Let me get this straight. Radically extreme right Kirk was killed by a guy

[Dr. T]

who thought he wasn't radically extreme right enough?

The Republican party has been drifting further and further to the right for decades. I've often wondered how much further they could possibly go. They have now reached the twilight zone.

[marble falls]

2. It's become a party of one uppers. I hope they get to the rattlesnake handling phase to prove their faith soon.

[mwmisses4289]

4. Exactly. You said it more succinctly than I did.

[marble falls]

6. You said it just fine.

[mwmisses4289]

3. Yes.

The purge of centrist republicans who were willing to work with democrats to do the best they could for america began under reagan, accelerated under gringrich, and went into overdrive under bush. Now the repub party act like...Jr high? High schoolers? Trying to see which faction can be the most obnoxious and outrageous, with the consequence that their actions affect lives in deadly ways.

[louis-t]

25. My saying is they have to out-crazy each other.

I have a cousin who has been trying to elevate himself in the party since Reagan. His schtick is "I was in the motorcade with Reagan, I ran trmp's campaign in Oakland County, I met with trmp and he's considering me for Ambassador to Lebanon", etc. My mom keeps getting fb messages from him - "John A***** is at Mar-A-Lago". He went crazy on me right before the election at my mother's house, right after answering his phone. I'm sure it was someone he wanted to impress with some "I had to straighten out my liberal cousin" bullshit. By the way, I was in the motorcade with Kennedy, just so you know. I was 4 years old and we were trying to get to his campaign speech in Mt. Clemens MI but the roads were packed. My mother said "Look, there's the motorcade!" I stood up in the backseat and looked out the window of our '58 Edsel just in time to see a couple of Lincoln limos drive by. There, now you know.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

5. What else would you expect?

[Ilsa]

7. I imagine it's easy for Conservatives to drift

even further right in a state like Utah. Moving towards extremism would be an act of rebellion for young people.

[Omnipresent]

9. I know.

Who’s going to stop them from drinking the coolaid, if coolaid is all they have to drink?

[Farmer-Rick]

14. Good point

Tyler Robinson's family would go on shooting vacations in the Grand Canyon. I can think of much better use of my time in the Grand Canyon. His family trained and motivated him for this murder. Though I suspect they wish he had shot a left leaning person. But they are very few and hard to find in Utah.

When you start from the far right and moving even a modicum to the left is considered too extreme, you have no where to go except further right.

[Joinfortmill]

17. I don't know. A lot of this is about character, and indoctrination. But, mostly, character.

[mwb970]

8. MAGA, I'm curious. Is NOW the time to talk about gun control? Or still no?

[WestMichRad]

13. Nope, not yet!

The time for that will be (…checks possible circumstances…) approximately never.

[Emile]

10. Trump blames the 'radical left' for Charlie Kirk's killing

I know, it's 🤪

[IronLionZion]

11. They both hate liberals. Groypers/white nationalists feel Kirk isn't hateful enough

They're trying to speed up the rightward shift and they thought Kirk was slowing them down somehow.

[Heidi]

29. They're like those culty evangelicals who pray for Armageddon.

[purr-rat beauty]

12. It's own division could be our demise

if we're stuck in the middle

[Joinfortmill]

15. The Republican Party is turning into another National Socialist German Workers' Party aka the NAZI Party.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

16. What is source for this

What is the source saying that Kirk wasn’t viewed as radical right enough?

[Joinfortmill]

27. The family was conservative... his views seem to be a bit 'cloudy' (my word). He had an 'undeclared' voter registration

One thing that stood out for me in one of the many articles online was that he tested in the 99 percentile (likely on an SAT or similar test), which is a near perfect score. Often, it seems, that degree of intelligence can come with some strange quirks. Just my opinion.

[Heidi]

31. There are various kinds of intelligence.

Seems most of the right wing is low on emotional intelligence.

[Dr. T]

37. Here's the source. One of many.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220634209

Shout out to Mineral Man.

[jeffreyi]

39. There is lots to digest here

If you are on the outside.
I know I learned some things.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20634209

[sop]

18. We talk about divisive purity battles on the left, but there's a bloody internecine war happening on the right.

[Heidi]

33. And I for one am here for it.

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If they neutralize one another fast enough, maybe our country will have a chance of improving.

[hadEnuf]

19. Extreme hate and fascism eventually leads to insanity.

They are getting to the point where they just want to kill. Who they kill doesn't really matter anymore.

[Javaman]

20. They have drifted out of reality nt

[rollin74]

21. So far, I haven't seen any evidence to support your claims

about the killer’s motive

can you provide a source?

[jeffreyi]

40. This, and lots of others

I don't know how saturation in very edgy online virtual stuff actually translates to somebody planning, traveling, loading the chamber, executing the deed, but perhaps it can.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20634209

[rollin74]

42. Thanks but I don't see any evidence there

it’s just people speculating

I just think it’s unwise for folks to be purporting to know someone’s political affiliation/leanings based on only that

seems like mostly wishful thinking

[Johonny]

22. Its a business

These influencers are in competition with themselves. Yes, their rhetoric is anti-liberal or anti-anythiny a decent society might want. But in reality they're in the market attracting the same customers. Hence their real enemy is each other. It's Coke versus Pepsi. They aren't worried about liberal influencers taking market share from them. They worry about other RWers taking their market share. It's a race to the bottom. And we're probably at the bottom.

[FakeNoose]

34. I agree with this, but they don't see themselves that way

These crazy MAGA cultists are blaming each other in the same way that Dems sometimes harp, "The good is the enemy of the perfect." Problem is, they're crazy (we're not) and they have gunz.

[PunkinPi]

23. .

[RedWhiteBlueIsRacist]

24. Kirk killed by a MAGA-cidal maniac. And just before the fatal blow, Kirk was tossing out MAGA hats!

[vapor2]

28. Maybe it's something in the water?

but RFK jr will be right on it

[Igel]

30. Sure, when "catch this, fascist" is verified as a RW meme and only RW meme.

The others originated not in alt-right circles and are used by alt-right to troll.

On the other than, they can also be used to troll those on the alt-right when you're about to bash in their heads. "Yeah, I'm a _______" ... BASH!

Language is funny that way.

[Clouds Passing]

32. Next stop: off the edge of the earth

[ChicagoTeamster]

35. That's why the other RW shooter tried to assassinate Trump

He thought Trump somehow betrayed MAGA

[Vinca]

36. Exactly. And now they're threatening violence against Democrats. Go figure.

[CatWoman]

38. what did Malcolm X say about chickens coming home to roost?

[gulliver]

41. Link?

Sorry, but the amount of propaganda and click-bait on this is ridiculous. I'm really looking for something definitive from a definitive source.

[Dr. T]

43. Unless you're inside Tyler Robinson's head, you aren't going to get a definative answer. Try this.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/a-maga-groyper-charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinsons-political-leaning-unclear-nick-fuentes-reacts-to-pure-evil/articleshow/123870131.cms

Don't hold your breath waiting for journalists integrity from any of the U.S. mainstream media. They are all scared out of their minds, afraid to dig in and report what they find. The shooting aligns with Nick Fuentes' Groyper movement. Robinson apparently told police he admires Fuentes. Fuentes has gone into full denial mode.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.