Epstein was second in command...

[kentuck]

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He had the location, his own island, to work from. He had the money. He had connections. He had the one connection that mattered - Donald Trump.

Because Epstein was not the "recruiter". He did not have access to international "teen pageants" or beauty contests. But his biggest connection had access to them all. He knew all the beautiful girls all around the world. From Moscow to Moldova, he found the girls that Epstein wanted.

But, he was not the type to work for nothing. He got a cut. And he got his choice of which girls he wanted. That was the reward of the "recruiter".

And he knew all the big shots in New York and Florida and all points in between. He promised them all a good time, on an island, away from all the tabloids and gossip. Many accepted his "invitation". It was his claim to fame.

That's the way I see it.

[johnnyfins]

1. It is more believable than not.

Dirty Donnie Pervy Pedo

[Kingofalldems]

2. I wonder if Limbaugh ever went there?

[Jit423]

5. You can bet that Weinstein did maybe?

[womanofthehills]

61. Epstein was connected to Harvard Math Dept while Weinstein was there

“This is wild.

Eric Weinstein says he’d “bet money” Epstein was an intelligence asset—and that his reach even extended to controlling scientists and burying discoveries.

According to Weinstein, Epstein and his girlfriend's father were part of a “control mechanism” designed to keep revolutionary discoveries “within a framework.”

In plain English, that likely means discoveries didn’t see the light of day unless whoever was controlling Epstein approved it.

“I was in the Harvard Mathematics Department. Jeffrey Epstein was absolutely connected to the Harvard Math Department. I want to know why. How was he connected to the Math Department?”

“Jeffrey Epstein knew a tremendous amount about my work when nobody knew anything about my work.”

“It was very important to get Nobel laureates and some of the smartest people on Earth to come to the Virgin Islands and talk about gravity. Stephen Hawking was there, David Gross was there. Lawrence Krauss was there. Lisa Randall was there right before his conviction.”

“I think that his girlfriend’s father, Robert Maxwell, was all through scientific publishing. And I think Pergamon Press was in part a control mechanism for making sure that revolutionary discoveries were taking place within a framework.”

“I think Jeffrey Epstein was in part trying to fund science, trying to control it. I don’t really know.”

This 7-minute clip says a lot.”

From Interview

Link to tweet

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[soldierant]

64. I assumed Kingofalldems was thinking of Harvey.

[ShazzieB]

105. So did I.

I'd be very surprised if that's not the case.

[kentuck]

6. Or Rudy?

Trump had a lot of political connections, as well as many billionaire businessmen. He probably promised all of them campaign contributions?

[Kingofalldems]

7. And one or more SC justices.

[kentuck]

8. My guess would be:

Scalia

[Irish_Dem]

16. Clarence Thomas too.

He has an eye for the ladies and a history of being sexually inappropriate.

[Captain Zero]

85. And Boof Boy Kavanaugh of the Brooks Brothers Riot in Florida 2000

I can see it.

Maybe girly accounts was some of his massive credit card debt that mysteriously went to zero right before he was nominated to the SC.

[Irish_Dem]

90. Exactly. He is all in for sex, drugs, booze.

Disgusting that these men have so much power over us.

[Callie1979]

93. None of those People were "anyone" back in the Epstein heyday.

He wouldve never considered bringing them into the group. People forget that its been MANY years since he ran his ring. Just like the MAGAs who tried to tie Harris to him; back in those days Harris wouldnt have been a big enough "celebrity". Neither would many of their other targets.

[SusieCreamcheese]

65. Limbaugh's proclivities

I seem to remember that Limbaugh's proclivities ran to young Dominican boys.

[BComplex]

104. You are correct. Limbaugh was as much of a creep as has ever walked this earth.

Disgusting tongue and soul on that one.

[Hudly]

73. Apparently

Rush preferred The Dominican Republic for his parties with the boys.

[llmart]

78. Or Ghouliani?

[Kingofalldems]

81. Him too.

[TBA]

3. Question: Why now?

They could have just kicked the can down the road for 4 years.

Why did they kick this hornet's nest?

Why now?

[kentuck]

4. Elon Musk opened the can of worms...

...in his feud with Trump, when he tweeted that Trump was on the list.

[70sEraVet]

10. THAT'S who needs to be called before Congress to testify!

He seems to know who is and who is not on the list (that doesn't exist).

[OMGWTF]

67. While he's on the stand testifying before Congress under oath,

please also ask him about stealing the election for T💩p.

[Joinfortmill]

34. I would bet good money Elon has copies of the files.

[TheRickles]

72. And if he gets pissed enough at Trump, he could be the one that spills the beans and releases the files.

[Joinfortmill]

97. We can hope.

[Safe as Milk]

83. He has enough money to buy anything. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

17. The MAGA base has been demanding answers.

[Bo Zarts]

9. Bingo!

That’s what I have thought all along.

[onenote]

11. Why did the Biden administration not know this?

Or why did they suppress it if they did know?

Also, why would the Trump administration risk having it come out by having her indicted in July 2020?

Maxwell was indicted in July 2020; she was tried and convicted in 2021 and sentenced in 2022.

[FakeNoose]

22. I'm guessing Jack Smith knew some of it, or at least had access to the FBI documents

Certainly Bill Barr knew what was taken (photos, videos, hard drives) from Epstein's Pedo Island. Whether Barr destroyed the evidence or not, we'll never know unless he gets called to testify. There's reason to believe that Bill Barr's own father might have been one of Epstein's first blackmail victims. If that's true then Barr had sufficient motive to destroy Epstein's evidence, or some of it.

[Joinfortmill]

35. I believe Epstein's so-called suicide was on Barr's watch.

[Bev54]

30. I think they did and once Maxwell was indicted and jailed

They instead turned to the most current crimes of Trump. I suspect they wanted to concentrate on the greatest danger to the country. Unfortunately they did not anticipate the complete collapse of SCOTUS, against democracy.

[onenote]

32. if they had evidence that Trump was calling the shots for Epstein

why wouldn't that have been a priority to get out as a way of neutralizing the risk of Trump winning in 2024?

[Bev54]

36. I really doubt Trump was calling the shots

I think he was one of many clients of Epstein with some likely depraved and despicable proclivities. Trump is more the hanger on type of person, wanting to be liked. Epstein had far more powerful friends than Trump at that time.

[onenote]

40. I agree. My posts offer reasons why the OP's conspiracy theory is highly unlikely.

[ShazzieB]

58. I'll go a step further: I don't buy this theory at all.

The idea that he was running Epstein's pedo ring as described in the OP doesn't square with what we know about the personalities of either of these men. The reasons are many, including the following:

1. Epstein was too independent to want to be "second in command" of anything. I see him as a lone wolf, who knew what he wanted to do and how to do it. He wouldn't have needed Schlump's help.

2. Epstein was also very shrewd and canny. He had to be, to pull off what he pulled off for as long as he did. Schlump, otoh, has never been terribly bright, even before the dementia started to kick in. A guy as smart as Epstein would have seen Schlump for the blustering, empty headed loudmouth that he is and recognize that he was unreliable and not a safe person to be trusted with anything important.

3. Schlump doesn't have the attention span, the self descipline, or the work ethic to mastermind something that complicated. This is a guy who has never really had to work for anything in his life, and he is and always has been way too lazy to start. Epstein would have no interest in entrusting his darkest secrets to such a person.

I can imagine Schlump helping to recruit some of the victims. He did have access to them, as the OP pointed out, and he also had superficial charm and a sufficient veneer of power and success to impress young, inexperienced, teenage girls. But beyond that? No, I really can't see it.

Imo, the person described in the OP as masterminding Epstein's pedo operation is simply not the Donald J. Trump we all know and hate.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

74. I agree

with everything you posted.

Maxwell procured girls from Mara-Shithole.

[kentuck]

77. They did end their friendship in 2004 and Epstein was first indicted on sex charges in 2007.

In my opinion, Trump helped him to build his sex "business" and when they split, Maxwell took over the recruiting for Epstein. Epstein had someone else recruit the girls for him, it seems?

[Captain Zero]

87. I think Trump got paid big bucks by Epstein for Poon Procurement at MaraLoco

It is known that Trump passed Virginia G. from his employment at MaraLoco to the Epsteins.
Do you think she was the only one? I doubt it. Do you think Trump did it for free? Ha.
And obviously in her case he also got free access to 'the goodies' after she had been turned into a finished product.

Sorry to be so blunt, but all that seems obvious to me.

So if this much is obvious, what other similar things happened with other underage girls that we don't know about? That is why TACO is in a mad scramble to disappear all this. It's the only explanation.

[blubunyip]

92. Agree that

Epstein was the mastermind. Rump was a willing accomplice.

But I don’t agree that Don the Con is not smart. He’s clever and cunning and creative, in a sick evil way, a sadist. Knows exactly how to pick his enablers. Exactly how to pick his victims. It’s a type of twisted brilliance. Talk about gaming the system! He may get away with everything, an amazing achievement. The Shitler will have a permanent niche in the hall of archetypal villains. He’s not lazy—he’s earned it.

But OMG he’s the criminal psychopath president—currently assaulting us all on a daily basis. No boundaries. Fucking us over and over, like a serial rapist. Even the MAGAS will be realizing this, the smarter ones. They may still defend him, but they can’t unsee it.

[kentuck]

43. That is a good question.

But we must remember that when all of this was going on, Donald Trump was considered to be a Democrat. He donated money to Hillary Clinton and to Kamala Harris. He cultivated political connections. And his wealthy friends agreed to give large campaign contributions to these connections. They, in turn, received very favorable tax writing legislation, for real estate, etc.

Also, there was a lot going on in 2022 and afterward that Joe Biden and the Democrats may have considered more important than the trips to Epstein's island? They never saw it as the political opportunity they now see, because MAGA was not where they are today.

There may have been very well known Democrats that visited the island and Biden may not have wanted them exposed is another possibility.

[yourout]

52. Though largely on the right the rot likely also spilled onto the left as well...

Including some very powerful figures.

[kentuck]

56. In my opinion, it is almost like two scandals in one.

The first scandal being the big money donations and the second scandal being the child sex-ring with Epstein.

[Skittles]

71. so you think Biden, a champion of strong women, covered for pedophiles

not buying it

[onenote]

94. No, i think the OP's theory doesn't hold water.

[W_HAMILTON]

45. Blaming Biden again, huh?

Biden did not have his hand in the DOJ like Trump does.

Biden appointed Merrick Garland -- that was the extent of his primary involvement with the DOJ. And we know what a failure Garland turned out to be.

And it's no surprise that primarily the same DOJ that screwed Hillary and slow-walked the Trump investigations ended up quickly pulling a "catch and kill" to do away with all things Epstein-related under Trump.

[onenote]

95. No, I was making the point that the OP theory doesn't hold water.

Too obtuse for some folk, I guess.

[writerJT]

70. And why would Epstein keep quiet?

Law enforcement always cuts deals with people who can give up the bigger fish.

This whole theory doesn’t make sense. And of course there’s no evidence for it, at least now.

Trump was up to his bulging eyeballs in this but to think he was the ringleader? Nah. The guy can’t organize anything.

[wolfie001]

12. The way Epstein would pretend "friendship" with the help that worked on his properties

Just to meet their young daughters. What a sick f6ck. Very committed sick f6ck.

[coffeenap]

13. Agree. A wide net was flung by Epstein

to keep the money flowing. With video to silence whoever they enticed into their unforgivable behavior, they could get away with anything until Epstein became an unavoidable liability.

[spanone]

14. K&R

[ILikePie92]

15. Where?

Moldavia is not a place. Moldova is.

[kentuck]

20. Correct.

Although there was a Moldavian Republic in the old Soviet Union. Will edit the correction.

[ILikePie92]

62. Sorry, i can get a bit pedantic at times

The moldavian republic SSR = Moldova today.

Not sure why I posted that edit, no offense intended. Just being picky at the time.

[Irish_Dem]

18. Excellent theory Kentuck.

Your theory ticks the boxes.
Explains most of the data.

[Irish_Dem]

19. Sitting US President is the co-founder and partner of an extensive sex trafficking ring.

Most of the MAGAs don't care, in fact they like it.

[kentuck]

21. With the espoused "projection" theory...

...that is possibly how they came up with the Democrat sex-ring operating out of the basement of a pizza joint?

[Irish_Dem]

23. Yes. Psychopaths often accuse others of the crimes they themselves are committing.

This is quite common.
It serves to confuse the public and juries.
And humiliates the ones they falsely accuse.

[3catwoman3]

88. And don't forget Mars!

[Irish_Dem]

91. Dems have a sex ring on Mars?

[3catwoman3]

100. Old story from 2017. A guest on Alex Jones' show...

…(yes, that chronic asshole) claimed that there was a colony, on Mars, of children who had been kidnapped and sent there to be slaves.

[Irish_Dem]

101. These people are really crazy.

[3catwoman3]

103. As I've said many times, here and elsewhere, I'm never sure...

…whether to feel sorry for or scornful of people who believe this kind of BS. Truly pathetic.

[Attilatheblond]

53. Same sitting US President is allowing a bunch of unidentified thugs to kidnap people without the system documenting them

Could it be that he is still finding/disappearing people for human trafficking? Slave workers for sure, but hey, old habits die hard. I do not rule out the possibility that he is still running GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS for somebody else now.

[zorbasd]

82. It's in the Trump DNA

didn't the Trump family money originate from his grandfather who operated brothels in Canada? before immigrating to the US.

[Irish_Dem]

24. Kentuck, do you see a Russian/Putin connection in your theory?

Putin is said to run a lucrative sex/drug trafficking operation.
Also it gives him bribery material.

Was Epstein the American/European branch of the operation?
Putin has been funding Trump for a long time.

Epstein also got Prince Andrew ensnared into the operation.
Putin has been wanting to destabilize European and American democracies.

[kentuck]

39. There is always the Russian/Putin connection...

As when Trump got his big beauty show in Moscow. It gets pretty deep in conspiracy theories from there, in my opinion.

But, it is a little puzzling how and why Trump is finally agreeing to give weapons to Ukraine, albeit thru European sources, not assisting them up front. How would Putin view that in their "relationship", which up to this point, Trump has groveled to Putin in every instance.

Trump liked to brag of his sexual exploits, as when he said that his sexual adventures were his own personal "Vietnam", after he got 5 deferments to stay out of the "real" war.

No doubt, Putin, the old KGB boss, knew his likes and his weaknesses, and used that to his advantage. How far that goes is open to theory.

Putin has been very effective in weakening America and all our alliances since Trump has been in power.

[Irish_Dem]

44. Yes

And many of the women trafficked appear to be from former Russian territories?
Like Melania.
Yacht girl who made good.

It appears that Putin is not doing as Trump is requesting.
Trump wants the Nobel Prize and so has to be seen to end the war in Ukraine.
Plus he campaigned on ending it right away.
Putin is not cooperating with Trump's fantasies and plans.

Narcissists and psychopaths often fall out. What can you expect from a den of thieves?

It appears Putin is still in charge.

[kentuck]

54. So why didn't Trump just give the weapons to Zelinskyy outright?

How does he know that Ukraine will get them?

[FakeNoose]

25. Excellent theory but I believe there's more evidence that he partnered with Ghislaine Maxwell

... than with Chump, who is a bad business partner all-around.

Certainly Epstein would have recognized early on that Chump was not someone he wanted to be "in business" with. It's more likely that Chump was his target, and they somehow struck up an acquaintance while living in New York and enjoying the NY party scene. Different story with Ghislaine Maxwell who presumably learned the spy-and-kompromat business well from her father.

[kentuck]

46. I think it very possible that there was a split between Epstein and Trump...

...and that Maxwell began to do the job of recruiting that Trump once did? It is also possible that Epstein did a lot of illegal stuff after their split, reportedly over a piece of property in Palm Beach?

But Trump got him started in the business, in my opinion. And Epstein took full advantage of it. There were also rumors that Epstein attempted to recruit Ivanka.

I think Epstein partnered with both Trump and Maxwell, but just at different times.

[Bluetus]

26. This thing was bigger than Trump and Epstein

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And this is not a sex scandal.

It was a very large, organized, multi-decade operation to collect Kompromat on people who were thought to be potentially important and influential, and against whom some leverage could be very beneficial.

Trump was not the ring leader, but I agree that his role with Epstein was more as a collaborator/partner than as a client. But Trump undoubtedly sampled the 14-year-old merchandise from time to time.

How much could Epstein charge Prince Andrew for an hour with a young girl? Maybe a thousand bucks or $2000? How much would the KGB or Mussad pay for videos of that? Millions.

Epstein didn't get rich by being a pimp to the stars. He got rich by developing and selling Kompromat. When we understand that simple fact, things start to make much more sense.

[Joinfortmill]

37. Yup, and Ghislaine's father was a spy for multiple countries.

[FakeNoose]

38. Yes on all of this, and that's why Epstein would have never wanted Chump for his partner

Chump as a business partner would have ruined the entire scheme.

Epstein had a good partner in Ghislaine Maxwell, at least for a time. We'll never know how much money they made on their kompromat scheme. She learned the ropes from her dad, and she probably taught him a thing or two along the way.

When Epstein moved to Florida, I don't think she stayed there for very long. She was mostly in the New York mansion, and that's what shielded her. When Epstein got the conviction in Florida, she was already out of the partnership.

[Bluetus]

48. I don't know all the inner workings, but Here are my assumptions

1. Clearly Epstein and Maxwell were partners.
2. Epstein developed "clients" (i.e Kompromat targets) and handled the business end of things.
3. Maxwell had the knowledge of and access to the spy agencies. And of course, Maxwell was the principal in the recruiting of prostitutes, especially the grooming of young ones.
4. Epstein recognized that Trump had some connections, including mob connections, and that Trump liked the young girls. This was about the time that the KGB was grooming Trump (aka Krasnov), so there is a good chance that the KGB made it known that any Kompromat on Trump would be well rewarded.
5. But Trump wasn't just a client and target. He fancied himself mingling in the same circles where the spy agencies wanted access and control. So the relationship with Trump was, shall we say, complicated.
6. Epstein was considerably smarter and more cunning than Trump and was able to compromise Trump (that's easy) while also getting Trump to assist with recruiting others who would go into Epstein's meat grinder.
7. My bet is that Trump never really knew how completely Epstein was manipulating him. Trump loves to be the center of attention. Epstein exploited that to get Trump to bring many others into the Kompromat house.
8. I'm not convinced the FBI or other agencies have all of this in a report. But you can be practically certain that there are people in those agencies that understand the whole picture. And that is why Trump is panicking. He probably didn't realize just how big and deep the Epstein operation was until the past few years, and Trump really isn't sure what others know and who might expose the details.

[FakeNoose]

57. All good ... especially #6 and #7

It's posted here on DU, just in the last day or two, that the CIA and other intelligence agencies were warned to "stay away from Epstein" because he was a Mossad agent. Or he was working with Mossad, which is basically the same thing. Epstein wasn't being watched - on purpose - and the rumor could have easily been spread by Maxwell herself, or her father.

[Joinfortmill]

59. Makes excellent sense.

[bucolic_frolic]

27. Expansion is good

I'm thinking about a 16 lane highway. Move to the passing lanes and step on the gas!

[ImNotGod]

28. Got to remember that tRump runs a crime family and sex trafficking is just one of many criminal activities

He also owns the richest country in the world and will use that wealth and power to expand his criminal empire. The US is just another business he will extort until there is nothing left but bankruptcy.

[Hugin]

29. I see it largely the way you lay it out except for one alteration...

Trump and Epstein both worked for the same people. Performing different tasks as you say.

[spike jones]

31. MAGA---------Molesting All Girls Always

Molesting All Girls Always

[Joinfortmill]

33. Yes, to a certain extent. But without Epstein these other men would not have become involved

It wasn't only about the sex for many of these men, it was about the company of other accomplished, famous and wealthy men. It was about the conversations, the connections.

It was also to a great degree Epstein, himself that these men wanted to converse with. They certainly didn't want to converse with the dumbass in the White House. They played a very dangerous game and now, finally, some of them may pay the price for it.

[FakeNoose]

41. Yes, Jeffrey Epstein cultivated friendships with many very smart & wealthy men

He had this crazy idea to - literally - collect donations of sperm from these "geniuses" and start a new race of babies that would be generated from the "genius" sperm. I'm sure that Epstein counted himself as one of those geniuses.

[samsingh]

42. that makes a lot of sense.

[W_HAMILTON]

47. Virginia Giuffre (arguably Epstein's most well known victim) was recruited by Maxwell at Trump's Mar-a-Lago.

And that's no conspiracy theory -- it's fact:

...

Giuffre’s entry into Epstein’s web follows the pattern of Davies and Benavidez.

A high-school aged spa attendant at Mar-A-Lago, President Trump’s private club in Florida, Giuffre was reading a book about massage therapy when she was approached by a woman on a quiet day in the summer of 2000.

...

The woman, Giuffre would soon learn, was Ghislaine Maxwell. She immediately referenced Giuffre’s book.

“It's so funny that you're reading a book on that because I know this older gentleman who's looking for a traveling masseuse,” Maxwell said, according to Giuffre. “He's super rich. He flies around everywhere. If you want, you can come by for an interview.”

...

Giuffre has described what happened next in lawsuits and to a British paper several years ago. But speaking in her first TV interview, she provided an extensive account of her first encounter with Epstein.

After entering his Palm Beach mansion, Maxwell led her up a staircase and into a sparsely-furnished room.

“There’s this man laying naked on a green massage table in the middle of the room,” Giuffre said.

Epstein looked up at Maxwell and flashed a smile signaling that Giuffre described as a “cheshire cat grin.”

Taken from: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-british-teen-model-was-lured-jeffrey-epstein-s-web-n1056901

[kentuck]

49. My first thought:

What was Maxwell doing at Mar-a-Lago? Did she visit often?

[W_HAMILTON]

50. Uh, of course. Both her and Epstein were frequent visitors there.

Have you not seen all the photos/videos of them partying together there? One of the most famous clips out there was at Mar-a-Lago:

[kentuck]

51. I think the timeline is important.

According to the video, it was 1992. Was Trump just making small talk with Epstein or was he trying to make a "sell". He points to one girl and says, "She's hot!". He seemed to be trying to impress Epstein.

[TheRickles]

55. Here's a very detailed discussion of the Epstein/Trump story, emphasizing mob ties and foreign intelligence agencies.

Two investigative reporters - Greg Olear and Stephanie Koff:
https://gregolear.substack.com/p/deconstructing-the-epstein-myth-what

[mercuryblues]

60. I believe Epstein was the Frontman.

There were several people pulling the strings. A CEO wanted info on a politician, was given the order to Epstein target them. Say Putin wanted info on trump and knew about his affinity for the young girls. Epstein flew him to his private island. Now Putin has all he needs to control trump.

[bluescribbler]

63. It makes as much sense as anything else I've heard.

[AntiFascist]

66. A big, huge honey trap providing blackmail for any authoritarians wanting to control the world. n/t

[Texin]

68. Oh, I think you're spot on. It makes the most sense.

[Ilsa]

69. What about Madame Maxwell? Didn't she

procure lots of girls for the harem? Couldn't she have been in charge with Jeffrey?

[kentuck]

75. Trump and Epstein ended their friendship in 2004 over a bid on some palm Beach property.

There is a video of Trump and Epstein partying in 1992. So there was a 12-year relationship there. After their split, in my opinion, Ghislaine Maxwell took over the recruiting for Epstein. But for 10 or 12 years, I think Trump was helping him recruit the girls. Just my opinion. By the way, Epstein was indicted on sex charges in 2007, when Pam Bondi was the AG of Florida.

[onenote]

96. The evidence in the Maxwell trial established she was the procurer from "at least" 1994 to 2004.

So, no, she did not start procuring after the Epstein/Trump split in 2004.

[blubunyip]

98. Pam Bondi the AG of Florida

Riiight. Good point. The Art of the Deal.

When Trump says he’s standing by you, Pam, time to worry….

[Bread and Circuses]

76. IMO. There are dead girls that the Epstein ring covered up. And the murderer is DJT.

[FakeNoose]

84. Well, that's a little extreme, don't you think?

Chump has paid a lot of women off, including under-age girls. Why would he pay them if he planned to kill them? No I don't think that was ever his plan. It's very sad that a few of the girls who were recruited into Epstein's group have subsequently committed suicide, including Virginia Roberts Giuffre.

Chump is basically a chicken-shit anyway. He avoids personal confrontation whenever possible. He won't even fire his own employees to their faces (unlike the TV show The Apprentice.) When someone gets fired by Chump, it's usually by an email or a tweet. If he's that much of a chicken-shit, how could he be a cold-blooded murderer? Doesn't make sense.

[pat_k]

79. Trump Model Management

... was certainly human trafficking -- taking advantage of vulnerable, often undocumented, young women for cheap labor as models. These women were clearly exploited. The leap from trafficking for labor to trafficking for sex would not be too surprising.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/

...Two other former Trump models—who requested anonymity to speak freely about their experiences, and who we are giving the pseudonyms Anna and Kate—said the agency never obtained work visas on their behalf, even as they performed modeling assignments in the United States...

According to three immigration lawyers consulted by Mother Jones, even unpaid employment is against the law for foreign nationals who do not have a work visa. “If the US company is benefiting from that person, that’s work,” explained Anastasia Tonello, global head of the US immigration team at Laura Devine Attorneys in New York. These rules for immigrants are in place to “protect them from being exploited,” she said. “That US company shouldn’t be making money off you.”

Two of the former Trump models said Trump’s agency encouraged them to deceive customs officials about why they were visiting the United States and told them to lie on customs forms about where they intended to live. Anna said she received a specific instruction from a Trump agency representative: “If they ask you any questions, you’re just here for meetings.”...

When Blais lived in the apartment, she recalled, a Trump agency representative who served as a chaperone had a bedroom to herself on the ground floor of the building. A narrow flight of stairs led down to the basement, where the models lived in two small bedrooms that were crammed with bunk beds—two in one room, three in the other. An additional mattress was located in a common area near the stairs. At times, the apartment could be occupied by 11 or more people.

“We’re herded into these small spaces,” Kate said. “The apartment was like a sweatshop.”

Trump Model Management recruited models as young as 14. “I was by far the oldest in the house at the ripe old age of 18,” Anna said. “The bathroom always smelled like burned hair. I will never forget the place!” She added, “I taught myself how to write, ‘Please clean up after yourself’ in Russian.”...

[PufPuf23]

80. Trump was a big fish. Young girls were bait.

The felon is guilty as hell.

There are national security issues and that has been problem in prosecuting Epstein.

Look at Maxwell. Look at finance people like Leon Black. Look at their connections.

Your theory that Trump commanded Epstein is the smoke to make the issue go away regardless of the felon's guilt.

[Skittles]

86. Trump is too stupid to be "in command"

look at how badly he plays being "president"

Trump was definitely a part of the sordid Epstein saga but I would say some billionaires were "in charge"

[Dave Bowman]

89. Rapist And Trafficker: RAT.

[dlk]

99. The procurer...

n/t

[kentuck]

102. I have read all the comments....

...and I try to keep an open mind.

It is almost a consensus that Trump was deeply involved but not in charge. Trump and Epstein were friends from 1992 to 2004. Epstein got into most of his legal troubles after their friendship ended. So, it would appear that any Trump assistance to Epstein would have happened in that time frame. Also, it looks as if Epstein and Maxwell were the main culprits after 2004? Trump seemed to be out of the picture at that time. We do not know what Trump did for Epstein in that 10-12 year period they were friends? It appears to me that Trump was giving big donations to politicians to get tax breaks and political favors, while he was setting up trips to the island and assisting Epstein with his procurement of young ladies. It was probably a bi-partisan scandal, with enough money to cover it all up.