I want all assault rifle owners to turn them in, possession of them made a felony

[Philosoraptor]

I won't be happy with just an assault weapons ban, I want all the people who currently own them to give them up. You can have all the damn squirrel guns, shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers, pistols or pop guns you want, but no civilian needs a fucking assault weapon.

And when the ATF shows up for you to voluntarily give up your military assault weapons, you'd better damn well not pull a david koresh branch davidian stunt, because our constitutionally guaranteed, well regulated militia, the U.S. Army has more guns than anyone else.

You can keep your Bibles, and you can keep your religion, and you can keep your pornography and you can keep your paranoia and your racism and your hatred too, but you have to give up your precious, masturbatory assault machine guns.

It should be the law of the land. All civilians turn in your assault rifles, voluntarily, patriotically, peacefully, you don't need them, our soldiers do.

[cthulu2016]

1. Does to constitute a "taking" in your view?

[Codeine]

2. You may indeed want that, but it will not happen. nt

[Upton]

3. I don't think so..

[atreides1]

4. And as my mother used to tell me.

The devils in hell want ice water!

[Taverner]

5. The only way you could do that, without armed insurrection, would be to buy them back

And GENEROUSLY buy them back

That's what Australia did

They paid up to triple MSRP to buy them back

[Hoyt]

54. So the owners aren't as law-abiding as we've been told.

[Taverner]

56. OMG No!

Like anyone on the fringe - they fight to protect their fringe

[Taverner]

57. BTW...may I suggest carrots instead of sticks? nt

[Rex]

6. So how are we going to make sure nobody has an assault rifle in their home?

Will we let the govt put cameras in every home, just to make sure - you know national security etc.. ?

I like your line of reasoning, but what you want is impossible and you know this.

[obamanut2012]

7. What is an assault rifle?

[Skittles]

9. I'd say one without bullets, that can be used as a club

all the rest - fuck this ASSAULT bullshit - they are KILL rifles

[chimpymustgo]

31. They should be called "mass murder" rifles. Control the language with the truth.

[derby378]

33. You mean "with emotional tripe," don't you?

There's YOUR truth, and then there's THE truth.

See what you did? You made me pull something out of Karl Rove's playbook. I feel dirty now. Bleah.

[Skittles]

53. GEE, big surprise there

[Skittles]

8. the cowards will cling to them

they're beyond pathetic

[ProgressiveProfessor]

10. You might want to think what it would take for that to be legal

and then find a real deep pocket.

[AZ Progressive]

11. Assault Rifles like the AR-15 anyway can be easily converted into automatic

Not even semi-automatic assault rifles should be permitted.

[Recursion]

16. They can be converted into helicopters too

It's terrifying.

[former-republican]

23. ha ha

[Mec9000]

20. No they can not.. Stick with facts..

[AZ Progressive]

22. What about this then

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-rifles-shotgun-discussion/124660-convert-your-ar-15-full-auto-legally.html

Not fully automatic but almost fully automatic at 7 to 10 bullets a second. And this is apparently legal.

[Mec9000]

41. Well

As you stated it is not full auto and it is not controllable. It is what called bumbfiring. Not accurate and not reliable.

[Gregorian]

12. It's not the guns. I know that sounds gun nutty. And we do need gun control. But it's a symptom.

Sure, we need to get guns out of the hands of nutcases. But what is a nutcase? Who is the "problem". We can patch the symptoms, but we simply must change the culture. More than culture, it's the actual quality of people.

An example of quality is Bush versus Obama. One is emotionally unstable, the other is "together".

I wouldn't be within a mile of Bush, if he had a gun. I'd stand next to Obama though. One man is dangerous, the other is great.

It seems like I can't get this message across without causing commotion.

Raise shit people, get shit results. And I'm not blaming. I'm saying people are too busy being sick, working, paying mortgages, being drunk, depressed, to even get to the point where they're emotionally free to raise good children.

I'm posting this shit because it's what I feel. I know it causes distress in parent. They all think they're doing such a good job. Well, the results are in, and people are killing each other.

I have to add something. It IS also environmental input. However, if someone is together enough, the environmental stuff isn't input. Kids are taught to know better. I only know three or four people in my entire life who were raised like this.

[Lizzie Poppet]

13. Can't always get what you want.

I think a noted British philosopher once said something along those lines...

As for the rest of your screed, virtually nothing in it bears the slightest resemblance to reality. Hard to know where to start.

First, the ATF is not the military. They have nothing to do with each other, and the latter is forbidden by law to act in matters of domestic law enforcement. That law exists for a damn good reason.

Next, the military isn't the "well regulated militia." One can make the case that the National Guard is part of the militia, but the regular military is just that: the regular military. They're not the same thing.

As for "my" Bibles, religion, pornography, paranoia, and hated, I have none of the above. I'm an atheist, a rather hard-core liberal (a confirmed socialist), a feminist, and my mental health's just fine, thanks. Keep your inane, borderline-slanderous assumptions to yourself, pal.

Loved this gem: "assault machine guns." You really don't know the first thing about firearms, do you?

Oh, and one last thing: "All civilians turn in your assault rifles, voluntarily, patriotically, peacefully, you don't need them, our soldiers do." No, not really. They have plenty of their own. Civilians don't have "assault rifles," save in very, very small numbers. They have millions of semi-automatic rifles and carbines that look like actual assault rifles, but don't actually operate like assault rifles (which can fire in fully-automatic mode, like a machine gun; the civilian ones can't).

Still, as uninformed-but-hysterical rants go, that one was top notch. I'm sure you feel much better now...

[former-republican]

15. "I'm sure you feel much better now"

[nebenaube]

14. and...

How would that affect something like this?



Because, this will still make one have a very, very bad day.

[derby378]

17. Nobody's taking nothin', so quit bellyachin'

Seriously. Not gonna happen. In this nation, we have rights.

[CTyankee]

43. You mean, we have insanity. Other countries have rights and have gun control. It's

that simple. If you don't know that, well, you are not well educated.

I'd like to ask those other countries around the world who manage to have strong gun control AND a constitutional democracy how THEY do it?

We could learn something from them, don't you think?

[derby378]

50. If I wanted English-style gun control, I'd move to England

I'm more interested in reaching workable solutions that respect our Constitutional rights and deal with the problem of mass shootings like Newtown, Aurora, and Columbine.

There are many ideas that haven't been tried before that are popping up as ideas on DU. For example, Cleita and I have both promoted secure civilian armories; that's something I'd like to see gain traction. The idea is to promote the general welfare without punishing the innocent because of the deeds of madmen.

[CTyankee]

63. I think we could LEARN from the British and from many other countries who have

foresworn guns in a way we have not.

I don't think any of us is talking about hunters and when I was growing up in Texas, hunters hunted and I lived in the city in a gun free home and went to a gun free school and had playmates whose homes were gun free. There were occasional lapses but they didn't involve mass shootings, more like a one on one in a crime of passion. And this was TEXAS!

I see where we've gotten to, from where we were, and I wonder what has happened to people's brains? Have we gotten so besotted that we think it is somehow just fine to collect assault weapons and that's OK? Bullet piercing armor, and that's OK. Oh, never mind, they're "innocent." Yeah, it's all so innocent until...and then we have to twist ourselves into pretzels with thinking so that those precious "rights" to own enough guns and ammo to start your own little war are "normal" human behavior. Is that how far we've gotten?

The British and most other civilized countries around the world sound pretty good to me right about now...but we don't have to live in those countries, just emulate them.

Guess what, we are no longer what freedom loving people all over the world want or need. They no longer look to us. Sad, isn't it?

[Recursion]

18. That Bushmaster was neither an assault rifle nor an assault weapon

I get accused of derailing, but it seems pretty important that what you're asking for doesn't remotely do what you think it does.

[AZ Progressive]

24. .223 Bushmaster is not an assault weapon?

This gun is very similar to the Military M-16, especially if it was converted into fully automatic.

[Recursion]

36. Only if it has a bayonet lug

His was legal in Connecticut because it didn't.

[CTyankee]

44. how nice of you to give us this pic! I wouldn't have known what it looks like otherwise

since there are NO postings of this pic ANYWHERE on DU!

Jeez, what is the matter with you folks? Don't you get tired of posting these photos over and over and over again, ad nauseum? don't you realize that the rest of us begin to wonder about you? And what is the matter with you?

Sheesh, I know I do...

[Recursion]

45. People who don't have that visceral reaction to gun images forget others do

In his case, he was making a point.

[CTyankee]

48. Yeah, well, it's getting a little old on that point.

Give the slackmaster photo a rest, will you? The rest of us are tired of it and it doesn't prove anything. If anything, it's getting mightily in you way of making your point. It makes people wonder why gun lovers post it so often...hmm...

[jmg257]

27. Sure it is - has been codified in law numerous times. nt

[Recursion]

37. Nope. That's why his mom could legally buy it in Connecticut, which has an AWB

With a bayonet lug or folding stock, it is an assault weapon. Without it, it isn't.

[jmg257]

42. Ah got ya - no lug! You are right. Pretty sure it will meet the next bill's definition then) nt

[-..__...]

19. Something must be wrong with my Internets/WiFi connection...

I'm picking up signals from another planet.

[HooptieWagon]

21. You can want in one hand and shit in the other...

see which one fills up first. "Assault weapon" owners will simply make cosmetic alterations so the gun is outside the definition. Others may simply hide their gun. There will be no effect on gun deaths, because "assault weapons" are only a small fraction of all gun deaths. But hey, knock yourself out if you think your sense of empowerment is worth Democrats losing elections the next 15 years.

[derby378]

28. You hit the nail on the head

I've had reasonable Democrats tell me, "If this ban costs Democrats seats in Congress, so be it." I just want to shake them (not too hard) and reply, "Do you remember what happened the LAST time you adopted that mindset?!?"

[tritsofme]

25. I want a million dollars and a pony.

Maybe Santa will be kind to both of us this year?

[Herlong]

26. Buy back

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program


Background check on every person in your household.

Story be told, the boy was cutting himself and she knew it.

[Nevernose]

29. We don't know who has them

Because registration is so full of loopholes that current registration laws are virtually meaningless in most states.

[Nevernose]

67. I think you went off on a rant

About things I did not say. I'm merely suggesting that we register new guns sales like we do new cars.

Here's some other whacko ideas, though, that will surely turn us into a fascist hellhole like Australia:
Mandate safety "switches"
Mandate "one in the chamber" warning devices
Limit magazine capacity to ten (although paper target shooters would be oh-so-terribly inconvenienced by having to switch mags)
Mandate criminal background checks for private/gunshow sales
Make "felon in possession of a firearm" a lifetime crime in all fifty states.
Perhaps civil liability laws for people who leave their weapons unsecured and are then in the commission of a crime.

And yes, maybe look into banning sales of new assault rifles, which would be far more effective if combined with a meaningful buy back program.

I don't think any of these are the suggestions of dangerous, gun-grabbing lunatics. And, by the way, the slippery slope fallacy is called a logical fallacy for a reason.

[socialindependocrat]

68. Extreme apologies - I meant to answetr the main thread! I am so sorry!

I'll be sure to watch myself in the future.

I didn't mean to upset you - my mistake...

[Rosco T.]

30. Suggest you look up the concept of an "ex post facto" law

then Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3

then rethink

[CTyankee]

46. You rethink. We change our laws all the time to accommodate reality.

We can give people a period of time to voluntarily surrender their weapons, for money if feasible. We have outlawed substances that were previously legal before. We can deal with ex post facto by offering them a reward and a grace period where no penalty would be incurred. There are certain chemicals I can't use in my garden as insecticides because they have been deemed harmful to public health. Nobody talks about ex post facto there...

[Warren Stupidity]

32. Banning high capacity (greater than 5) magazines would work.

Canada permitted current devices to be modified down to legal limits. That avoids the !horror! of "a taking".

[Travis_0004]

40. It still wouldn't work

If you pass a new law it takes time to take effect. Prices on mags would skyrocket.
I'll obey the law, so I would get rid of my 30 round mags, but I wouldn't modify them (for one thing, if a mag only holds 5 rounds why do I need it to be so big).

I would sell my mags online, probably for 100+ each. So you are not really removing mags from circulation. By selling it before the law takes effect, I am not breaking any laws.

[Warren Stupidity]

49. I cant argue with gunner logic.

Or rather I won't. Hopefully after laws are passed, they come with serious penalties for non compliance.

[CTyankee]

47. Exactly. but, of course, Canada is a civilized country with sensible gun control.

We are an out of control country with no guard rails and a bunch of yahoos spouting off about their second amendment rights...

Now look at the results...

[madokie]

34. I'm with you

No civilian needs to have in their possession a war weapon in the form of an assault rifle.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

35. It's not about "assault weapons"...

It's about ammunition capacity. Many semi-auto handguns hold 15+ rounds, and many tube-style magazines on some rifles hold that much, too.

If it were my dog and pony show, it would be hand-fed, single shot weapons only.

[Toronto]

39. The US could adopt the following guidelines for ownership of the AR-15 or like type weapons

The Government of Canada classifies the AR-15 (and its variants) as a restricted firearm. For anyone wanting to lawfully own an AR-15, they must obtain a Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) valid for restricted firearms, (commonly known RPAL,) and then each acquisition of a restricted class firearm is subject to approval by the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) of the would-be buyer's province of residence.[19][20] With the introduction of strict gun control measures by former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien (Bill C-68), the AR-15 had originally been intended to be classified as a prohibited firearm, making it all but impossible to privately own one. However, due to the presence of nationwide Service Rifle target shooting competitions, the AR-15 was granted a sporting exception.

As with all Restricted firearms (including most pistols, some shotguns, and some rifles) AR-15s are allowed to be fired only at certified firing ranges since the CFOs of all provinces and territories have agreed to issue ATTs (Authority To Transport) for these guns only to certified ranges. Since owners can't legally take these guns anywhere else that shooting is allowed, they can in effect only shoot them on certain ranges. In order to legally own and transport a Restricted firearm, the firearm must be registered with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Canadian Firearms Program and must apply for an Authorization to Transport (or ATT) from the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) for their province or territory. Additionally, the firearm must be unloaded, deactivated by a trigger or action lock, and be in a locked, opaque container during transport.[21]

The issuance of ATTs varies considerably from province to province, and is generally reflective of a particular province's political and social levels of acceptance toward gun ownership. In Ontario the only way to obtain an ATT for restricted firearms is to become a member of a range, whereas in Alberta, where firearms ownership is widely accepted, generally a single ATT is promptly issued that allows citizens to transport firearms to border crossings, gunsmiths, and shooting ranges. Firearms transfers in provinces such as Quebec can take up to 3 months to process.[citation

[JEFF9K]

51. all the jerks

All the jerks stocking-up on assault weapons will have to turn them in. If they are lucky, they will get their money back, minus a re-stocking fee.

[ehrenfeucht games]

52. I rec'd you, but I don't want to give the guns to soldiers.

I want to melt them down and use the resulting whateveritis to create a monument commemorating the victims of gun violence.

[Raine]

55. Not going to happen, ever. nt

[SheilaT]

58. I'm with you.

And I'm getting quite tired of all the gun apologists who insist we can't take the guns away, we can't register them and so on.

How many more people need to die from guns? I'm talking to you, everyone here who thinks the guns need to stay out there. How about someone guns down your mother? Your child? Your spouse?

Oh, it's okay, because the killer had a constitutional right to have the gun, the assault weapon, the extended magazine. And for the gun apologists there is no slaughter great enough to change their minds. Apparently.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that we'll see the beginnings of some realistic gun restrictions now, in the wake of Sandy Hook, but it's going to take another massacre or three before everyone finally gets it.

[ecstatic]

59. Maybe we could use Bloomberg

We elect him for the sole purpose of banning all guns, no exceptions. Republicans impeach him, but by that time, their party is fractured beyond repair. Hillary is sworn in by 2018, but doesn't reverse Bloomberg's actions. Hopefully by then a drastic reduction in crime will be seen and people won't want to go back to the guns in every home way of life.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

61. That would be a nice world

I won't have guns, neither will you. The cops won't have guns, military either. Judges won't have guns, prosecutors, body guards, Secret Service, no guns.

The world will be a better place.

[Demo_Chris]

60. Never going to happen

Americans like their guns.

In my opinion, the BEST we can hope for, and this is also probably impossible, is to see mental healthcare funded at the national level in a meaningful way. But no, there are never going to be weapon's seizures. And if the government tried we would have violence and carnage on a scale that would make 9-11 look like a calm day at the beach.

Understand, there are hundreds-of-thousands of paranoid and potentially deadly "Patriots" out there. I am not talking about the typical gun owner -- they have a few guns, maybe they think they are cool or pretty, but they really don't care all that much either way. No, I am talking instead about the borderline psychotic Fox News / Talk Radio followers. They are already primed and ready to blow. Just as they were under Clinton, these guys are in a complete panic, only now with the "black mulim Kenyan socialist nazi marxist" in the White House, the economy on death's door, and their own party imploding, they are literally going out of their minds.

I suspect a great many of them WANT an excuse to start killing. Their fantasy world is over and they want to take the rest of the world with it. I suspect that for many of them it is the only way to continue to exist within their bubble. And the propoganda mill is doing everything it can to rile them up. Damn libs are even trying to destroy Christmas -- probably replace it with Gay Muslim Devil worship or something. People are listening to that crap and nodding along.

And you want to order them to disarm? That's what they have been waiting their entire lives for! That's the joyous signal to open fire.

[k2qb3]

62. I want a pony.

[Festivito]

64. 1st you want to run off believers in God. Now you run off gun owners.

Maybe you can get our democratic base small enough to be drowned in a bathtub.

[Egalitarian Thug]

65. I just can't decide who is more frightening, you or them. n/t

[clffrdjk]

66. Is it paranoia if they really are after you?

"I won't be happy with just an assault weapons ban, I want all the people who currently own them to give them up."
"you can keep your paranoia"

[socialindependocrat]

69. There is no gun registration - Please update your argument.

the government found some time back that the BATF (I think) was
taking the sales receipts from closed dealerships and starting a
"registration" list. The government shut them down.

People try and try to get around the rules and that is why the NRA
is trusted to get out there and protect our rights.

It may seem crazy to you but if gun grabbers are left to initiate every
stupid law they wanted we would be England or Australia by now.

I'm talking for the millions of gun owners who shoot paper targets or
are interested in military history of history of the Wild West. The
people who have broken no laws and whose neighbors have no idea that
they even own a gun. the people who just quietly indulge in their hobby.

Sometimes you people sound like pro-lifers. I guess you've found one of
your buttons.

I am aware that there is a problem with people who are mentally unstable and
that we need to do something to correct the problem. So let's work toward
a solution.

I do not kill animals and my penis is fairly normal (I guess). Realize that there
are Democrat gun owners who probably agree with all of your political ideals
except guns.

And for all you people who think that psychology and psychiatry are just bunk
knowing that there are Democrats that support gun ownership will give you
another reason to try and debunk psychology.

Merry Christmas!