in the same way it does for birthright citizenship. But the key is that here, too, the Supreme Court has regularly insisted not only on meaningful judicial review of denaturalization proceedings, but on construing the relevant statutes narrowlyincluding, most recently, in 2017. (For much more on the complexities of denaturalization, see this fantastic February 2020 Practice Advisory from the National Lawyers Guild and the Immigrant Legal Resource Center.)
In other words, although denaturalization is potentially available in more cases than expatriation, it still requires meaningful, individualized judicial reviewreview that holds the government to a significant burden in providing that an individual wrongfully obtained their citizenship, and not just that they engaged in questionable behavior thereafter. There is, simply, no easy, fast path to revoking any Americans citizenship without their consentand there hasnt been for decades. That may not stop the current administration from trying it anyway, or from removing citizens unlawfully and then resisting the legal consequences. But its important to be clear on what the actual legal authority for such maneuvers would be. Here, there isnt any.
I was so sad to see Professor Vladeck leave the University of Texas Law School.