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indusurb

(172 posts)
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:38 AM Jul 19

Are you sure you want the Epstein files released?

Is Trump on there, yeah, probably so. But there are going to be other names as well, names that are damaging to the Democratic party as well. Bill Clinton's name appears on those flight logs several times along with other notables.
https://archive.org/details/epstein-flight-logs-unredacted_202304/page/60/mode/2up

Where there's smoke, there very well could be fire. This very well could be the reason the Biden administration didn't pursue this matter.

Not saying this is for certain, we simply don't know. But it is a possibility we need to be prepared for.

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Are you sure you want the Epstein files released? (Original Post) indusurb Jul 19 OP
I certainly don't want any Democrats to oppose the release. yardwork Jul 19 #1
let the chips fall where they may. Blues Heron Jul 19 #2
Fiat justitia ruat caelum. "Let Justice be done though the heavens fall" SharonAnn Jul 19 #72
100+ InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 19 #104
Bill who? perfessor Jul 19 #3
You're right! He isn't in any type of office any more. BlueKota Jul 19 #11
Lock up any asshole that molested these young girls. Swede Jul 19 #4
I agree. BlueKota Jul 19 #14
Abso-fuckin-lutely!! I don't care who the fuckin pedo is!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 19 #103
I promise not to support Bill Clinton for office if he's in there. n/t ok_cpu Jul 19 #5
I promise to never support bill Clinton for office if he isn't SSJVegeta Jul 19 #108
Yes, I do SARose Jul 19 #6
Yeah, and Jilly_in_VA Jul 19 #56
Absolutely. Let the chips fall wildly as they may. MineralMan Jul 19 #7
There there Prairie Gates Jul 19 #8
Yes, release it all in its entirety and if there are Emile Jul 19 #9
I suspect that after Maxwell was tried, karynnj Jul 19 #10
I prefer to identify criminals, not protect them. Kid Berwyn Jul 19 #12
It's time for a reboot of ethics and morality. Baitball Blogger Jul 19 #13
Are you suggesting Democrats should engage in "team" politics? UniqueUserName Jul 19 #15
No, what I'm saying is that people need to prepare for the possibilty. indusurb Jul 19 #28
For the record, I agree with you on this /nt UniqueUserName Jul 19 #29
True, any release by the current DOJ is suspect. thought crime Jul 19 #105
I've thought about that, but . . . . . no_hypocrisy Jul 19 #16
I don't think the reaction would be big yawn Polybius Jul 19 #54
Yawning at trafficking minors to celebrities? blubunyip Jul 19 #85
Clinton himself released information about the flights JI7 Jul 19 #17
I would hope everyone here would agree that anyone involved with pedophilia should be outed and punished Wiz Imp Jul 19 #18
New York Post? please don't share right wing sources here SouthBayDem Jul 19 #93
Listen to Clinton, folks. "I never visited his island." He used the plane for flights promoting charity around world. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 19 #99
Yes they should be released. No question. emulatorloo Jul 19 #19
I'm more concerned about the victims of the crime than the perpetrators, milestogo Jul 19 #20
Melania? enid602 Jul 19 #77
YES!! bluestarone Jul 19 #21
Sara Wood LessAspin Jul 19 #22
Yes, and like his BFFE. Donald, Epstein liked to latch onto famous people, GoCubsGo Jul 19 #63
Yes. Quiet Em Jul 19 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 19 #24
I think that he has videos. Pics. And receipts of blackmail payments thru his hedge fund JT45242 Jul 19 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 19 #70
If you want people to trust you, don't protect predators and don't take their money. Passages Jul 19 #25
Yes I want all of the names released. Love the Big Dog but if he did something Autumn Jul 19 #26
We Democrats are very unlike the Maga Republicans Stuckinthebush Jul 19 #27
Yeah Jilly_in_VA Jul 19 #60
give me a fucking break. burn them all. we know most of them are GOPedo. Nimble_Idea Jul 19 #30
Am for releasing everything, yet it seems as if this whole topic is a dog allegorical oracle Jul 19 #31
Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; Ping Tung Jul 19 #32
"This very well could be the reason the Biden administration didn't pursue this matter." BULLSHIT emulatorloo Jul 19 #33
What was the real reason they weren't released before? MichMan Jul 19 #43
they were under court ordered seal til 2024. mopinko Jul 19 #50
When in 2024? MichMan Jul 19 #51
2024 he was President Polybius Jul 19 #53
According to a link from another poster, Trump is also prohibited from releasing them MichMan Jul 19 #67
Using the DoJ materials for an election stunt is very Republican thinking Prairie Gates Jul 19 #66
Doesn't matter with this gang orangecrush Jul 19 #34
I am all for those participating in the trafficking and raping of kids going down for it. travelingthrulife Jul 19 #35
Yes. I'm not interested in protecting predators. Happy Hoosier Jul 19 #36
If they are criminals they need punishment. Blue Full Moon Jul 19 #37
I really am not expecting any smoking gun johnnyfins Jul 19 #38
Let the chips fall where they may Ritabert Jul 19 #39
Yes. Rip off the fucking bandaid n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 19 #40
Yes, of course, any child sex predator should be exposed no matter who they are. Think. Again. Jul 19 #41
Yes, to HELL with wealth & privilege shielding pervs from accountability Martin Eden Jul 19 #42
I have no loyalty to any one participating in Epstein's child molestation scheme. I dont give a damn Nanjeanne Jul 19 #44
The world of kid touchers has a revolving door. Those going in see who's going out. Hotler Jul 19 #45
Absolutely yes, release all the information Metaphorical Jul 19 #46
Yes. I'm sure. And anyone who molested a little girl should be prosecuted. ANYONE. Scrivener7 Jul 19 #47
I don't care if my grandma is on a list of rapists, release it EdmondDantes_ Jul 19 #48
Boston had a list of men who used a Tesha Jul 19 #49
Much more important that the files be released to show his supporters what a liar he is andym Jul 19 #52
I frankly DGAF who's on it Jilly_in_VA Jul 19 #55
I'll wager Buttigieg, AOC, Booker, Newsom and all the other rising stars in the Democratic party aren't in those files. sop Jul 19 #57
The fewer child molesters free the better, I am not attached to politicians or celebrities and their perceived status. Brainfodder Jul 19 #58
lol what!? Oneironaut Jul 19 #59
The nearest thing I have to a reservation is intelligence matters, and that's mainly because... JHB Jul 19 #61
FWIW From a Reddit post emulatorloo Jul 19 #69
100% MuseRider Jul 19 #62
Yes, let the chips fall where they may. republianmushroom Jul 19 #64
According to another post, Trump is prohibited from releasing them MichMan Jul 19 #68
Sunlight is the best disinfectant. hamsterjill Jul 19 #71
If Bill Clinton KentuckyWoman Jul 19 #73
Of course. Ferrets are Cool Jul 19 #74
Why would anyone want a pedophile to get away with it? usedtobedemgurl Jul 19 #75
Bullshit. W_HAMILTON Jul 19 #76
Anyone who is in the file TheFarseer Jul 19 #78
So what if there are Dems in those files... MiHale Jul 19 #79
If there's a Democrat on the list, they deserve everything they get. It's as criminal for them as it is for Trump. Vinca Jul 19 #80
Yes. ANYONE who hurt children needs to be taken down. still-prayin4rain Jul 19 #81
I want anyone who raped women and girls outed. nolabear Jul 19 #82
Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of justice. LudwigPastorius Jul 19 #83
you may be at the wrong board FHRRK Jul 19 #84
Even if it's Hunter Biden? ChrisW001 Jul 19 #92
Lol FHRRK Jul 19 #96
Merrick Garland was an incompetent idiot, and the Biden Administration played an outdated antiquated political game. lees1975 Jul 19 #86
Yes of course. Woodwizard Jul 19 #87
Everyone knew about Trump's affiliation with Epstein LS0999 Jul 19 #88
It didn't have an effect because his cult followers didn't believe he was involved. Now they some suspect Pisces Jul 19 #89
If the Dem party can't survive disclosure, snot Jul 19 #90
There is a difference between being on a plane and being on a video/CD showing assault on minors. Attilatheblond Jul 19 #91
Bill Clinton has long been out of politics and is already scarred by a sex scandal... AntiFascist Jul 19 #94
How do we "prepare for the possibility"? MorbidButterflyTat Jul 19 #95
Good question. Head to the storm cellar? Fast and pray? I'm not sure either. Scrivener7 Jul 19 #110
#1 I think Epstein did favors by offering flights within the US to important people ... Hekate Jul 19 #97
Why is this right wing talking point on this forum? BootinUp Jul 19 #98
Clinton used the plane to promote charity around the world. He never went to the island. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 19 #100
Yes. Justice for the raped children. Irish_Dem Jul 19 #101
Take the sabbat hunter Jul 19 #102
Hell the yeah! I don't give a mouse's behind who's on the list, thugs, dems or anyone...but would like to know... wcmagumba Jul 19 #106
I don't give a flying fuck if Democrats are on there. GaYellowDawg Jul 19 #107
YES. Jirel Jul 19 #109
Yes. I don't care who's name is there, it should be public, and prosecutions should happen. mucholderthandirt Jul 20 #111

SharonAnn

(14,088 posts)
72. Fiat justitia ruat caelum. "Let Justice be done though the heavens fall"
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:54 PM
Jul 19

This is a Latin saying that asserts the primacy of Justice!

I will be unhappy if there are some of our leaders involved, but “Let Justice be done!”

BlueKota

(4,445 posts)
11. You're right! He isn't in any type of office any more.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:48 AM
Jul 19

Plus my guess is we will have a lot more current House and Senate people than they do who aren't on it.

SARose

(1,687 posts)
6. Yes, I do
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:42 AM
Jul 19

There may be a lot of recognizable names in these documents. I hope not but let the chips fall where they may.

Is Trump protecting someone? He knows his name is everywhere in these documents.

On another note, let’s not forget Pam Bondi was Florida’s AG until 2019. Why didn’t she bring charges?

MineralMan

(149,570 posts)
7. Absolutely. Let the chips fall wildly as they may.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:43 AM
Jul 19

The absolute corruption illustrated by this whole thing is a stain on our government and its leaders.

I don't care who is caught up in it. As far as I'm concerned, they're all scumbag assholes.

Leave the children alone, dammit!

Emile

(36,174 posts)
9. Yes, release it all in its entirety and if there are
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:47 AM
Jul 19

Democratic and Republican politicians on the list raping underage girls, we want them facing justice.

karynnj

(60,432 posts)
10. I suspect that after Maxwell was tried,
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:48 AM
Jul 19

the DOJ likely did go through whatever files existed. I think standard procedure (yes, violated by Comey) has been that investigations stay secret until there is sufficient evidence to warrant the DOJ indicting a person.

It may be, especially if Maxwell was not providing any backup, there was not sufficient information to win a conviction against anyone. Even if most are skeptical even those known to have gone to his island might make statements like Deursowitz.

All the same it would, as in his case, harm reputations.

Baitball Blogger

(50,594 posts)
13. It's time for a reboot of ethics and morality.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:50 AM
Jul 19

White males who have partaken in illicit parlances have caused enough damage in society. What they do to hide their peccadillos is used as leverage against them to turn their votes. We, in the end, have suffered.

I'm all for a reboot.

UniqueUserName

(369 posts)
15. Are you suggesting Democrats should engage in "team" politics?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:51 AM
Jul 19

If so, I strongly disagree. If any Democrat abused children, they should be punished not protected.

This sounds suspiciously like what my Republican sister said when I expressed my displeasure at caging children. Her response was "well Obama did it too. . ."

---- which was not true. Obama did not separate children from their parents unless the parents were convicted criminals.

indusurb

(172 posts)
28. No, what I'm saying is that people need to prepare for the possibilty.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:19 AM
Jul 19

You know that if somebody like Clinton shws up in the files, the right is going to run with that 24/7, especially if Trump's in there, "but, but, but Clinton!". We've seen this before.

My worst thought is that the Trump administration will scrub the files of anything Trump, while releasing the rest, especial,y if Clinton is in there. That's why I would rather have seen the Biden administratio release the files, I trust them more in releasing all the files, not just cherry picked ones.

Personally, I want everything released, no matter who gets burned, justice for all.

no_hypocrisy

(52,399 posts)
16. I've thought about that, but . . . . .
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:52 AM
Jul 19

1. Clinton and Epstein doesn't affect past governmental and/or public policy, just his foundation.
2. It would elicit a big yaaaaawn. We've already been through Monica L. decades ago.
3. The only person I can see the "revelation" affecting would be Hillary and I'm certain she already knows. Chelsea, negligible damage, if any. Grandkids might get a giggle.

Polybius

(20,607 posts)
54. I don't think the reaction would be big yawn
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:46 AM
Jul 19

It would not be compared to Monica. She was 22, a legal adult.

blubunyip

(243 posts)
85. Yawning at trafficking minors to celebrities?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:20 PM
Jul 19

Don’t think so. Nobody in my world would be yawning. Grandkids might “ get a giggle!? “ what? These are premeditated crimes, right? Not little flings.

Absolutely the truth should come out. In the name of justice for the victims. And for the removal of the subhuman demon inhabiting the White House. I think we as a country could and should unite in this. We badly need an exorcism.

Wiz Imp

(6,277 posts)
18. I would hope everyone here would agree that anyone involved with pedophilia should be outed and punished
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:02 AM
Jul 19

regardless what party they belong to. Republicans only care because they think the Epstein files implicate Democrats and only Democrats. Democrats care because they know the Epstein files implicate people engaged in pedophilic activity regardless of Party ID. If there is evidence in the files that someone was engaged in this heinous behavior, they should go down whomever they are.

As for Bill Clinton specifically:
https://nypost.com/2024/11/15/us-news/bill-clinton-talks-odd-jeffrey-epstein-in-new-memoir-citizen/

The former president addressed his controversial ties with Epstein in his upcoming memoir “Citizen,” claiming that he used the financier’s private plane — nicknamed the Lolita Express — in connection to his work with the Clinton Global Initiative, according to excerpts first reported by The US Sun.

Those reported trips occurred prior to Epstein’s 2005 conviction on child-sex charges in Florida. “The bottom line is, even though it allowed me to visit the work of my foundation, traveling on Epstein’s plane was not worth the years of questioning afterward,” Clinton wrote, according to the outlet.

In 2019, a Clinton spokesperson also acknowledged the ex-president flew on the Lolita Express in 2002 and 2003, according to The US Sun.

The spokesperson said Clinton took four trips on Epstein’s private plane — once to Europe, once to Asia, and twice to Africa.

SouthBayDem

(32,801 posts)
93. New York Post? please don't share right wing sources here
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:16 PM
Jul 19
Excerpt from Clinton's book - "...by the time he was first arrested in 2005, I had stopped contact with him. I've never visited his island."

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,301 posts)
99. Listen to Clinton, folks. "I never visited his island." He used the plane for flights promoting charity around world. nt
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 06:55 PM
Jul 19

milestogo

(21,409 posts)
20. I'm more concerned about the victims of the crime than the perpetrators,
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:05 AM
Jul 19

whomever they may be.

enid602

(9,501 posts)
77. Melania?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:22 PM
Jul 19

Even Melania, should it be revealed that she reached her meteoric heights via Epstein & Company?

LessAspin

(1,656 posts)
22. Sara Wood
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:06 AM
Jul 19

Sara Wood has the best answer to this question ⁉️

If Clinton is guilty he should also go to jail. But the flight log shows he flew on the plane on an AIDS mission with Chris Tucker to Africa, taking several flights from country to country. Many people used Epstein's plane for legit reasons as well.

Sara Wood (@therealsarawood.bsky.social) 2025-07-18T20:36:04.224Z

GoCubsGo

(34,116 posts)
63. Yes, and like his BFFE. Donald, Epstein liked to latch onto famous people,
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:12 PM
Jul 19

in order polish his own credentials. It was much akin to Trump always slapping his name on other people's work.

Quiet Em

(2,094 posts)
23. Yes.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:07 AM
Jul 19

Sexual assault and sexual abuse of 13 and 14 year old girls is not ok no matter who the hell you are.

Response to indusurb (Original post)

JT45242

(3,513 posts)
65. I think that he has videos. Pics. And receipts of blackmail payments thru his hedge fund
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:44 PM
Jul 19

There were cameras everywhere to gather blackmail material.

It made no sense that people were giving that much money at high commission to s guy who was not a finance genius or venture capital guru.

As ever. Follow the money and pics

Response to JT45242 (Reply #65)

Passages

(3,390 posts)
25. If you want people to trust you, don't protect predators and don't take their money.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:11 AM
Jul 19

For whatever reason, you rationalize it's okay to do.

Autumn

(48,185 posts)
26. Yes I want all of the names released. Love the Big Dog but if he did something
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:12 AM
Jul 19

wrong I want him held accountable. That goes for anyone, I don't give a damn.

Stuckinthebush

(11,165 posts)
27. We Democrats are very unlike the Maga Republicans
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:12 AM
Jul 19

If a Dem politician EVER engaged in such activities we would demand his prosecution. We aren't a cult.

That's a hard thing for Magats to understand.

Nimble_Idea

(2,720 posts)
30. give me a fucking break. burn them all. we know most of them are GOPedo.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:24 AM
Jul 19

MAGA child fuckers burn in hell.

allegorical oracle

(5,438 posts)
31. Am for releasing everything, yet it seems as if this whole topic is a dog
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:26 AM
Jul 19

chasing its tail. First, it's doubtful that grand jury material will be released. That's okay because that material only pertains to the two people who were accused of the crimes: Epstein and Maxwell. No other offenders were ever criminally charged.

We're told reams of other information exists, including hundreds of hours of videos possessed by Epstein the voyeur. Those items likely could be released, but we can be sure if TSF is among that evidence, it will stay locked away. He will use the excuse that the DOJ cannot, by law, release any material. His outraged MAGA sheep will buy fresh hats and quietly retire to their barns.

Meanwhile, TSF keeps tightening the screws on every aspect of our lives -- actions that will kill perfectly good, innocent people. That's where we need to concentrate our curiosity, investigative skills and rage so we can win the midterms.



Ping Tung

(3,162 posts)
32. Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice;
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:28 AM
Jul 19
Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. Lord Acton

emulatorloo

(46,073 posts)
33. "This very well could be the reason the Biden administration didn't pursue this matter." BULLSHIT
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:31 AM
Jul 19

Sick and tired of people on DU manufacturing bullshit conspiracy theories about Joe Biden.

MichMan

(15,536 posts)
43. What was the real reason they weren't released before?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:52 AM
Jul 19

Would have been a great October surprise against Trump.

Prairie Gates

(5,733 posts)
66. Using the DoJ materials for an election stunt is very Republican thinking
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:49 PM
Jul 19

Weird, weird stuff.

orangecrush

(25,881 posts)
34. Doesn't matter with this gang
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:32 AM
Jul 19

If they release anything, you will only see what they want you to see.

travelingthrulife

(2,946 posts)
35. I am all for those participating in the trafficking and raping of kids going down for it.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:36 AM
Jul 19

Putting Maxwell alone in jail is not going to end it.

Happy Hoosier

(9,025 posts)
36. Yes. I'm not interested in protecting predators.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:36 AM
Jul 19

I don’t want predators protected just because they are on my tram. Let the chips fall where they may.

Not everyone on the flight logs was participating in sexual predation. But those that were should be exposed.

Blue Full Moon

(2,515 posts)
37. If they are criminals they need punishment.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:37 AM
Jul 19

Part of what is broken with the country's law. Rich and powerful need to be treated the same as anyone else. That's how we have gotten to this point. Trump should have been in jail decades ago.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
41. Yes, of course, any child sex predator should be exposed no matter who they are.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:49 AM
Jul 19

Being rich, famous, or a good politician doesn't exempt anyone from being a decent human being.

Martin Eden

(14,670 posts)
42. Yes, to HELL with wealth & privilege shielding pervs from accountability
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:49 AM
Jul 19

Underage young ladies are VICTIMS, regardless of decisions they may or may not have made.

Nanjeanne

(6,313 posts)
44. I have no loyalty to any one participating in Epstein's child molestation scheme. I dont give a damn
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:53 AM
Jul 19

R or D. I would expect the files contain information that would damage more than Rs but I don’t think simply flying on a plane constitutes immediate condemnation. I’d like all the facts and all the perpetrators punished.

Hotler

(13,364 posts)
45. The world of kid touchers has a revolving door. Those going in see who's going out.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:55 AM
Jul 19

That's why nobody snitches on each other. Kid touching is bipartisan. Those afraid to say boo to the orange convict are on the list, IMO.
There may be more than one list used to blackmail. Epstein is gone, somebody has taken his place as pimp. Kid touchers need their fix, they just don't stop. For sure there are others around the world that are on the list also. I don't hear countries asking for the file so they can investigate their own elites.

Could we be on the verge of a world wide kid touching scandal? Where is INTERPOL?

Metaphorical

(2,482 posts)
46. Absolutely yes, release all the information
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:00 AM
Jul 19

Bill Clinton was in office a quarter century ago. He was so tarred by the Monica Lewinsky scandal that him being on that list would not surprise anyone. Frankly, if either Biden or Obama were on that list (by which I assume we're probably talking about accounting ledgers) then they probably do need to be held accountable, but I rather doubt that they are - Trump and the GOP would have used that as ammunition long before now.

Epstein was running a blackmail racket - make sure there were plenty of photos, videos, and recordings being taken of at events that featured attractive young women and men, alcohol, and drugs, then using these to extort blackmail payments and political favors. This is one of the oldest cons in the book, and no doubt it was also one of the tools that Trump took advantage of in his own climb to power. It was also why Epstein ultimately had to die - the evidence would clearly show Trump's fingerprints all throughout the collection of this blackmail trove.

One key point on Q-Anon type conspiracy theories (QACTs) - most such theories connect the dots, but it is the interpretation of those connections that often gets skewed because of a pronounced bias to want to justify your beliefs by making the evidence fit the conclusion rather than the other way around. This is what is being tested now, as all the Epstein evidence comes back to light. My suspicion is that the one conclusion that Trump DOES NOT want anyone to make is that he was an active partner with Epstein in building this blackmail scheme, because he most benefited from.

EdmondDantes_

(700 posts)
48. I don't care if my grandma is on a list of rapists, release it
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:10 AM
Jul 19

That said, I also doubt a list that says person A abused victim 1 on this date and a DVD of the crime exists. Not like Epstein could really come forward and provide a video taped on his island and not be implicated himself.

If he didn't use it to try to bury people when he was arrested and facing life in prison, or as a strike from beyond the grave, I don't think it exists.

Tesha

(21,048 posts)
49. Boston had a list of men who used a
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:26 AM
Jul 19

Brothel

And they were all on the same trial list, all named together, one and all.

That is how this should be done, not drips and drops but one list, and next to each name the number to times they attended.

And yes, Dems too.

You know, we need a database of all the men who are found to use children for sex. Open for all to see.

andym

(6,020 posts)
52. Much more important that the files be released to show his supporters what a liar he is
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:42 AM
Jul 19

The evidence for Trump as an inveterate liar is extensive, but his followers don't believe any of it. Trump promised to release everything about Epstein, and if and when he does, the right wing conspiracy theories will not be not supported, some MAGAs will realize they were played by Trump and his fellow travelers.
If Trump himself is implicated in Epstein's world, that would be even better. If some Democrats associated with Epstein that should be made public and let the chips fall where they may, but that is far less important then revealing Trump for who he really is to his followers.

Jilly_in_VA

(12,541 posts)
55. I frankly DGAF who's on it
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:48 AM
Jul 19

If there are Democrats on the list, sobeit. They should have known better. Child rapists are child rapists. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas, and in this case, the fleas all have the EPSTEIN virus. So yeah, I definitely support it, and let the chips fall where they may.

sop

(15,329 posts)
57. I'll wager Buttigieg, AOC, Booker, Newsom and all the other rising stars in the Democratic party aren't in those files.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:51 AM
Jul 19

What you'll find are a bunch of wealthy, creepy, well-connected, older white men who deserve to be outed. Let the chips fall where they may.

Brainfodder

(7,554 posts)
58. The fewer child molesters free the better, I am not attached to politicians or celebrities and their perceived status.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:52 AM
Jul 19

OPEN THE BARN already!

Oneironaut

(6,088 posts)
59. lol what!?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:53 AM
Jul 19

They’re all pedophiles. It doesn’t matter who they are or how much it hurts Democrats. Shine the light on the cockroaches.

JHB

(37,797 posts)
61. The nearest thing I have to a reservation is intelligence matters, and that's mainly because...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:00 PM
Jul 19

...I want to know what a deal fully entails before committing to it. But if no other choice, no objection. If some of "our" people were "customers", let them burn. The only way to stop feeling sick and constipated is to let the shits drop in the toilet.

As for Clinton being on the flight logs, I can easily see that as "concentration of mega-rich = fundraising feeding ground". My impression of Clinton formed over the past 35-odd years (with no special knowledge nor personal contact) is that he's a charmer (sometimes too much for his own good), not a creeper, and given the time frame (recently after leaving office and the whole witch-hunt after him), avoiding further improprieties of that sort would be very high in his mind. So I think that was all transportation, connections, and fundraising. But, if it turns out he did "partake", again, let 'im burn.

emulatorloo

(46,073 posts)
69. FWIW From a Reddit post
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:37 PM
Jul 19
We've been hearing massive amounts about Bill Clinton's sex life against our will longer than I've been alive

If there was something about him somewhere in the Epstein stuff Trump would have probably thrown that out, especially since everyone is still pathologically obsessed with Hillary Clinton.


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You wrote:

But if no other choice, no objection. If some of "our" people were "customers", let them burn.


Damn right!

MuseRider

(34,857 posts)
62. 100%
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:06 PM
Jul 19

Any man who would do this or even just go and see what was going on and NOT try to make it stop, and I mean EVERY man is not a person who cares about any of us in any way. All about him. Always about him. No, in the full scheme of things I am also doubtful "the "girls" love the attention".

Abusing women seems to always be on the table as a "shhhhh". Why? Partly because of the " boys will be boys" attitude that still is around and/or it is about I want it so this is OK thing. You don't hear these things as much anymore but really when have you seen most of these happenings become a serious story? They come in for a day or even maybe a slow but quiet week.

Just a woman.

hamsterjill

(16,153 posts)
71. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:45 PM
Jul 19

If Clinton is on there, and whoever else, then let it happen. But make it clear and make it fair.

Were there any accusations against Clinton in the testimony during Maxwell's trial? I haven't seen anything, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The testimony of the pseudonym Katie Johnson specifically named Trump. If testimony existed as to Clinton or any other high ranking (yes, I know what I'm saying here because I'm speaking of influence) Democrat, wouldn't it have been "suspiciously" leaked at the same time the testimony came out about Trump?

Raping under age girls is a crime no matter who does it. Full stop. But I can't see Bill Clinton doing that. I can see him flirting and screwing around with young, beautiful women, but I never saw him as a pedophile. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. One pays for their thrills.

KentuckyWoman

(7,167 posts)
73. If Bill Clinton
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:56 PM
Jul 19

Did anything wrong to kids, he deserves to go down with everyone else. And anyone who knowingly protected them can go down too.

Take them ALL down.

This said. Not everyone who went there was there to rape kids. It was a rich and powerful hobnob location. If someone kept going there after Epstein got busted the first time then no excuse.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,777 posts)
75. Why would anyone want a pedophile to get away with it?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:05 PM
Jul 19

Only if they are pedophiles! Lock then all up. It is sick to let a child rapist go free because of any party affiliation.

W_HAMILTON

(9,381 posts)
76. Bullshit.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:14 PM
Jul 19

Biden did not have his hands in the DOJ like Trump has. Biden appointed Merrick Garland and other positions a president is expected to appoint -- that's it.

And MERRICK GARLAND barely went after Trump for actual crimes we fucking watched him commit. He certainly wasn't covering for Democrats and neither were those that threatened a mutiny under Comey to pressure him to screw Hillary over and those that slow-walked the Trump prosecutions.

TheFarseer

(9,619 posts)
78. Anyone who is in the file
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:24 PM
Jul 19

And was doing something wrong should be held accountable. If any Democrats were involved in sex trafficking minors, even if they were “just customers”, they should be brought to justice period.

And not just politicians - mega donors are probably the biggest reason this isn’t being released. I want them brought to justice as much as anyone. They think their money will get them out of any and all trouble and I hope they are wrong.

MiHale

(11,966 posts)
79. So what if there are Dems in those files...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:32 PM
Jul 19

Wrong is wrong…crime is crime no matter who commits the crime. We can’t scream about a coverup then hope for a coverup for select individuals, then we are no better and just should shut our mouths.
If it’s found that the Biden Administration didn’t pursue because of who may be included then the Biden Administration was wrong and should be held to account for their actions.

Vinca

(52,457 posts)
80. If there's a Democrat on the list, they deserve everything they get. It's as criminal for them as it is for Trump.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:42 PM
Jul 19

nolabear

(43,792 posts)
82. I want anyone who raped women and girls outed.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:51 PM
Jul 19

Republican, Democrat, politician, celebrities, anyone.

FHRRK

(1,160 posts)
84. you may be at the wrong board
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:05 PM
Jul 19

Democrats aren't hypocritical assholes. Actually most Dems aren't assholes.

So if a Dem is on the list with other evidence of abuse of minors, then that Dem can fry along side the Orange ShitStain.

 

ChrisW001

(3 posts)
92. Even if it's Hunter Biden?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:11 PM
Jul 19

His father insisted he wouldn't get a pardon but then changed his mind at the last minute. How do you charge him for anything?

lees1975

(6,716 posts)
86. Merrick Garland was an incompetent idiot, and the Biden Administration played an outdated antiquated political game.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:25 PM
Jul 19

Pursuing Trump would have looked "too political." An old school politician like Biden wasn't going to make that reputation. Yet another example of where Democratic leadership lacked the kind of risk taking boldness necessary to convince us they are for us, instead of turf protecting and looking after their own interests.

Sorry, but that's the way I see it. We are engaged in a foot shooting contest that is going to turn this country over to Christian Nationalist Fascists who are going to dump Trump and Vance, and their clown show cabinet, and take over in a heartbeat.

Woodwizard

(1,189 posts)
87. Yes of course.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:38 PM
Jul 19

Anyone who has abused women especially under age deserves to pay the consequences.

I voted for Elliott Spitzer then when the 9000$ sex worker scandal came out I was done with him. The hypocrisy of his integrity and moral principles that he championed was infuriating.

LS0999

(231 posts)
88. Everyone knew about Trump's affiliation with Epstein
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:40 PM
Jul 19

It had no effect on the outcome of the election whatsoever. This Epstein issue is a distraction.

Pisces

(6,072 posts)
89. It didn't have an effect because his cult followers didn't believe he was involved. Now they some suspect
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:16 PM
Jul 19

him because he didn’t immediately release info.

snot

(11,237 posts)
90. If the Dem party can't survive disclosure,
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:50 PM
Jul 19

then the party desperately needs reform; and the best way to start is to root out serious corruption.

Bear in mind, it's generally believed that Epstein's operation was tolerated for as long as it was because he was amassing info that could be used to blackmail important people into doing or going along with things that they wouldn't otherwise have done or gone along with – potentially treasonously. If that's true, and there's plenty of reason to be concerned about the possibility, we need to cut that cancer out.

And that would include prosecuting not only the perpetrators, but anyone who used their crimes against them, whether it was our own intel agencies or anyone else.

Attilatheblond

(6,779 posts)
91. There is a difference between being on a plane and being on a video/CD showing assault on minors.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:08 PM
Jul 19

I want it all out in the open.

AntiFascist

(13,579 posts)
94. Bill Clinton has long been out of politics and is already scarred by a sex scandal...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:30 PM
Jul 19

the real issue for MAGA is the ridiculous Q-anon pizzagate conspiracy theory allegedly involving Hillary Clinton, and I highly doubt that she would be involved with this.

Hekate

(98,680 posts)
97. #1 I think Epstein did favors by offering flights within the US to important people ...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 06:21 PM
Jul 19

In other words, I no more think Hillary Clinton was involved in his trafficking activities than I am. But how useful to him to have all kinds of people’s names on his flight manifests.

Bill Clinton’s name worried me more when it popped up several years ago. But I will take H2O Man’s word for it from a few days back that his sources indicate that Bill had nothing to do with the evil either.

Epstein was a financial figure in NYC and as such had plenty of cover for having his photo taken with the wealthy and influential at social occasions.

So bring it on. The GOP has much more to fear than we do.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,301 posts)
100. Clinton used the plane to promote charity around the world. He never went to the island. . . . . nt
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 07:01 PM
Jul 19

sabbat hunter

(7,015 posts)
102. Take the
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 07:14 PM
Jul 19

chomos down. All of them.
Arrest them, put them on trial. If convicted, put in gen pop.

wcmagumba

(4,462 posts)
106. Hell the yeah! I don't give a mouse's behind who's on the list, thugs, dems or anyone...but would like to know...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 07:36 PM
Jul 19
I most definitely do not mean to imply that I favor the sick criminal activities with under aged girls. Should be some jail time handed out but it is probably too late for that...statute of limitations and such...

GaYellowDawg

(5,031 posts)
107. I don't give a flying fuck if Democrats are on there.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 07:41 PM
Jul 19

Release the list. If you're worried about the optics, if Democrats are the ones who release it while Republicans tried to cover it up, it won't matter who's on the list. Republicans will get stuck with the cover-up.

Jirel

(2,355 posts)
109. YES.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 07:45 PM
Jul 19

If Bill Clinton is such trash that he’s on there - and that goes for any other Dems along with GOP - screw them, they’re done.

Seriously, how do you even justify your immorality of parroting the MAGA value of protecting pedophiles for political expediency? So deplorable.

mucholderthandirt

(1,623 posts)
111. Yes. I don't care who's name is there, it should be public, and prosecutions should happen.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 09:49 AM
Jul 20

It's about time women and girls become cherished and not abused, by anyone, ever.

If Clinton is there, it doesn't matter to me. If he did wrong, he needs to pay, just like anyone else.

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