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Demovictory9

(36,864 posts)
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 07:54 PM Jul 12

Trump making outrageous announcements to distract from negative news

America being run to soothe a foolish fragile broken man

https://www.showbiz411.com/2025/07/12/trump-epstein-fake-out-says-he-might-revoke-rosie-odonnells-citizenship-which-he-knows-he-cant-do#.

We can imagine Trump is since Epstein called him his best friend and there is plenty of video evidence of their hanging out together.

So what does Trump do? He announces this morning, apropos of nothing, that he might revoke Rosie O’Donnell’s citizenship. Rosie has been living in Ireland just to get away from the madness here. She’s very much a US citizen, born in New York to American parents.


Trump knows he can’t do this, but it’s a misdirection, a fake out to get the press off the Epstein story. He also announced 30% tariffs on the UK and EU today. He’s trying to get away from the court ruling last night stopping ICE from acting like the gestapo. Trump is losing bigly.

Trump also lost his final appeal to not pay E. Jean Carroll $5 million in the sex abuse case.

Trump is rattled. Monday’s stock market will drop like a rock following Friday’s drop over Canada tariffs. There’s a new poll saying Americans are finally waking up to the immigration situation and are now in favor it — I guess watching Nazi type behavior rattled the sensible part of the public.
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Trump making outrageous announcements to distract from negative news (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jul 12 OP
I wish Rosie hadn't responded to him - TBF Jul 12 #1
You think her response was "flying off the handle"??? Seriously??? niyad Jul 12 #3
I think Rosie's response boonecreek Jul 12 #8
that too - - TBF Jul 13 #13
Rosie has every right to respond newdeal2 Jul 12 #9
Trump was already acting like a Nazi during his first term.. ananda Jul 12 #2
Exactly!!! niyad Jul 12 #4
Trump excels at distraction dlk Jul 12 #5
His distractions draw more attention to the Epstein files IronLionZion Jul 12 #6
Floods, ICE, and tariffs, oh my! BigmanPigman Jul 12 #7
The Epstein thing ain't never going way. Joinfortmill Jul 12 #10
It is a lifelong pattern dalton99a Jul 12 #11
Legal analysis from Professor Vladeck on trump's ability to strip Rosie of her US Citizenship LetMyPeopleVote Jul 13 #12
Outrageous that he would try Demovictory9 Jul 13 #14

TBF

(35,174 posts)
1. I wish Rosie hadn't responded to him -
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 08:20 PM
Jul 12

but I think that's exactly why he decided to pick on her - he knew that she would fly off the handle which gives him his distraction. He's so disgusting.

TBF

(35,174 posts)
13. that too - -
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 07:50 PM
Jul 13

and I did see an op ed today - I think by Michael Cohen - suggesting that it was more than a diversion. That Trump could literally be testing the waters to see the response to attacking citizenship. Sometimes I think he gives Trump too much credit, but then again he knows the guy a lot better than any of us.

newdeal2

(3,463 posts)
9. Rosie has every right to respond
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 10:52 PM
Jul 12

She has been badly bullied by that creep for decades. She owes no one any explanation.

But her response was perfect - showed good vs. evil.

ananda

(32,659 posts)
2. Trump was already acting like a Nazi during his first term..
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 08:57 PM
Jul 12

and never stopped.

It was obvious, always.

IronLionZion

(49,513 posts)
6. His distractions draw more attention to the Epstein files
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 09:30 PM
Jul 12

since it sounds very obvious that they are hiding something big. This is where his conspiracy minded base might finally turn against him.

BigmanPigman

(53,406 posts)
7. Floods, ICE, and tariffs, oh my!
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 10:16 PM
Jul 12

Time to get off of the subject of Epstein...but with which "distracting" event will he choose?

Is there ANY positive distraction at all these days? It seems to me that even his distractions need their own distractions.

Time for another tRump Parade? A fake assassination attempt?

LetMyPeopleVote

(166,964 posts)
12. Legal analysis from Professor Vladeck on trump's ability to strip Rosie of her US Citizenship
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 02:34 PM
Jul 13

Here is a good analysis of denaturalization. It would be almost impossible for trump to strip Rosie of her citizenship without a nasty lawsuit

With President Trump threatening to revoke Rosie O’Donnell’s citizenship, it seems like a good time to re-up my explainer on denaturalization and expatriation — and why what Trump is suggesting is … not viable:

Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2025-07-12T18:40:26.584Z

https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/146-denaturalization-and-expatriation

For good reasons, it is difficult to denaturalize a U.S. citizen and even harder to expatriate one. As this week’s “Long Read” documents, Congress has provided for only a handful of circumstances in which the executive branch is empowered to pursue such a move; and the Supreme Court has recognized meaningful constitutional limits (and an entitlement to meaningful judicial review) even in those cases. As we’re seeing so often with the current administration, there may well be a legal avenue for at least some of what it appears to want to accomplish, but that legal avenue has too much, you know, law, interposing both substantive limits and procedural requirements between the President and his policy preferences......

Historically, and for good reasons, it has been exceptionally difficult for the government to involuntarily revoke an American’s citizenship. 8 U.S.C. § 1481 identifies seven classes of activities that can subject citizens to a loss of citizenship:

(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or

(4)(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or

(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or

(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or

(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.


As should be clear from this list, most of the circumstances involve behavior in which an individual has manifested a specific and voluntary desire to surrender their citizenship—and not when citizenship has been revoked as a punishment. And even for subsection (a)(7), the one part that doesn’t seem to require that on its face, the statute today includes an umbrella condition—that loss of citizenship depends upon whether the individual “voluntarily perform[ed] any of the [specified] acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality.”......

Section 1481 applies to all U.S. citizens. For naturalized citizens (i.e., those who become citizens after birth), there’s one additional basis for revoking citizenship—and that’s if and only if their citizenship was “illegally procured or . . . procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation.” Here, too, the statute (and, almost certainly, the Constitution) requires notice and meaningful judicial review before an American’s citizenship can be stripped. As 8 U.S.C. § 1451(b) mandates,

The party to whom was granted the naturalization alleged to have been illegally procured or procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation shall, in any such proceedings under subsection (a) of this section, have sixty days’ personal notice, unless waived by such party, in which to make answers to the petition of the United States . . . .

Of course, the government can pursue denaturalization on broader grounds than it can pursue expatriation—since the Constitution doesn’t create a substantive right to naturalization in the same way it does for birthright citizenship. But the key is that here, too, the Supreme Court has regularly insisted not only on meaningful judicial review of denaturalization proceedings, but on construing the relevant statutes narrowly—including, most recently, in 2017. (For much more on the complexities of denaturalization, see this fantastic February 2020 “Practice Advisory” from the National Lawyers Guild and the Immigrant Legal Resource Center.)

In other words, although denaturalization is potentially available in more cases than expatriation, it still requires meaningful, individualized judicial review—review that holds the government to a significant burden in providing that an individual wrongfully obtained their citizenship, and not just that they engaged in questionable behavior thereafter. There is, simply, no easy, fast path to revoking any American’s citizenship without their consent—and there hasn’t been for decades. That may not stop the current administration from trying it anyway, or from removing citizens unlawfully and then resisting the legal consequences. But it’s important to be clear on what the actual legal authority for such maneuvers would be. Here, there isn’t any.

I was so sad to see Professor Vladeck leave the University of Texas Law School.
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