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My wife called me the afternoon it happened. It was far down the list of topics. She doesn't follow politics that much until election. She did not know who he was. She asked me and even I botched up the answer. A little later I went into the break room and the story was unfolding on the TV there. Again, one of my coworkers heard the name but didn't know who he was.
I think many are in the same boat which begs the question why are so many sports stadiums. Paying tribute? He was not well known last week at this time.
Walleye
(43,018 posts)He was never a household word, and I got him mixed up with other Charlies. He was ugly enough to be notable, I hope I dont get arrested for that.
House of Roberts
(6,293 posts)Who used to be a right wing radio host, but I guess is a never Trumper now.
Walleye
(43,018 posts)JanMichael
(25,725 posts)I also thought it was 40 or 50 years old.
So no o didn't know much about him at all
Haggis 4 Breakfast
(1,496 posts)One of them that really infuriated us was that he said that "Empathy is a made up word." Geez, sure are seeing a lot of "empathy" for a guy who didn't believe in it.
Sick of the right wing fundies trying to make this kid into the Second Coming of Christ. He was a racist, misogynist, bigoted, homophobic, xenophobic crusader for all things trmp. He shouldn't have been murdered, but all of this hand-wringing, flag-lowering, fevered hysteria is making us nauseous.
Where was all of this outpouring of indignant outrage when the MN Speaker of the House and her husband (and dog) were murdered ? Not one peep from the right wing about that tragedy.
On the same day as the Kirk shooting, children in CO were shot and killed. The silence was deafening about that, too.
Face it, the only school shooting to spark fire on the right was for Kirk.
womanofthehills
(10,557 posts)He was even a cartoon character in an episode of South Park.
He had 3000 Turning Points chapters in high schools and colleges in US.
Silent Type
(11,716 posts)Norbert
(7,427 posts)My first thought was, something happened to William Shatner since that was far and away the most famous character he played.
leftstreet
(37,846 posts)But they've cleverly turned him into a martyr and recruitment tool
If he hadn't been unalived, none of this would be happening. He'd have gone to his grave in old age with zero flags lowered
yankee87
(2,714 posts)He was nothing but a third rate grifter who had a good schtick. He could have been working for the circus as a side show barker.
W_HAMILTON
(9,753 posts)We're living in an increasingly fascist state where the fascists and those-friendly-to-fascists have no shame in letting their true rightwing colors show at this time.
Walleye
(43,018 posts)Fascist or something. The party of butt-hurt boys.
SWBTATTReg
(25,818 posts)less than 1%. Far down the topics of our normal discourse is absolutely right.
The fake outrage by the ultra-right has gone too far, and seems fake to me in reality.
Walleye
(43,018 posts)Submariner
(13,180 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:23 PM - Edit history (1)
but for the most honorable President, Jimmy Carter, we had to embarrass Putin's glory hole into lowering it, then he raised it next day.
That's al I will ever remember about that racist ignorant school dropout.
maddiemom
(5,153 posts)That was truly a disgrace on Trump's part. Makes this Kirk thing all the more revolting.
UpInArms
(53,608 posts)A couple years ago
The content disturbed me, so I looked him up and learned who and what he was
I unsubscribed and reported it as spam
I felt soiled and violated
LeftInTX
(34,007 posts)I mix him up with Nick Fuentes and Enrique Tarrio etc...I can't keep up with them. Proud Boys, MAGATS, Three Percenters, Patriot Prayer, Tea Party Patriots etc etc....
I knew he was head of Turning Point USA and he showed up at the Democratic Convention last year. He kinda reminded me of James O'Keefe. I was like, "What's he doing there?"
Apparently, later Kirk claimed he convinced a DNC delegate to vote for Trump. (Geez)
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-parker-short-altercation-dnc-2024-1941415
Seinan Sensei
(1,223 posts)Cant answer the question, Charlie?
Then answer the question with a question.
Use an unrelated stock question to change the topic.
Lots of Charlies material came from The Bell Curve, a 1995 POS book that took observations and made them into causal statements. Right-wingers loved it.
So what can we do?
For one thing, we can flip the script
Ask the Charlie Kirks of the world to name one thing that Jesus preached that corresponds to Trumps policies.
Maybe ask them to go home and read Matthew 25, Jesuss sermon in Luke 4:18-19, Beatitudes in Luke 6:20-26.
Also Micah 6:8
Diamond_Dog
(38,940 posts)I suppose if you were a regular fox nooze viewer youd know who he was and what he stood for.
iemanja
(57,032 posts)elleng
(141,341 posts)Ping Tung
(3,944 posts)From what I've heard new I doubt that I missed anything significant.
Freddie
(9,979 posts)Over a third rate hate-spreading blogger. Let him rest in flames 🔥 like his pal James Dobson. Now theyve interrupted my soap just when its getting good.
womanofthehills
(10,557 posts)Many adults & seniors dont know who he is but kids do. There are over 3000 Turning Points chapters in US high schools and colleges. Now- after his death, Turning Points has over 20,000 requests for new Turning Point chapters in schools. There is a video out this week of kids protesting their school for refusing to let them open a Turning Points chapter. Then we have Israel flying all the young conservative Christian influencers in Turning Points for free to Israel. Charlies wife Ericka said the first time she saw Charlie was in a line in Israel and then later they traveled together to Israel,
How do Dems counter this? We could end up with 20,000 Turning Points chapters in our high schools and colleges. I think this should be a big concern. Hopefully, without Kirk, the kids will lose interest, The majority of young Republican kids are now polling as anti-genocide so I dont think they will take to Zionist Ben Shapiro who wants to replace Kirk.
Seeking Serenity
(3,242 posts)and were/are very affected by his assassination.
ETA: Responding to this
LeftInTX
(34,007 posts)ITAL
(1,220 posts)I'm probably on the younger side for this board (mid 40s), and a whole lot of the folks I went to school with made comments about his shooting. I'm also a member of a film discussion board and all sorts of folks talked about him when it happened. I'd say for people 45 and younger he was fairly well known.
LeftInTX
(34,007 posts)but then I spend way too much time here on DU
Crowman2009
(3,339 posts)I've frequented various progressive YouTube channels where he's mentioned more often than MSM. Now that I've revisted his horrible views about rape and underage rape, I'm glad he's dead. I just wish he died from his own stupidity as opposed to political violence. What an absolute horrible piece of shit he was!
Not to mention that his organization TPUSA is a totally hypocritical corrupt organization.
Crunchy Frog
(28,143 posts)wcollar
(211 posts)I think and hope hell be more like Limbaugh, quickly forgotten.
Limbaugh died of natural causes. Kirk was murdered. I remember one of my history professors in college saying "If you're a public figure and want to be remembered fondly, get assassinated." He said it tongue in cheek, but there's a lot of validity to that.
Crunchy Frog
(28,143 posts)and there was no conceivable way that his death could be blamed on "the left".
Plus, he appealed to a much older demographic, through radio, not internet, and didn't have a massive organization infiltrating schools and radicalizing young people.
He was already a spent force when he died. The regime couldn't use him in the same way that it's going to be using CK.
I honestly hope you're right, but at the point I feel that it's wishful thinking.
CrispyQ
(40,392 posts)And if they're apolitical anyway, how many will go verify what the truth is?
Every day we sink a little deeper.
Norbert
(7,427 posts)Or else this could be the best thing that happened to the MAGAs this year.
Keepthesoulalive
(1,986 posts)And some people actually pray to him for salvation.
Hope22
(4,277 posts)On college campuses. Humping for TSF!
Crowman2009
(3,339 posts)...result in Charlie going to prison a few years from now.
tritsofme
(19,629 posts)TheProle
(3,809 posts)But he was key to delivering Trump many young voters, and the ongoing news cycle is further driving views of his content.
The YouTube audience for his organization Turning Point USA has also grown, with 3.6 million subscribers now, up from 3.3 million.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/13/media/charlie-kirk-erika-social-media-tpusa-followers
ificandream
(11,517 posts)Hero, patriot ... it's meat for the doggies on the right. And they ate it up.
I'm waiting for some dumbass Republican to put up a bill making his birthday a national holiday or some religious nut suggesting a church be named after him.
dweller
(27,475 posts)Charlie Kirk, 31, shot dead in Utah
Fortunately, the Second Amendment wasn't harmed.
https://cognitivedissident.substack.com/p/charlie-kirk-31-shot-dead-in-utah
✌🏻
Ocelot II
(128,029 posts)or, like me, you might know of him but vaguely - that he was some kind of RW troll who said shitty things about everybody who wasn't a white Christian male Republican. But until now I had no idea that he was such a BFD among (some) online youth - some kind of incel hero, it would seem - and now they're hanging him up on Jesus' cross while sending hippie Jesus off to do stupid woke stuff like feed the poor and heal the sick.
Elessar Zappa
(16,381 posts)Theres 3,000 chapters of his organization on high school campuses around the country. And thats very scary.
Ocelot II
(128,029 posts)But a whole lot of people are not part of that demographic and until now wouldn't have been able to pick him out of a lineup.
Elessar Zappa
(16,381 posts)Guess Im just thinking out loud. Im very worried about young men. My generation (millennial) had the most liberal men in history and now they say GenZ men are flocking to the fascists.
RobinA
(10,452 posts)heard of the guy. When I heard the news that a righty named Charlie Kirk had been shot during a speech I thought from the hullabaloo that he was a Congress critter. It was a good day and a half day before I realized he was just a talker. Now I'm counting the days until I never here of him again.
EdmondDantes_
(1,061 posts)He was very common on social media both people supporting and opposing him. Some (including Trump) give him some of the credit for young men shifting right.
William Seger
(11,944 posts)EdmondDantes_
(1,061 posts)It took forever to train the algorithm that just because I like fitness, that doesn't mean I want right wing stuff. But even before his death, there's frequently someone posting clips responding from the liberal perspective. Kirk had abhorrent ideas but he generated a whole lot of views both for and against his ideas.
William Seger
(11,944 posts)It didn't take long before about 95% of the suggested videos were right-wing BS.
LeftInTX
(34,007 posts)Thanks for taking one for the team!
William Seger
(11,944 posts)Mark.b2
(663 posts)Id seen his Oxford debate since I watch those quite often. He was also on Bill Maher in the last 2-3 months.
I do think most of his prominence was among college-aged folks.
JMCKUSICK
(4,376 posts)Most of the sheeple who have never heard of him will swallow the bullshit, hook line and sinker.
GreenWave
(11,859 posts)Now his corpse is a political tool for Trump
Doodley
(11,459 posts)Gimpyknee
(903 posts)Coldwater
(476 posts)Through his non-profit organization Turning Point USA he paid for buses to take people to the January 6th insurrection.
NewHendoLib
(61,395 posts)live love laugh
(16,026 posts)Vogon_Glory
(10,119 posts)Although that concept doesnt seem to be in vogue among podcasters, social media or the corrupt, lying lamestream corporate news media.
WarGamer
(18,061 posts)850 campuses have TPUSA chapters...
So how many people would recognize the name?
IDK... maybe 5-10% of the population?
TheProle
(3,809 posts)of those who have never heard of an effective grassroots organizer for the opposition and those who immediately seized on election fraud to explain Harris' loss.
markodochartaigh
(4,532 posts)Well, what percentage of the population knows who their national and state senators and representatives are?
What percentage can name the Secretary of State?
And what percentage of the population knew of Kirk and his odious beliefs before compared to the percentage of the population who know of St. Charlie now without understanding what he actually said?
Ignorance is an important political tool for authoritarians and the Republicans are expert in its use. They are funneling the next generation right down the skibidi toilet.
AverageOldGuy
(3,116 posts)I knew Turning Point USA was a batshit crazy group but thats all
Crunchy Frog
(28,143 posts)I knew the name and could recognize the face, and knew he was a RW shit talker, but not much more than that, and he wasn't anyone that I ever thought about.
Jimvanhise
(537 posts)Kirk dined with Donald Trump and thereby got more recognition. His Turning Point organization was so successful that he left an estate worth $14 million. But he apparently had his limits and refused to associate with Nick Fuentes who was anti-semitic and a Holocaust denier and there is video of him attempting to crash Charlie Kirk appearances and being turned away. But it took Charlie Kirk years to become as well known as he was. There are still questions about how serious he was because he made a lot of money off the backs of racists and white supremacists but did he really believe all of the crap he said about blacks or did it just make for good television?
Coldwater
(476 posts)The first time I heard then name Charlie Kirk was in December 2020, He announced the Turning Point USA End-of-the Year Gala at Mar-a-Lago. During that week there were 15,000 new cases of Covid-19 reported in Florida and they were expecting 5000 students to attend the party.
The press was calling it a super-spreader event.
What I found most appalling was that the party was held in deference to the Covid-19 death earlier in the year of Turning Point USA co-founded Bill Montgomery.
IronLionZion
(50,221 posts)They love promoting and amplifying their BS through all media channels. This was just the latest excuse. You can tell since their "solutions" are to screw people who had nothing to do with it, like transgender or "the left" or higher education in general.
Nothing about guns. Nothing about reducing their own very violent rhetoric like "civil war" language. Nothing about the extremists on the far right who actually did it. Nope, just scapegoat people they don't like.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,457 posts)Next Sunday. Doors open at 8am. Tailgate parties will start around 6am. Wear a red hat.
doc03
(38,572 posts)countless right wing nut jobs.
Demobrat
(10,237 posts)Im glad I didnt. What an ugly man he was.
canetoad
(19,753 posts)I saw the name on DU and looked him up because hadn't heard of him before.
Next morning - all over. I felt like the kiss of death, but in a nice way.
Seeking Serenity
(3,242 posts)at their peril. This could be a radical game-changer. If you're oblivious to how the younger generations are reacting to this, on TikTok, on livestreams, well, I don't know what to say.
Destiny, a popular left-wing streamer, goes on his stream and says that conservatives ought to be afraid being killed when they go out in public until they convince Trump to tone it down. He said on Piers Morgan's YT show the other day that if conservatives didn't want political violence, they shouldn't have elected Trump (i.e. vote the way I want you to or there'll be violence).
My younger son pointed out that this was the first truly national political assassination since 1968, and I couldn't say he was wrong. He says this feels to him and his friends (IRL and online) that this is huge, and that (his view, not necessarily my own) you can only call your political enemies Nazis, Facists, evil, hateful, punch a Nazi, etc, until other people listening to those messages to internalise them and say, "Yeah, they are. If no one else is going to do something about it, I will."
People and circumstances change. It's a republic "if you can keep it." Right now, WE, people on the left and the right, aren't doing a very good job of keeping it right now. (And save the "It's not the left! All of it is only coming from the right" bit. It's just not true, and only the blind partisan cannot see.)
Just my (and my son's) opinion. Flame me as you will, IDC.
fujiyamasan
(821 posts)But a vast majority sure does. Most domestic terrorism over the last two decades or more has come from the right. Do you need the stats?
More disturbingly, while a vast majority of Dems continue to decry and condemn political violence, we see one side increasingly call for retribution rather than calling for calm.
But feel free to both-sider this and encourage your son to do so if you want.
AllaN01Bear
(27,835 posts)Diraven
(1,717 posts)It's actually a feature that not many people know him. Because most people will just hear that he was a wonderful Christian family man brutally murdered by a leftist trans-loving assassin hired by the evil Democrats. All the nasty things he said that most people would likely find abhorrent can just be swept under the rug.
mnhtnbb
(32,957 posts)in a big way in 2024. I was shocked to see the actual voter breakdown.
In almost every swing state, young voters showed their political power : NPR https://www.npr.org/2024/11/07/g-s1-33331/unpacking-the-2024-youth-vote-heres-what-we-know-so-far
I had no idea before Kirk was shot who he was. I'm beginning to finally understand the effect he may have had in influencing college age students to vote for Trump.
LeftInTX
(34,007 posts)Kai is a real cutie, has fun videos, she's likeable, she's relatable, so people don't think of her as a "Trump". One of her videos is "We tried everything at Dunkin Donuts" ...People like those kind of videos. (Unless they don't like donuts)
She had a big influence on TikTok with young people and helped Trump's image from old stale, boogie man to someone they felt they could relate to.

Kai Trump Tells Convention Crowd: Hes Just a Normal Grandpa
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/us/politics/kai-trump-granddaughter-rnc.html
H2O Man
(78,155 posts)All four of my adult children knew of him. I know that I've either heard his name on a podcast or read it here. So on the day he was shot, when my son told me I had to ask exactly who he was?
muriel_volestrangler
(105,103 posts)https://1819news.com/news/item/poll-charlie-kirk-turning-point-usa-second-most-watched-conservative-platform-in-alabama-behind-fox-news
from 1295 Q2 2025 interviews by YouGov - 63% had heard of him: https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/explore/public_figure/Charlie_Kirk
That is the same as, say, Benicio del Toro, Sean Astin, Chris Elliot, Carly Rae Jepsen, or Joe Manchin.
Haggis 4 Breakfast
(1,496 posts)Also famous for having one of the lowest rates of adult literacy and the highest rates of gun deaths.
muriel_volestrangler
(105,103 posts)who are wailing about him.
The point is that, yes, he was well known on the right. It's hard to think of an unelected activist on the left who was as well known. Who would you say is the best known left wing unelected activist (ie not counting people better known for doing something else, just for their political activity)?
hadEnuf
(3,445 posts)Many monied MAGATs have an interest in turning Kirk into a martyr and the left into the fall guy.
Anything that has a big audience with a lot of conservatives is a target for the Trump poisoning.
pfitz59
(12,015 posts)The 'Ghislaine Maxwell' of MAGA youth. Lure them in with rock star type rallies, then fill their heads with racist tropes. Truly an evil chode.
flashman13
(1,688 posts)barbtries
(30,921 posts)he was if anything a minor celebrity. what he had was a large number of radicalized young men; people who were radicalized by people such as he and others like him.
the sole reason that krasnov and company are making it such a big deal is for the propaganda they can generate and catapult around it. most magats don't know who the fuck he is either.
ETA why legacy media is jumping on the krasnov propaganda train is another story. it is not flattering to said media to think that they have capitulated and agreed to be the state's weapon in order to destroy democracy and be part of the autocracy. I gave them up some time ago and stick to Independent Media primarily now.
I had no idea who he was, but the way the news initially came out, I assumed he was a republican holding an office.
Then I researched and read several of his thoughts and quotes and thought wtf. How did he survive this long?
muriel_volestrangler
(105,103 posts)Trey Parker and Matt Stone's long-running animated sitcom regularly lampoons leading figures including the US president.
The episode, titled Got a Nut, premiered on 6 August and finds the character Clyde Donovan espousing offensive views on a podcast. He then sets up a table at South Park Elementary school in order to "destroy woke liberal students", inviting his classmates to grab the microphone and prove him wrong.
...
In the episode, another South Park character, Eric Cartman, later fights with Donovan and takes his seat while wearing an outfit and hairstyle similar to Kirk.
Donovan is ultimately awarded the "Charlie Kirk Award for Young Master Debaters."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2500p3qjyo
EYESORE 9001
(29,258 posts)Id heard the name bandied about, but had no idea what he looked like. I watched a couple of so-called debates where he got his ass handed to him. Gish gallop is so passé.
IbogaProject
(5,294 posts)That is why they are hyping him now after his death.
LearnedHand
(5,091 posts)Some of the folks behind the Find Out Podcast implemented an organized effort to show up at his college campuses and counter-debate him. I knew of him long before that as well through a number of articles about his influence and xtian dominionist messaging.
Greybnk48
(10,639 posts)When i saw his picture after the shooting, I can honestly say I had never seen him before.
mimitabby
(1,958 posts)But I understand, young people are bombarde with his bs