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"My final offer is this: nothing." MT @politicalwire Boehner asks what he gets for $800b. Obama: "You get nothing." http://pwire.at/VWenjs
How the Fiscal Cliff Talks Stalled
The Wall Street Journal has a behind-the-scenes look at how the fiscal cliff negotiations faltered.
"Mr. Obama repeatedly lost patience with the speaker as negotiations faltered. In an Oval Office meeting last week, he told Mr. Boehner that if the sides didn't reach agreement, he would use his inaugural address and his State of the Union speech to tell the country the Republicans were at fault."
At one point, Boehner told the president, "I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?"
Replied Obama: "You get nothing. I get that for free."
read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324731304578193770576333616.html
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)<iframe width="640" height="360" src="
?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And John Boehner is as orange as an Oompa Loompa.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)actually they're a cost centre
monmouth3
(3,871 posts)nothing Senator."
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)monmouth3
(3,871 posts)Botany
(70,516 posts)When Boner was at the state capital in Columbus he did like his
bourbon and babes.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)brewens
(13,596 posts)than the original. That was where that scene was from.
appacom
(296 posts)turned down the $400,OOO and Obama went back to $250,000
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Letting the Bush-era tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 expire on schedule at the end of 2012 would bring the government nearly $1 trillion in revenue over the next 10 years, according to a new report from the Congressional Budget Office. Thats $823 billion in added revenue and $127 billion in interest to be exact, for a total $950 billion in ten-year deficit reduction.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/24/bush-era-tax-cuts-revenue-expire_n_1828657.html
He was simply saying that revenues increase by $823 billion if there is no deal and we "go over the cliff."
It's Republicans who have the most to worry about if we go over the cliff.
If they want some or all of the tax cuts to continue, the Republicans have to improve revenues over what will happen if we go over the fiscal cliff.
I think aw should just go over the fiscal cliff. Either way, we have a recession. Either way, taxes go up. Either way, a lot of people suffer simply because Republicans are throwing a temper tantrum.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)One of the 99
(2,280 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)monmouth3
(3,871 posts)svpadgham
(670 posts)Panasonic
(2,921 posts)That's why my computer's name is UncleNutzy
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Of course, Obama may have to sweeting the deal a little. But that should not be a problem.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)But you knew that already
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Are people not supposed to notice?
strikeforce
(70 posts)for misleading us.snake !
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)that $100 off their guaranteed ss check won't they?
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)That proven anti-Obama DUer forgot to mention that iddy-biddy-detail in his quest to delegitimize President Obama as a progressive. Ouch.
Good thing you reminded him - not that he'll remember it in his next post whining about the chained CPI. Believe you me.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Initech
(100,081 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)YayArea
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|Volaris
(10,272 posts)THAT'S how you fucking negotiate after you just won re-election and kept control of the Senate.
Lol thanks for this. Awesome.
Dudette
(16 posts)Delicious, delightful!! Thank you!!
FSogol
(45,488 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)stone-cold
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)We know that was followed by a whole series of unilateral concessions by Obama.
And I doubt that tough talk ever happened anyway. It is not anywhere in Obama's constitution. It seems like an after-the-fact attempt for the White House to counter the rising sentiment that he must be the
Worst.
Negotiator.
Ever.
If this story at last means the President is listening to the public a little, then that is a good thing. Everybody chill for the holidays and maybe the President will show up with a new attitude on January 1.
It will be interesting to see what the teabaggers have to say for themselves on January 1. And it will be interesting to see what the other Republicans say about being responsible for the largest tax hike in history.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)If Obama comes out and yells: "Social security and Medicare have NOTHING to do with the deficit--everybody just stop even thinking about cutting them!", then I will believe he has some talent and smarts and honesty.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
[font size=5 color=green]Solidarity99![/font][font size=2 color=green]
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Demeter
(85,373 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)In 2005, we had your kind writhing in agony and wringing your hands in conjured concern about the agenda of the extreme left not being met. But, one by one, he started ticking off the list. But, you're still here, hiding under the bed and barking at shadows.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)You mean something like THIS?
Among these are:
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
*The right of every family to a decent home;
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
*The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being."-- FDR
You mean THAT "Extreme Left" Agenda?
Please note that FDR species the above as Basic Human RIGHTS to be OWNED and Administered by our Government of the People
and NOT as Commodities to be SOLD to Americans by For Profit Corporations.
At one time, not so long ago, voting FOR the Democrat was voting FOR the above Values.
THOSE were Mainstream-Center Democratic Party Values.
Some of us here STILL fight for those values.
They are NOT "Extreme Left".
There IS no "Extreme Left" in the USA.
---bvar22
A Mainstream-Center FDR/LBJ DEMOCRAT
now labeled an "Extreme Leftist" in today's New Democrat Centrist Party
I haven't changed.
[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
[font size=5 color=green]Solidarity99![/font][font size=2 color=green]
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BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Check yourself man (or woman).
Do you even have any idea what a Democrat (big D) is?
Please take some time to learn what got us to this point.
Unless I misunderstood your post, a colleague explained the basics of the true Democratic philosophy and you just called him (or her) a "Right wing knuckle dragger". That makes no sense on any level. I hope I have misunderstood something really basic here.
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BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)because you certainly seem to have disdain for Democratic values.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)....then you DO "need some asshole telling (you) this shit".
If you believe there IS an "Extreme Left Wing" in the Democratic Party,
then you DO "need some asshole telling (you) this shit" .
The fact that YOU view Mainstream-Center FDR/LBJ Democrats
as "The Extreme Left Wing" tells us everything we need to know about you
and where YOU stand on the Political Spectrum.
[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
[font size=5 color=green]Solidarity99![/font][font size=2 color=green]
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)AllyCat
(16,189 posts)mattclearing
(10,091 posts)Anyone who has a problem with it isn't worth your time.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...gave us a peek behind his veil.
His reaction to the words of FDR were....... revealing?
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)you are in congress for but you have not been doing that for many years now.
bigtree
(85,998 posts). . . from that; and yes, he should.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)GOBAMA!
bigtree
(85,998 posts). . . the man in this report doesn't look at all interested in giving republicans anything.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Obviously he offered them something...one can reasonably opine that he offered too much. But it wasn't good enough for them, and he wouldn't go further. I read that they put Plan B out hoping it would force the president to go higher on the floor for tax rates and make other concessions, because once they took away the millionaire talking point they could blame the president for not signing it and going over the cliff. But he refused to go along with it because it would not bring in enough revenue.
southern_belle
(1,647 posts)I love my President! He has the GOP by the short hairs!
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)how strong the President's hand is.
In January, it only gets worse for Republicans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022054555
He can do and say anything he wants to because the Republican position is extremely weak. They don't have the votes (see the Plan B).
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Which is unfortunate but inevitable.
I think the president genuinely wants a deal that will avoid the cliff (which will hurt a lot of people if it triggers recession, contrary to the CW here), but this article makes it clear that he's not willing to take just any deal. But it's in his interest to make sure he looks like he bent over backwards to deal with them so that people see how insanely unreasonable they are. If we do go over the cliff, it's important that people know that the president did all he could to avoid it. We might prefer to see him fight, but most people want to see him do what he has to do, including compromise, to prevent the economy from going into another recession.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Having participated in high-stakes negotiations, I know that what is said in public, frequently, is unrelated to what is being said at the table; but is said to create a public perception. In this case, that public perception being promoted is President Obama CONTINUES to be reasonable and the gop continues to be unreasonable. And every Democratic candidate for 2014 should be rejoicing the President Obama is taking this tact ... it makes their road so much easier ... the campaign ads write themselves.
I wonder ...
Is President Obama (and his team) using the left's hair on fire tendency, tacticallyWhat would communicate reasonableness to independents/those in the middle more than having the left loudly expressing their discontent? That would explain the recent polling numbers.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)in order to shut the whole thing down. All they have to do is what the tea party wants, and that's vote for absolutely nothing. Yes, the rich will pay more in taxes, but they're going to pay them if they take any deal the President offers, anyway. Yes, some defense contractors will have to lay some folks off, but the execs will still collect annual bonuses.
The Repukes figure they can wait out this siege much better than our side can. And they absolutely will not vote for any plan that doesn't give at least a dollar's worth of cuts for a dollar's worth of taxes. Or, they can simply refuse, absolutely refuse to raise the debt ceiling. Unfortunately, that's where their hand is strong.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)the tea party-ers will be concerned about. Most of the tea party-ers are in that group.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)They do a good job of getting elected (and re-elected) by making everything the President's fault. No, they can't play that game all over the country, but they can sell it in enough places to really gum things up.
They're ideologues, and they know the American voting public has a very short memory. Some small tax increases for a few months of siege (that can be retroactively rolled back) will seem worth it to them if they can crow near Election Day 2014 that they "saved the country money".
freshwest
(53,661 posts)2. Sequestration ($1 trillion Budget Control Act), which includes $500 billion in defense cuts, automatically kicks in.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022054555#post14
This is what will happen automatically. Tax cuts expire and destroy the deficit. Half a trillion in defense cuts, and it won't be a political gambit - they agreed to it, because of the sacred deficit.
This will be first real cut to the MIC in my lifetime and a move to a peacetime economy.
The deficit that they want paid off by those who have no money to pay, so that the only thing they have left to pay with is their lives. That is wrong and should not be happening. To the GOP, Tea Party and Libertarians, worshippers of Ayn Rand, yes. To Democrats it will never be.
This accomplishes two essential things that these people resisted all year long. Yes, their time may be over with, which is why their media is going to continue to promote armed rebellion. Because war is their only solution to everything, that and the fossil fuel industry is how they became wealthy beyond any need and their method for creating winners and losers:
Thanks to Whovian who used that graphic in a thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2033923
And many thanks to jtuck004 who gave me some links identifying this group:
http://public-accountability.org/2012/12/operation-fiscal-bluff/
http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/executive_excess_2012
The CEO Campaign to "Fix" the Debt: A Trojan Horse for Massive Corporate Tax Breaks
http://truth-out.org/speakout/item/12955-the-ceo-campaign-to-fix-the-debt-a-trojan-horse-for-massive-corporate-tax-breaks
Those are good reads there. This is a big loss for them but they still have plenty of money. The Koch brothers also figure into this, and their shill Grover Nordquist promises to unleash what he calls Tea Party Two because of Obama's resisting.
Koch wealth grew from $7.5 billion to $50 billion in 7 years ripping us off w/ oil speculation
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/09/21/324969/forbes-koch-brothers-now-worth-50-billion/?mobile=nc
This is worth a read and is from a thread posted by RepublicansRZombies . The last post explains what is happening. The Koches and their followers resist taxes and they brainwashed a generation to think it's evil to fund government. But there is never an end to having to pay. Read the words of AZ Progressive:
This is the Koch Brother's TAX on the American people
They've peddled the ultimate reverse robin hood scheme, taxing the American people at the pump through oil speculation, making $43 billion dollars in the process and putting undeserved hardship on Americans (which is what Republicans love to do.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021276224
This is all shades of what Eisenhower warned us of over half a century ago, of wealthy oil men who he called few and stupid, who he didn't believe would be able to take over the GOP. He was wrong.
The GOP resisted every bill the president asked for in his first few years, with demands he agree to the Keystone pipeline in any budget deals, or personhood riders. He did neither and they will be mounting another 2010 campaign from 2013 thorugh 2014. This battle is ours to lose.
mostlyconfused
(211 posts)The top marginal rate could be raised to 100% and it would be enough to cover only a fraction of the deficit.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Over time the sunsetting of the Bush tax breaks on the wealthy takes back what the subsidized, especially those who are the richest, have been taking from other taxpayers with the defense business, fossil fuel and other breaks, credits and those subsidies have been doing to bleed other people and the government.
The Bush tax cuts on the wealthy, combined with gifts to the fossil fuel industry and defense industries through two wars, gave them thrice the benefit that they had in the Clinton era, or even before that. That is three things that mean the deficit is going down greatly. Not just one thing.
Do you agree that Clinton ended up with a deficit or a surplus from the tax rate in effect before Bush?
Did the Bush wars blow up the debt and the wars were on a credit card, without contribution from the richest who traditionally had their tax rates go up, including the punitive rates that Eisenhower forced on them to pay some of the profits they made off WW2, but were outrageously ignored?
Do fossil fuel subsidies raise the deficit, while they made record profits, impoverishing the tax payers directly? Not only that, did the tightening of money not punish those in the states who had to make up for their needed public works and infrastructure because it was going to wars?
I've read your other data on your other posts, that go on the same theme, but are interesting. I'm speaking generally, if you think it's worth mocking my words, just go on ahead and do so.
jpak
(41,758 posts)yup
KansDem
(28,498 posts)We were told 30 years ago that "trickle down" would enable the wealthy to "re-invest" in America, thereby bolstering the economy and creating jobs. Not so. The wealthy took their new-found swag and invested in overseas economies and shipped jobs to places like China and India.
So why don't we try letting the tax cuts expire and see what happens? Perhaps it will have none of the effects quoted by the Koch Brothers or their minions in the media.
We can try letting the tax cuts expire for...oh, let's say...30 years, and see what happens.
mostlyconfused
(211 posts)Based on 2009 IRS data available via irs.gov. That's the most recent year where detailed information is available. Based on actual filed tax returns, if the top marginal rate were raised to 100% it would cover only a fraction of the deficit. As unequal as the distribution of wealth/income is in this country, income tax rates cannot be raised high enough on the rich to cover the deficit. Not even close.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...stated that the RICH had a Patriotic Duty to help pay down the War debt from WW2 (which IIRC, was an even greater percentage of the GDP than now).
*He set the Top marginal rate at 91%
*Minimum Capital Gains were +25%
*undertook MASSIVE Government Spending Programs targeting the Working Class
(JOBS, Infrastructure, Housing, and Education).
These 3 things combined to produced the Largest, Wealthiest, and MOST Upwardly Mobile Working Class the WORLD had ever seen,
AND sparked an Economic BOOM that generated enough REVENUE to Pay Down the Deficit in 15 years.
JFK then lowered the Top marginal rate to 71%.
I don't care WHAT Fox News says,
[font size=3]Lets try THAT again![/font]
[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
[font size=5 color=green]Solidarity99![/font][font size=2 color=green]
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)To show the business folks who is in charge and what the stakes were for backing Romney and the GOP.
In black and white newspaper terms; this is a new sheriff in this town and I'm not going to put up with this shit anymore...
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)is showing their readers what the Repukes in the House already know, Boner is a spineless wimp. This is all part of the build-up to having him replaced in early January. They have to get GOP'ers on board with that, and reading about how the President dissed Boner is sure to let them know that he's cooked.
It's no wonder the tea party didn't back Plan B, that would have made Boner their chief negotiator on the final deal, and they know he hasn't got the spine to sell what they want. They know that there's going to have to be a siege first, and they expect that their allies can outlast our side.
Hey, it's the same thing that would happen on our side if the chained CPI were part of the deal, we'd take the cliff over something that was against our core principles.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)The only other possibility is Cantor had someone in that meeting to report in such detail.
Plus the WSJ is not going to print something that isn't confirmable and that makes me think the White House is the source of this article. I know Murdoch owns the WSJ, but they aren't going to hurt the credibility of the voice of Wall Street on an unconfirmed story.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)who was able to spy on Boner in order to report back to their tea party masters. Besides, true or not, confirmable or not, the WSJ is done with the Orange Man, and they'd like to see a new leader of the Rethuglican party in the House. Their last attempt to take over the country with Mittens failed miserably, and they need to make up lost ground.
appacom
(296 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)LonePirate
(13,426 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)It certainly is what ought to have been said.
bigtree
(85,998 posts). . . there's a healthy sense of ownership of the election in his reported remarks.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)1) Reporting what was said. If it wasn't exactly what was said Boehner is in no position to respond.
2) Leaking it. While saying it to Boehner is in itself satisfying leaking it to the world is a second mortal wound.
Rider3
(919 posts)I'd like to see how the GOP is tightening their belts these days. I doubt they give up anything.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)... "We still got an unbalanced budget, and there is not enough money coming in. Find more, please."
People who says America has a spending problem don't seem to realise that America has a far bigger revenue problem. Part of the problem is a lack of jobs.
I distinctly remember "Corporations are people" being touted by a certain Republican Presidential Candidate. Perhaps corporations need to be treated more like individuals - a US Citizen has to file a tax return and pay US taxes on their earnings, no matter in the world they are and it doesn't matter if they haven't put foot on US soil in many years. So corporations headquartered in the USA should be treated the same way - got massive growths in a subsidiary that has a lower tax rate? Sorry, gotta report that to the IRS, and pay as a US citizen would have to pay the appropriate taxes. Oh and Capital Gains Tax needs to be revised.
Enough for now, Mark.
LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)When corporations pay their employees in the USA less and less that means less taxes from workers.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I discovered this morning that my overpriced tuition dollars get me access to WSJ articles through ProQuest, so here are a few more notable excerpts. Really wish I could post the whole article.
Responded Mr. Boehner: "I've found in my life that everything I've ever wanted has come with price." Mr. Obama told the speaker he wasn't willing to play games with the debt ceiling.
...
Mr. Obama insisted on raising tax rates for those with household income above $250,000. The House GOP wanted significant spending cuts and fundamental changes to Medicare and other entitlement programs in exchange for new tax revenue.
The president repeatedly reminded Mr. Boehner of the election results: "You're asking me to accept Mitt Romney's tax plan. Why would I do that?" At another point, the speaker noted his GOP majority would also return next year.
...
Mr. Boehner said he wanted a deal along the lines of what the two men had negotiated in the summer of 2011 in a fight over raising the debt ceiling. "You missed your opportunity on that," the president told him.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)for some reason, it is available at this link, at least for now:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324731304578193770576333616.html
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)I have no intention of speding one red cent on that Murdoch rag!
Pirate Smile
(27,617 posts)know why but it worked for me this morning to get to the entire article but I had click on a few different ones first.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)Mr. Boehner said he wanted a deal along the lines of what the two men had negotiated in the summer of 2011 in a fight over raising the debt ceiling. "You missed your opportunity on that," the president told him.
HoosierRadical
(390 posts)President Obama is about the peoples' business, he had to make some very hard decisions in his first term, now he knows the GOP aren't to be trusted.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)who could give a shit about our collective good"
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)And someone pointed out to me on another thread that you can access the whole WSJ article through Google: https://www.google.com/search?q=How+'Cliff'+Talks+Hit+the+Wall&sugexp=chrome,mod=6&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I highly recommend reading it...apparently our president is not such a spineless wimp after all.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and hope he continues in this direction!
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)moment when you go, "I'm mad as hell. And I'm not going to take it any more."
He really did display the patience of Job with that dunce Boner.
Cha
(297,322 posts)cheap shot that means nothing.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)Tax the Job Creators so they have to work for a living like
everyone else!
siligut
(12,272 posts)Give an inch and they will take a mile, they have no conscience.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)ellie
(6,929 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)George II
(67,782 posts).....what's the point of posting a link to a pay article???
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)This makes me very happy.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)jmowreader
(50,560 posts)Over the past four years, the Republicans have believed the president and the Democrats should give them everything they want--tax cuts, this, that, the other thing--and they need give the Democrats nothing in return. They did this shit during the few days the Democrats actually held the majority in both houses, they did it when they had one house and the Democrats the other, and now they are doing it right after the voters repudiated their party at the polls.
It is time for the Republicans to act like mature adults and help FIX the problem they created all by themselves.
We need eight Republican senators and about forty Republican congressmen who have nothing to lose because they plan to retire after the 2014 election to tilt this away from the teabaggers and Norquist zombies.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)What do you do when the guy you've been dealing with is writhing on the ground, bleeding and pleading for help???
RE-LOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't give an inch to those piece of shit mofos!!!!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Just sayin'.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)let's not forget that if the tea party had their way, they would at best allow the gun shootings to roll on, and at worst, encourage "second amendment remedies" like they did to Gabby Giffords. The fact some GOP are not in jail for using that tone is a testament of itself.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)"The president told him he could choose one of two doors. The first represented a big deal. If Mr. Boehner chose it, the president said, the country and financial markets would cheer. Door No. 2 represented a spike in interest rates and a global recession."
We know the bit about financial markets is likely wrong.
cbrer
(1,831 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)He loved the line about the $800 billion and "You get nothing." Me too. It was a delight to read.
I quoted LBJ to him and he about spit-taked his coffee: "When you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow." It seemed apropos and I seriously hope it is the case.
Oh yes oh yes, such a wonderful Christmas/Mayan Solstice present.
Hekate
Cha
(297,322 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)And on POTUS and Family's faces! I hope they have wonderful time in the surf and sun out in Kailua.
Hekate
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)You're a real piece of work.
bigtree
(85,998 posts). . . anyone who knows a thing about him (and has listened to even a portion of the LBJ tapes) knows that LBJ could be racist, sexist, bigoted, and profane . . . sometimes all at once.
So much for your 'work'
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)The original passage is from Philippians 4, 7:
"And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Jesus Christ."
In his May 4, 1965 "Hearts and Minds" speech, LBJ said
"We must be ready to fight in Vietnam, but the ultimate victory will depend upon the hearts and the minds of the people who actually live out there."
Chuck Colson, an organizer of the Watergate burglary (involving Democratic offices of which you should disapprove), is the one who hung a sign on his White House wall with the quote that is now being falsely attributed to LBJ (of whom you should approve).
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Charles_Colson
Unless you are a hypocrite, your disapproval of the "work" statement should extend to the first person who said it at #88
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2058176
So now you're defending the false attribution of a wall slogan (maintained by a Republican) to LBJ (a Democrat) on the grounds that "LBJ said much worse."
Where's your loyalty to the Democratic Party and particularly LBJ who gave a 1965 "Hearts and Minds" speech for an entirely different purpose but did not say what is being falsely attributed to him? Is your animosity such that you are willing to close your mind to the truth?
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)said, I never trust a man unless I've got his pecker in my pocket.
thinkexist.com/quotes/lyndon_b._johnson/
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)and was trying to accomplish in 1965 with his "Hearts and Minds" speech.
See #120.
The issue is not whether LBJ could be vulgar. The issue is whether a sign hung on a White House wall by a Republican (Chuck Colson) as a way to bastardize LBJ's 1965 "Hearts and Minds" speech should be falsely attributed to LBJ (a Democrat).
Is your animosity so great that you would accept a wall slogan of a Republican in the post-LBJ Administration as originating from LBJ?
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)home-spun vulgarity, not offended by it. The "pecker in a pocket" remark attributed to LBJ basically says the same thing as the "hearts and minds" quote, the false attribution at which you take such umbrage.
N.B.: The phrase on the plaque in Colson's office may have actually originated with U.S. Navy personnel in World War II or shortly thereafter. It certainly was not original to Colson who was one evil mofo, willing to walk over his grandmother to win or some such.
budkin
(6,703 posts)Ruba
(4 posts)proReality
(1,628 posts)Last I heard the man was President Obama. The WSJ is filled with bigoted racists with no respect for the man or the office he holds.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)I've heard/read them do that all my life, and I'm coming up on five decades now.
boxman15
(1,033 posts)That's the style that the Wall Street Journal, and famously, the New York Times, follow. On first reference, they'll refer to the president or anybody else by their full name and title (President Barack Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton). After that, it's Mr., Ms., or Mrs. (Mr. Obama, Mrs. Clinton). It's not a slight against the president at all.
bigtree
(85,998 posts). . . as many, many articles do after they initially give the full title.
(but, of course, the WSJ doesn't really deserve much defense from us about the way they characterize and refer to this President)
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Response to lonestarnot (Reply #113)
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aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)Nice try, Mr. Speaker.
He's the President. You aren't.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)But seriously folks -
SDjack
(1,448 posts)Response to SDjack (Reply #134)
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CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Response to bigtree (Original post)
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angry citizen
(73 posts)I remember how much he gloated over the debt ceiling crises. If I may quote a former Providence Mayor. "Sometimes the toe you step on today is attached to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow".