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hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:42 PM Dec 2012

Wayne LaPierre Speech Was A Total Public Relations Disaster, Say PR Experts

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Public relations experts who have experience working with the gun industry expressed horror on Friday afternoon at the National Rifle Association's response to the Newtown, Conn., shootings.

The group's executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, struck a scolding tone on Friday, blaming the video game industry and media for exposing youth to a culture of violence, and calling for armed police or security guards in schools: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said.

Public relations professionals reached by The Huffington Post said the timing of his message, which broke a week of silence in the wake of the tragic murder of 26 children and adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School, could be an irredeemable mistake for the group.

“It was worse than if the NRA had not spoken at all,” said Gene Grabowski, executive vice president of Levick Strategic Communications, a Washington, D.C.-based issues management firm that has worked with firearms manufacturers. "The same message about the culture in another time and place might have made sense, but in context of tragedy, it seemed mean-spirited, cold and misguided."


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Wayne LaPierre Speech Was A Total Public Relations Disaster, Say PR Experts (Original Post) hlthe2b Dec 2012 OP
It's the best he's got. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #1
Actually I don't think so Major Nikon Dec 2012 #37
Need that extra slash to see the actual desktop (not mobile) site: alp227 Dec 2012 #42
paranoia to our ears.... paleotn Dec 2012 #59
He was speaking from his cold, dead heart. nt JBoy Dec 2012 #2
It was a pitiful performance for sure. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #3
i couldn't be happier. spanone Dec 2012 #4
Of course it was.. getting Wayne out there before the cameras to do his Cha Dec 2012 #5
That is EXACTLY what I said!! I should be a PR expert! renie408 Dec 2012 #6
Bullshit it doesn't make sense now and it won't make sense ten years from now. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #7
Good. Crunchy Frog Dec 2012 #8
Lawrence O'Donnell buried him tonight. EmeraldCityGrl Dec 2012 #9
I Saw That... It Was AWESOME !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #10
Because if they had served at all Cobalt-60 Dec 2012 #17
Absolutely. n/t TDale313 Dec 2012 #30
yike mhilburn Dec 2012 #18
BINGO!!! +1000 Marie Marie Dec 2012 #21
He belongs on the registry HE would subject innocent people to. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #27
What you said. senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #53
Welcome to DU, mhilburn! calimary Dec 2012 #66
Like Cheney, LaPierre had 'other priorities'. Typical upper-middle-class coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #36
Exactly! paleotn Dec 2012 #60
If he had a nervious disorder LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #40
If that piece of shit had a "nervous disorder" during Vietnam, Zoeisright Dec 2012 #43
That title line wins the "No Shit, Sherlock!" award for the current month Bozita Dec 2012 #11
That Face should be made into a Halloween Mask AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #12
I don't think he was talking to us (the public) agentS Dec 2012 #13
+1 ellisonz Dec 2012 #29
+1! uponit7771 Dec 2012 #33
Worse yet... he was lobbying on behalf of gun manufacturers salin Dec 2012 #46
Unfortunately, these a**holes are reaching tblue37 Dec 2012 #47
Shades of Romney at the NAACP and Ryan at the AARP... NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #56
BRAVO to Wayne LaPierre RomneyLies Dec 2012 #14
Sorry pal AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #15
He's just a front man for the gun industry. He's their hired gun. alfredo Dec 2012 #16
To think of the last minutes of those kids' lives, then to see Wayne LaPierre mountain grammy Dec 2012 #19
Ditto. He makes me want to vomit. Sick fuck. nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #62
spot on review, LaPierre is a sick bastard dionysus Dec 2012 #20
"The same message about the culture in another time and place might have made sense...." Liberalagogo Dec 2012 #22
ONG - He was just awful. Marie Marie Dec 2012 #23
Guardian UK nailed it: So defensive it was downright offensive. yewberry Dec 2012 #24
The answer agent46 Dec 2012 #25
As an NRA Life Member, I shake my head and wonder if he's actually pushing for new gun control laws. Kennah Dec 2012 #26
We don't need 4 cops at every school raquel69 Dec 2012 #28
We have a choice in the U.S. on gun control--Canada or Israel Kennah Dec 2012 #31
We are in a state of war? Really? Leopolds Ghost Dec 2012 #34
I noticed that also. Israel is in a state of war. Canada isn't. The U.S. isn't. Therefore we yellowcanine Dec 2012 #35
Or we continue the war analogy exboyfil Dec 2012 #38
Israel also requires you to have a reason to own a gun Hippo_Tron Dec 2012 #45
With whom are we in a state of war? JDPriestly Dec 2012 #49
Ourselves Kennah Dec 2012 #54
We have always been at war with ourselves Leopolds Ghost Dec 2012 #55
Specifically, war on drugs, poverty, and the 99% in general Kennah Dec 2012 #61
Welcome to DU, raquel69! calimary Dec 2012 #67
All I could see was the blood on his hands and $$$$ falling out of his pockets.... Dems to Win Dec 2012 #32
Article from Forbes exboyfil Dec 2012 #39
Food for thought.. Thank you.. Very enlightening article! DianaForRussFeingold Dec 2012 #44
COMPLETE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM is the only answer. Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #41
" mean-spirited, cold and misguided." JDPriestly Dec 2012 #48
It sums up the whole Republican party DFW Dec 2012 #64
He might as well have given free Bushmasters with the NRA logo to the families of the victims Kaleva Dec 2012 #50
If all they are worried about is public relations no wonder there was a disaster. n/t Cleita Dec 2012 #51
Yup he's fucked. That was a truly epic fail. Initech Dec 2012 #52
K & R Care Acutely Dec 2012 #57
the man is DESPICABLE! napkinz Dec 2012 #58
...mean-spirited, cold... love_katz Dec 2012 #63
Welcome to DU, love_katz (btw, I do, too!)! calimary Dec 2012 #68
Gee, good thing the experts weighed in; it's not like any idiot could have told you that. dorkulon Dec 2012 #65
Ya think? nt NoGOPZone Dec 2012 #69
What The NRA's Wayne Lapierre Gets Paid To Defend Guns aka don't puke on your shoes farminator3000 Dec 2012 #70
also, there is something missing from this thread. where are all the gun lubbers? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #71

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
59. paranoia to our ears....
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:38 PM
Dec 2012

...but I bet it sold a whole lot of guns and ammo. That is what the NRA is all about after all. A propaganda operation for their corporate masters. Kind of a familiar theme, isn't it.

Cha

(297,322 posts)
5. Of course it was.. getting Wayne out there before the cameras to do his
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:16 PM
Dec 2012

speech was the best thing for reforming America's gun safety.

United people against the NRA instead of anyone gettng fooled that they gave a shit about the poor kids and their protectors, who were slaughtered.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
6. That is EXACTLY what I said!! I should be a PR expert!
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:18 PM
Dec 2012

I said that the NRA had drastically mistaken public opinion on this one.

And I was right. They really screwed the pooch in that presser.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
7. Bullshit it doesn't make sense now and it won't make sense ten years from now.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:28 PM
Dec 2012

LaPierre was/is doing nothing but maintaining an ongoing domestic arms race.

Thanks for the thread, hlthe.



EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
9. Lawrence O'Donnell buried him tonight.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:31 PM
Dec 2012

Didn't fail to mention LaPierre, another repuke that didn't want to carry a gun
during the VN war.

"Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association - did not serve (apparently pulled lottery #97 in 1969 as a campus radical at SUNY-Albany, but weaseled out by getting a family doctor to claim he had a nervous disorder)."

I wonder how many of these war weapon fanatics never served, never saw what soldiers witness or learned what can
only be learned on the battlefield or in training.

Cobalt-60

(3,078 posts)
17. Because if they had served at all
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:01 AM
Dec 2012

much less in combat they would know that war is not desirable.
The louder they yell for war, the less they know about it.

mhilburn

(3 posts)
18. yike
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:10 AM
Dec 2012

If he had a nervous disorder, he should not be allowed to be around guns in peacetime. If he's not allowed to be in the army with his condition, he certainly shouldn't be allowed a "carry" permit and a million dollar salary to front for gun groups.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
66. Welcome to DU, mhilburn!
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:45 PM
Dec 2012

Glad you're here! Lawrence O'Donnell was utterly SCATHING!!! BLISTERING!!!!! Nothing more or less than this murderous NRA schmuck deserves.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
40. If he had a nervious disorder
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:58 PM
Dec 2012

what is the likelihood that there is something wrong with him mentally and he would qualify to be on that database prohibited from owning firearms?

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
43. If that piece of shit had a "nervous disorder" during Vietnam,
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:13 PM
Dec 2012

he should be on the list of mentally ill gun humpers want and shouldn't be able to own a gun now.

agentS

(1,325 posts)
13. I don't think he was talking to us (the public)
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:53 PM
Dec 2012

It sounded more like he was demonstrating the NRA's commitment to psycho (not normal) gun owners.
I don't know the gun crowd that well, so YMMY on the effectiveness of his speech.

salin

(48,955 posts)
46. Worse yet... he was lobbying on behalf of gun manufacturers
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:13 PM
Dec 2012

to sell more of the weapons to the hard-core gun enthusiasts (and if they can leverage selling more high powered guns to their local schools - all the better for their patrons - per profits.)

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
47. Unfortunately, these a**holes are reaching
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:22 PM
Dec 2012

the audience they are aiming for.

Gun sales--especially of the most deadly kind--and ammunition sales--especially of the "massacre magazine" types--are up drastically over these past few days, because the gun extremists are terrified that they might not be able to buy them later.

The local rag reported today that these guns and clips are flying off the shelves of the stores that sell such things in our area.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
14. BRAVO to Wayne LaPierre
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:53 PM
Dec 2012

The piece of shit just did more to insure sensible gun regulations singlehandedly than thirty years of the Brady Center.

mountain grammy

(26,624 posts)
19. To think of the last minutes of those kids' lives, then to see Wayne LaPierre
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:11 AM
Dec 2012

spouting his shit fills me with more hatred and disgust than I though possible.

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
22. "The same message about the culture in another time and place might have made sense...."
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:15 AM
Dec 2012

No, I don't think so, you effing jackass.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
23. ONG - He was just awful.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:17 AM
Dec 2012

Considering the timing of his little speech, this man could not pry even 1 compassionate statement from his cold dead heart.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
24. Guardian UK nailed it: So defensive it was downright offensive.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:28 AM
Dec 2012

I can't believe that they had the gall to play the victim regarding "all the noise and anger directed at us over the past week."

Pathologically self-involved.

Kennah

(14,276 posts)
26. As an NRA Life Member, I shake my head and wonder if he's actually pushing for new gun control laws.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:19 AM
Dec 2012

Grover Poopyhead, who's on the NRA BOD, and who isn't going to stand for any tax increases, would never agree to 100K plus new cops on the federal dime. Of course, that could be paid for out of the Defense budget, and they'd never miss it. Hell, put 4 cops in every school, and it's still just a fraction of the Defense budget.

I'll be curious to see the trend of polls of the American people, but I suspect they are going to have a WTF reaction.

He perhaps helped in the passage of a new "assault weapon ban", but since they aren't real bans it's of little consequence. I suppose it could be the road to a real ban of semiautomatics, which could make a real difference, but I would not bet on it any time soon.

raquel69

(27 posts)
28. We don't need 4 cops at every school
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:24 AM
Dec 2012

yet we are living in a new reality where we need to improve school security because a few killers will target them. Just like we did with airports after 9-11 IMO.

Kennah

(14,276 posts)
31. We have a choice in the U.S. on gun control--Canada or Israel
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:01 AM
Dec 2012

Both have restrictive laws, but they are very, very different.

The confiscations and disarming of Canadians through banning semiautomatics hardly seems likely here. The Australia and the UK also follow this path. Each of those countries had a far lower violent crime rate even before they imposed draconian gun laws.

The Israelis have security everywhere because they are in a state of war, which we are as well. As such, I think we stand a better chance by follow the Israeli model, which means a lot of very restrictive licensing, psych tests, etc. Oh one can carry a gun for protection there. We should continue that as well, but it needs to be "hardened". This is also a much more expensive route, but perhaps it will take that for us to realize we need to start changing.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
35. I noticed that also. Israel is in a state of war. Canada isn't. The U.S. isn't. Therefore we
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:40 PM
Dec 2012

should follow the Israeli model rather than the Canadian model. Perfectly logical to me.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
38. Or we continue the war analogy
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:24 PM
Dec 2012

Who are we at war with? Except for Fort Hood it appears we are at war with gun lovers - in particular European American and Asian American gun lovers.

Interesting thought - Do the Israelis allow the Palestinians carry guns in their midst?

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
45. Israel also requires you to have a reason to own a gun
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:11 PM
Dec 2012

And IMO that's something we ought to consider here.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
49. With whom are we in a state of war?
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:36 PM
Dec 2012

We are supposedly out of Iraq and getting out of Afghanistan.

With what country are we in a state of war?

And if we are in a state of war, why haven't taxes gone up to pay for it?

calimary

(81,322 posts)
67. Welcome to DU, raquel69!
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:03 PM
Dec 2012

Good to have you with us! Only problem is - there were armed guards at Columbine. There were armed guards at Virginia Tech. Hell, Fort Hood had nothing BUT armed guards - all over the compound! Did that make any difference? Did that stop any of those shooters? Did that do any good at all? We just had several of those "good guys with guns" mowed down in the last few days - in Pennsylvania - WHILE wayne lapierre was actually on TV, giving his bullshit speech! THREE state troopers I believe it was. Seems to me all it'll do is inspire armed nutcases to figure out ways around those armed guards. Figure out what kind of rounds they make, what patterns they patrol, and what hours they're on duty and in what locations on campus. If my kids were still of school age, I would think twice about sending them to some armed camp.

Got a gun problem? Well then we need to add more guns! MAKES NO SENSE TO ME, WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DianaForRussFeingold

(2,552 posts)
44. Food for thought.. Thank you.. Very enlightening article!
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:06 PM
Dec 2012
"seven days of silence were followed by an unhinged, tone-deaf caricature that the British press had to note as “not a parody.”

Oh, and no questions by the press until the Sunday morning newstalk shows? The press should have left at that very mention. Let the NRA buy advertising time instead. "

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
41. COMPLETE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM is the only answer.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:37 PM
Dec 2012

We need actual representative government, not lobbyist controlled puppets!

DFW

(54,405 posts)
64. It sums up the whole Republican party
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:56 PM
Dec 2012

But there's money involved--LOTS of it. So the NRA, as long as it remains a lobbying front for the gun industry and not a hobby organization, will not be going away. Same goes for its Republican allies.

love_katz

(2,580 posts)
63. ...mean-spirited, cold...
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:16 PM
Dec 2012

and I would add nut-bag insane.

Misguided? Methinks Mr. Pierre knew exactly who he was 'guiding' his speech to. Witness the increased sales of assault weapons and huge magazines of ammo.

I very much HOPE that this speech DOES turn out to be a PR debacle for the NRA.

For justice will be best served if the consequences fall on them for a change.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
68. Welcome to DU, love_katz (btw, I do, too!)!
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:08 PM
Dec 2012

Good to have you with us! Remember walmart, too. They steadfastly REFUSED to stop selling bushmasters and other personal weapons of mass destruction. I, too, hope that speech marks the beginning of the end for the NRA's power and influence. Or just its end, PERIOD. I noted with some irony that the speech was scheduled on the day the Mayan calendar designated as the end of the world. Here's hoping that's EXACTLY what it winds up being for the NRA!

farminator3000

(2,117 posts)
70. What The NRA's Wayne Lapierre Gets Paid To Defend Guns aka don't puke on your shoes
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:36 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:41 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danbigman/2012/12/21/what-the-nras-wayne-lapierre-gets-paid-to-defend-guns/

Where did all the money go? About $33 million went to salaries and wages (not including the top brass), $28 million went to advertising and promotions. By far the biggest items were membership outreach: $57 million for membership communications, $24 million for printing and shipping, $16 million for educational programs. Just about $10 million went to the NRA’s lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action.
More than $12.7 million went to Akron-Ohio based InfoCision, a huge telemarketing company that lists a broad spectrum of blue chip non-profits as clients– including Smile Train, the American Diabetes Association, Easter Seals and Unicef—as well as the College Republican National Committee and companies like Time Warner and AT&T.

ha! double ha!

is that what they call it? wtf? membership communications my ass. "got enuf guns? nope. well get more" costs 57 million?

farminator3000

(2,117 posts)
71. also, there is something missing from this thread. where are all the gun lubbers?
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:39 PM
Dec 2012

5000+ views and not a SINGLE defense of that a-hole??

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