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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA different idea about military service:
I'm all for a self-made military.
Think about that for a second.
It's how much of the revolutionary, and civil war, was fought.
That would slash the budget super fast, and get rid of everybody who isn't paying for their own way when playing soldier. If you're willing to pay a few thousand a year (or more) to wear a uniform, great, but lets stop wasting this money on people who aren't ever in combat, or even needed for anything other than "training".
Want to pay for your portion of time on an aircraft carrier? Cool! It's like a timeshare!
Want to buy in to a tank? Great! There's only a few of you who need to spend a few hundred thousand dollars!
Want to be at a nuke silo, and have a few billion dollars to pay for it? Great!
Heck, if you want to be "supply clerk in Alaska", and are willing to pay the US government for your room and board, I'm sure we can accommodate you!
Saving Hawaii
(441 posts)Go join the military for a couple years and tell me you were getting paid big bucks to "play soldier".
sarge43
(28,942 posts)Targeting the powerless
boppers
(16,588 posts)I thought this was a volunteer force?
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)That's volunteer, right? They should be paying the public for the right! And firemen, too. And heck, any kind of job that isn't back-breaking labor, you should pay for the privilege!
I mean, it's not like the military has historically (i.e. 1975 to 2000) offered a relatively easy way for poor young people from economically depressed communities to trade a couple years of service for the chance to go to college, get a degree, and succeed instead of being locked into the socio-economic background they were born in.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)Don't necessarily agree with the OP's premise, although I do wholeheartedly support slashing the size of our military. The only reason our military is its current size is to support the American Empire overseas - why else do we need to keep troops stationed in dozens of countries around the world.
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Guy Montag
(126 posts)of our country. They are arrogant, unaccountable for the horrible things they do, and enthusiastically do the wrong things that predominantly spoil the relationship between their employers and the country subjected to their arrogant selves.
It's bad enough to suffer the damage young, ill trained troops who don't come into the military with much of an ethical foundation do when they screw up like they did at the Abu Ghraib torture scandal for example.
But just look at how the newly empowered Iraqi officials are harassing the long disposed contractors they still need to train their military.
They hate needing them, and would love to shoot many of them and dump their bodies in the ocean when they are done at their jobs.
It seems to me -- and yes I was in the military several years myself -- we would have the worst sort of military that in the end would cost us dearly were we to take your idea seriously and try to implement it.
boppers
(16,588 posts)Rather than a volunteer force?
Don't we already have that right now, a military force who is *paid*, be they soldier or contractor?
Guy Montag
(126 posts)and international law many corporate contractors thumb their noses at. Also regular military personnel can be prosecuted under the auspices of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the UCMJ.
The Iraqis remember the bloodbath of 19 innocent Iraqis slaughtered by trigger happy Halliburton mercenaries. There were many other instances of wrongful death that contractors, immune from Iraqi law got away with. many contractors carried cash with them should they need to lube up a quick getaway with some fast cash disbursements.
Even our regular military had the bad habit of carrying 'drop' weapons to use to alibi wrongfully killed, innocent Iraqis. This was was illegal and dirty in so many ways, it stagers the imagination the more one knows about it.
I am glad I didn't go to it. I was lucky, I was going to stay in for a twenty year retirement, but I wised up just before the first Gulf war and ETSed away from the mess the NeoCons have made of things.
Zalatix
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boppers
(16,588 posts)Though, I am quite amused that to make your point, you used a non-rich pirate character, a person who bore arms out of choice, for personal gain, rather than for a state's wealth.
Plus Johnny Depp rocks.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)I'm all for reducing our military presence around the world. I think we should close all foreign bases, with a few possible exceptions. We should end all of our wars. We should return our military to the way and size it was pre-WWII. The Cold War is over, we no longer need an the kind of army we have.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)boppers
(16,588 posts)How many wars did we fight, and win, while being "Underfunded, ill equiped, poorly led, and lacking in training"?
We don't need to be a modern Sparta, pumping massive amounts of wealth and effort into a war machine.
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)You've apparently been reading the wrong history books.
boppers
(16,588 posts)Nor were the constant weapons contracts, bases everywhere, etc.
First spike is WWI, second spike is WWII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)And Why?
boppers
(16,588 posts)If you're worried about, say, another country having control of your house, or shooting at your family...
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)and serve until the end of aggressions.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)Pack your bags and get ready to lead the charge...ON THE FRONT LINE...not in some cozy, secure place in some green zone somewhere.
Lasher
(27,633 posts)Other people's sons and daughters are sent into war by those who did not serve.
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)something you will get involved. Leaving people alone and not killing them is nothing like what you are saying.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)Require all 18-year-olds to affiliate with a political party. (Trust me on this: in many parts of our great land, there are people who just can't wait to enroll in the Republican Party.)
Anyone who joins a conservative party, a right-wing party or the Tea Party will immediately be conscripted into the military for five years. And they can't be promoted above the rank of corporal.
Democrats can enlist in the military but they don't have to.
This will do one of two things: it will fill the military with patriotic young conservatives, or it'll cause the GOP to die out in one generation.
hack89
(39,171 posts)when the goals and desires of the military diverge from the public's then very bad things happen - look at Pakistan or Egypt for some good examples.
hack89
(39,171 posts)hire the bodies, pay the government - that's all you need?
boppers
(16,588 posts)The super-rich can even buy their own governments, with armies attached....
However, I guess I'm proposing a US government without a costly, constant, paid, standing army....
"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)If the Plutocracy decides to seriously put down a popular revolt easily HALF the military will split off. Mainly to protect their own families.
Your plan will have it so that only the rich serve in the military. That SERIOUSLY concentrates access to top level firepower into their hands.
Sorry, but I file that under... "Do not want".
hack89
(39,171 posts)I like the idea of a modern part time militia with modern weapons dispersed throughout the community. Decentralized power is a good thing
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)This posts amuses me, but not nearly as much as the huffery in response to it. Hrrrh, hrrrh, hrrrh. Nice one.
rustydog
(9,186 posts)We go to war at multinationals bidding. Why did the grand poobah of Baghdad sign over the oil rights to oil companies as his first duty when we took Iraq and enjoyed "Mission Accomplished?" To free the Iraqi people? Really?
seriously,
Mandatory military service for every single American citizen. 3 or 4 years. If you want to reinlist after your initial service ends, good for you. If you want to apply to OCS, go for it. Or if you want to go to school, you get to pick any state college in the nation on us! You took the time to "preserve our freedoms" you should also reap a reward as thanks.
When you apply for jobs, if you are qualified and served, you should get veterans preference.
You should never have to worry about healthcare again anywhere in this country.period.
If you are an immigrant and you serve in our military (quite unlike many GOP and Dem offspring) you are automatically granted citizenship. (criminal behavior, desertion, dishonorable discharge would of course nulllify that)
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, 4 years of misery later, I was making a whopping $165 per month.
But, I like your idea.