Did the NRA goons sexually assault protestor?

[Coyotl]

You decide:



Here's the video:

Doesn't this person have rights, like freedom of speech, and above all else,
the right to not have her breasts manhandled just so Wayne La Prick can keep talking?

[cthulu2016]

1. In answer to your question, no.

This sort of rhetorical excess does not win friends or influence people.

It is tiresome.

[Coyotl]

5. So, you are saying that was fine? They can manhandle her without regard for where they touch?

WOW, you have to be kidding!!

[cthulu2016]

9. I am not here to teach you to read

My comment means what it says, not what a deeply dishonest person would like to pretend it said.

The OP is am embarrassment to pretty much everyone in the world.

You should delete it.

[Coyotl]

13. So, do you think sexual battery or "unlawful touching" is NOT assault? Really?

[Brigid]

19. Welcome to my ignore list.

You have the dubious honor of being only the third person to be placed on it since I've been here on DU. This is not the first time I've seen you express that it seems OK in your eyes to manhandle women In any way some goon deems fit.

[cthulu2016]

34. It is an honor to be ignored by

someone such as yourself who utterly trivializes sexual assault.

[sabrina 1]

46. Do you agree with what happened to that woman? Leave out the sexual assault

charges. But the way she was roughed up, do you think this was proper to do to someone protesting peacefully and UNARMED btw?

[Duckhunter935]

2. no

[Coyotl]

6. Why no. You say that is O.K.?

[HappyMe]

3. Um...no.

[Coyotl]

7. Why no. You say that is O.K.?

[elfin]

4. No -- but she was "manhandled"

Who knows what happened off camera? Could be.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

8. Clearly. nt

[ecstatic]

10. Let's not diminish the meaning of sexual assault nt

[Maine-ah]

11. +1

n/t

[Coyotl]

14. So, have you had this experience?

It will change your mind when some strange man grabs your sexual privates, trust me!!

[Maine-ah]

16. yes, I have been sexually assaulted.

You want the deets?

[Coyotl]

12. Sexual battery or "unlawful touching" is assault, period!

Let's not diminish the seriousness of this act.

[obamanut2012]

23. Unwanted touching of breasts IS sexual assault

In most states, including mine, it includes many things other than rape.

[Judi Lynn]

15. That behavior was wildly out of line, I most clearly agree with you.

Absolutely unacceptable.

Total monsters, they're reavealing their deep hatred of ANYONE who challenges their filthy attitudes toward life.

No, people are NOT appropriate grabbing women like that. They are NOT tackling a mad dog killer, like themselves, they are physically assaulting a legally protected dissenter.

[Coyote_Tan]

17. Doesn't seem like she is interested...

... in a rational conversation.

[Coyotl]

30. So, are you inferring something?

Just one question: Does she need to be interested in a rational conversation to have the right to keep that goon's hands off her breasts?

[Judi Lynn]

36. It doesn't seem she is interesting in rational conversations? "Rational" like strong-arming someone?

Maybe you approach your life that way, but it's not the right way.

That rough behavior merely points out the sad truth there are people who are more or less human sized, and human-looking, more or less, who walk among us who don't respect the human race, and will behave like wild animals when their brutal behavior is condemned. They immediately try to eliminate anyone who disaggrees with them.

They show uso there are monsters in our midsts, unfortunately. Their sympathizers swarm to protect their "rights" to snuff out dissent.

That's much further from "rational conversation" than one wee woman with a sign.

[mythology]

18. Not from this video

She was being removed from the room, it's hard to grasp somebody who is fighting to escape your grasp.

I think in order for it to be sexual assault, there has to be intent. As best I can tell, he was just dragging her out of the room. I know when training the martial art I do, often times hands wind up accidentally in otherwise inappropriate locations. But it's certainly not sexual assault.

[madinmaryland]

20. Since the NRA is basically a bunch of fucking thugs, it would not surprise me if

something inappropriate occurred.

FUCK THE NRA.

ETA: They are actually a bunch of corporate owned fucking thugs.

[seabeyond]

21. i do not think so. nt

[cliffordu]

37. One of the many things I like about you is your

devotion, beyond all other allegiances, to the truth.

I mean it. We have disagreed a couple of times in the past, but I have NEVER felt that you put politics above the truth.

And in this instance, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

[seabeyond]

41. thank you.

it is important.

[Joe the Revelator]

22. This op is really bad.....

Like, give us all a bad name,bad.

[Bucky]

24. That phrase doesn't mean what you think it means.

Sexual assault is a pretty specific charge.

[Flatulo]

25. No. Dumb accusation that trivializes actual sexual assault. nt

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26. Would you prefer it if a choke hold or Taser was used?

[Coyotl]

28. A polite point to the door, then only place hands on both shoulders maybe.

If that is even legal. Maybe calling an officer of the law is the correct and lawful action.

Can a bar legally get away with this kind of a bouncer?

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29. Do you realistically belive...

that a "polite point to the door" would have diffused the situation in a timely a manner (if at all), or that a police officer would have handled it any differently?

The disputer was peaceably removed without harm, injury or mental anguish... save for those whom look for evidence of sexual assault where there is none.

[Coyotl]

32. Yes, a police officer handles it differently.

But, I don't want to argue about you view of "peaceful removal" at this hour.

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43. You're right... what was I thinking.

The police never use excessive force or overreact.

[Paladin]

39. No, But I Bet You Would. (nt)

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44. That's harsh, man.

Still luv'ya anyways.

.

[nolabear]

27. No. Sexual assault has sexual intent. A guard has the right to physically remove an intruder.

Mind you, I'm totally on her side. But he was wrapping his arms around her chest to muscle her out and those breasts are in the line of fire, so to speak. If she had kicked him in the balls that wouldn't have been sexual assault either.

[Coyotl]

31. Too bad she doesn't have shoulders, arms, etc.

What with three big goons there, You'd think there would be a way to politely escort her out by the upper arms perhaps. This was a rush job with no consideration for her rights. It was all about how swiftly she could be removed out of sight and earshot.

[Judi Lynn]

35. Medea Benjamin is so tiny anyone, including another woman, could have taken her arm

and led her out.

Much more is required of people as members of society than reverting to primitive, violent levels with someone who is protesting violence against human beings.

I fail to grasp why some of those who tried to attack this thread's point don't seem to recognize there is NO PLACE for cave-man tactics in this situation. There is NO justification.

I have to wonder what kind of people raised them, by god.

People who believe you actually have the right to rush up and grab anyone, and wrap big meaty paws around women are people I would never want to know. They represent the lower end of human developement which also seems oblivious to our moral command to treat others with respect, as in the golden rule.

Burbling "b-b-but she was yelling and causing a commotion" is so insufficient from adults.

It makes you wish their parents had actually taken the time to conscientiously live the way they want their children, not wild animals, to behave when they grow old enough to communicate and associate with others. If they don't we really don't have a society, do we? It's something much lower.

I have been assaulted myself, and I most deeply despised the way they grabbed Medea. I absolutely abhor it, and everyone knws that behavior from NRA storm troopers has NO place in the world.

[Coyotl]

38. Well stated. Thank you.

[lunatica]

42. NRA goons on one hand and caveman tactics on the other

Hmmmm.... It doesn't seem such a far gone way of acting to me. Not for them. And their parents were probably just like them.

They were probably wishing they could take out their guns and shoot her in the head to shut her up. Then they could just get their underlings to carry her out and dump her somewhere.

I'm sure that's their vision of what Utopia would be.

[nolabear]

45. I'm sorry you were assaulted and as I said I support her, but I also know

that you are assuming her experience from a very small bit of information and reacting to that. Arms dislocate, bones break. I hate that she was in the situation but her job was to loudly protest for as long as she could disrupt and theirs was to stop her without injuring her. I respect Code Pink and I respect her. Nowhere have I heard her claim sexual assault by these men.

And before you go off on me for "attacking" this thread I am trying to discuss the matter and simply disagree with you. How DARE you question how I was raised or what you assume I approve of. You are putting words in my mouth and then demeaning them and I will not stand for it. That is, itself, an assault, on my character, and I resent it.

[TeeYiYi]

33. No. She was physically removed from the room...

... in the same way that any protester would have been removed, regardless of gender. The guy locked his arms around her chest beneath her underarms and pulled her from the room. His hands were clasped onto his own arms to secure his hold on her.

TYY

[JoeyT]

40. No.

Not sexual assault, just plain assault. (or battery, depends on where they were)

But no, she doesn't have freedom of speech there either. No more than Wayne would have free speech here. What they should've done was ask her to leave and if she refuses call the cops and have the cops remove her.

[jillan]

47. I'd label more as being violated. I think of sexual assault as more involved then this BUT

he definitely was grabbing her breasts - and that is NOT okay.

He definitely crossed the line.

just my 2 cents.

One thing for certain is that Medea will speak out about it if she felt violated.