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Norbert

(7,427 posts)
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:22 PM Sep 16

Serious???: What percentage of the US population knew who Charlie Kirk was

My wife called me the afternoon it happened. It was far down the list of topics. She doesn't follow politics that much until election. She did not know who he was. She asked me and even I botched up the answer. A little later I went into the break room and the story was unfolding on the TV there. Again, one of my coworkers heard the name but didn't know who he was.

I think many are in the same boat which begs the question why are so many sports stadiums. Paying tribute? He was not well known last week at this time.

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Serious???: What percentage of the US population knew who Charlie Kirk was (Original Post) Norbert Sep 16 OP
I didn't know who he was except a few outrageous things he said until a couple of weeks ago Walleye Sep 16 #1
I always got him confused with Charlie Sykes. House of Roberts Sep 16 #27
Yeah, me too. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Walleye Sep 16 #34
Me three. BHDem53 Sep 16 #69
The name sounded familiar but never heard him talking about anything. JanMichael Sep 16 #67
We knew who he was and the vile, vulgar things he said. Haggis 4 Breakfast Sep 16 #80
The kids did - he was basically an organizer of young Republicans womanofthehills Sep 16 #92
He's well known now. Was in same boat before, I'd see a reference to Charlie Kirk but thought it was about Star Trek. Silent Type Sep 16 #2
When my wife said Kirk... Norbert Sep 16 #8
Probably very, very few leftstreet Sep 16 #3
Podcaster yankee87 Sep 16 #4
Because Republican. W_HAMILTON Sep 16 #5
Absolutely true true. But then they get all butt hurt if you point anything like that out to them. Like calling them a Walleye Sep 16 #35
Out of the list of the thousands of people in the news over a period of years that we all are exposed to, I'd say SWBTATTReg Sep 16 #6
So many people will never know his real political stance they will whitewash it, and they never knew him Walleye Sep 16 #91
The percentage that know the flag was lowered instantly for that racist asshole Submariner Sep 16 #7
YES! I don't know how I 'd forgotten about the President Jimmy Carter thing. maddiemom Sep 16 #83
I somehow ended up on a mailing or text list that he obtained UpInArms Sep 16 #9
He was not a household name. I knew who he was. LeftInTX Sep 16 #10
This is a perfect example of Kirk's MO Seinan Sensei Sep 16 #93
I had heard his name before but that was all, I didn't know who he was or anything about him. Diamond_Dog Sep 16 #11
Honestly, I'd heard his name but didn't know any details about him. iemanja Sep 16 #12
Never heard of him until he was shot. elleng Sep 16 #13
I never even heard of him until he got shot. Ping Tung Sep 16 #14
I am so f*cking sick of this never ending story Freddie Sep 16 #15
You are underestimating him - not just a blogger but a huge youth influencer womanofthehills Sep 16 #43
This is true. My Millennial and Zoomer sons, both adults, both knew who CK was Seeking Serenity Sep 16 #44
Yikes! Thanks for the info! LeftInTX Sep 16 #45
He was well known among younger people ITAL Sep 16 #16
I'm old and knew about him. LeftInTX Sep 16 #18
same Kali Sep 16 #39
I wish I knew less about him. Crowman2009 Sep 16 #37
Sadly, I think he's going to do more harm dead than he did alive. Crunchy Frog Sep 16 #54
Lush Rimbaugh wcollar Sep 16 #72
Unlikely ITAL Sep 16 #74
Limbaugh wasn't assassinated, wasn't turned into a martyr, Crunchy Frog Sep 16 #90
What's really tragic is that a whole bunch of people who didn't know of him, now think he's a good guy. CrispyQ Sep 16 #17
Yep, and I hope they don't buy that the left are monsters. Norbert Sep 16 #20
Some people believe Trump is a good guy Keepthesoulalive Sep 16 #49
His dirty work was done where he died... Hope22 Sep 16 #19
I wish he was alive for the sole purpose of TPUSA falling apart due to financial & sex scandals, and hopefully would... Crowman2009 Sep 16 #40
I don't think we were his target audience... tritsofme Sep 16 #21
I guess he flew under a lot of people's radar. TheProle Sep 16 #22
The right made this pinhead look like a shining star. Which he certainly wasn't. ificandream Sep 16 #23
when you are dealing with zealots, they may decide martyrs are necessary dweller Sep 16 #24
Unless you follow politics closely or are very online, you won't know who he was, Ocelot II Sep 16 #25
A lot of young people know who he is. Elessar Zappa Sep 16 #84
That's my point. He may be well-known to a large portion of *that demographic.* Ocelot II Sep 16 #85
Ok, understood. Elessar Zappa Sep 16 #87
I Had Never RobinA Sep 16 #26
Probably depends a lot on age and social media usage EdmondDantes_ Sep 16 #28
Any viewing of right-wing videos on YouTube assures you'll be offered a Kirk video eventually William Seger Sep 16 #33
For me it was Instagram EdmondDantes_ Sep 16 #47
I have a separate YouTube account that I only use to comment on right-wing BS William Seger Sep 16 #57
Ugh......Fun!! (not my thing) ...LOL LeftInTX Sep 16 #59
Haven't done much lately - they've become too nauseating to even watch. (nt) William Seger Sep 16 #61
I knew who he was... Mark.b2 Sep 16 #29
That's why it's so easy to turn him into a Martyr, JMCKUSICK Sep 16 #30
Low amount therefore murdered not assassinated. GreenWave Sep 16 #31
I thought he was something to do with Star Trek. Doodley Sep 16 #32
I'm surprised that so few here knew who Charlie Kirk was. Gimpyknee Sep 16 #36
Charlie Kirk was a groomer of young republicans Coldwater Sep 16 #38
I had a vague idea, but no specific knowledge NewHendoLib Sep 16 #41
When they show you who they are .... live love laugh Sep 16 #42
Indeed Vogon_Glory Sep 16 #62
between his social media platforms he has around 10m followers... WarGamer Sep 16 #46
Would be interesting to see the overlap in a Venn Diagram TheProle Sep 16 #88
What percentage of the population knew who Kirk was? markodochartaigh Sep 16 #48
I didn't konw AverageOldGuy Sep 16 #50
It's what the dictatorship and its mob demand. Crunchy Frog Sep 16 #51
HE BOASTED HIS OWN RECOGNITION Jimvanhise Sep 16 #52
The first time I heard then name Charlie Kirk was in December 2020 Coldwater Sep 16 #53
Republicans are using his death for their own gain, to advance their agenda IronLionZion Sep 16 #55
They're using a whole NFL stadium for the memorial service. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 16 #56
I think I may have heard his name before. I figured he was another one of the doc03 Sep 16 #58
I didn't know. Now after having read a few of his quotes, Demobrat Sep 16 #60
The day before the shooting canetoad Sep 16 #63
People here, who came of age in a very different political time, dismiss this assassination and the reactions to it Seeking Serenity Sep 16 #64
Not all comes from the right fujiyamasan Sep 17 #97
never even heard of the guy undill the right made a big deall out of his assasination. AllaN01Bear Sep 16 #65
Because they're turning him into a MAGA martyr Diraven Sep 16 #66
Young voters swung from Biden to Trump mnhtnbb Sep 16 #68
Other influencers are his granddaughter, Kai Trump and son Barron. LeftInTX Sep 16 #86
Recommended. H2O Man Sep 16 #70
Poll: Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA second-most watched conservative platform in Alabama behind Fox News muriel_volestrangler Sep 16 #71
Alabama -- Haggis 4 Breakfast Sep 16 #76
Well, I hope you weren't thinking that it is the well-educated and those with few guns muriel_volestrangler Sep 16 #79
They are paying tribute thanks to right wing money. hadEnuf Sep 16 #73
Head recruiter for Twitler Youth. AKA Turning Point pfitz59 Sep 16 #75
Horst Wessel was a nobody until Hitler and Goebbels turned him into a Nazi demigod. flashman13 Sep 16 #77
I found out earlier this year on BlueSky. barbtries Sep 16 #78
agree Dentbla Sep 16 #81
Well enough known for South Park to lampoon him muriel_volestrangler Sep 16 #82
Perhaps 3 months ago EYESORE 9001 Sep 16 #89
His wealthy masters and MAGA knew him IbogaProject Sep 16 #94
I knew of him LearnedHand Sep 16 #95
I didn't know who he was although I thought the name sounded familiar. Greybnk48 Sep 17 #96
Never heard of him mimitabby Sep 17 #98

Walleye

(43,018 posts)
1. I didn't know who he was except a few outrageous things he said until a couple of weeks ago
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:26 PM
Sep 16

He was never a household word, and I got him mixed up with other Charlies. He was ugly enough to be notable, I hope I don’t get arrested for that.

House of Roberts

(6,293 posts)
27. I always got him confused with Charlie Sykes.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:55 PM
Sep 16

Who used to be a right wing radio host, but I guess is a never Trumper now.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
67. The name sounded familiar but never heard him talking about anything.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:34 PM
Sep 16

I also thought it was 40 or 50 years old.

So no o didn't know much about him at all

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,496 posts)
80. We knew who he was and the vile, vulgar things he said.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:16 PM
Sep 16

One of them that really infuriated us was that he said that "Empathy is a made up word." Geez, sure are seeing a lot of "empathy" for a guy who didn't believe in it.

Sick of the right wing fundies trying to make this kid into the Second Coming of Christ. He was a racist, misogynist, bigoted, homophobic, xenophobic crusader for all things trmp. He shouldn't have been murdered, but all of this hand-wringing, flag-lowering, fevered hysteria is making us nauseous.

Where was all of this outpouring of indignant outrage when the MN Speaker of the House and her husband (and dog) were murdered ? Not one peep from the right wing about that tragedy.
On the same day as the Kirk shooting, children in CO were shot and killed. The silence was deafening about that, too.

Face it, the only school shooting to spark fire on the right was for Kirk.

womanofthehills

(10,557 posts)
92. The kids did - he was basically an organizer of young Republicans
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:01 PM
Sep 16

He was even a cartoon character in an episode of South Park.

He had 3000 Turning Points chapters in high schools and colleges in US.

Silent Type

(11,716 posts)
2. He's well known now. Was in same boat before, I'd see a reference to Charlie Kirk but thought it was about Star Trek.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:27 PM
Sep 16

Norbert

(7,427 posts)
8. When my wife said Kirk...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:31 PM
Sep 16

My first thought was, something happened to William Shatner since that was far and away the most famous character he played.

leftstreet

(37,846 posts)
3. Probably very, very few
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:27 PM
Sep 16

But they've cleverly turned him into a martyr and recruitment tool

If he hadn't been unalived, none of this would be happening. He'd have gone to his grave in old age with zero flags lowered

yankee87

(2,714 posts)
4. Podcaster
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:28 PM
Sep 16

He was nothing but a third rate grifter who had a good schtick. He could have been working for the circus as a side show barker.

W_HAMILTON

(9,753 posts)
5. Because Republican.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:28 PM
Sep 16

We're living in an increasingly fascist state where the fascists and those-friendly-to-fascists have no shame in letting their true rightwing colors show at this time.

Walleye

(43,018 posts)
35. Absolutely true true. But then they get all butt hurt if you point anything like that out to them. Like calling them a
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:27 PM
Sep 16

Fascist or something. The party of butt-hurt boys.

SWBTATTReg

(25,818 posts)
6. Out of the list of the thousands of people in the news over a period of years that we all are exposed to, I'd say
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:29 PM
Sep 16

less than 1%. Far down the topics of our normal discourse is absolutely right.

The fake outrage by the ultra-right has gone too far, and seems fake to me in reality.

Walleye

(43,018 posts)
91. So many people will never know his real political stance they will whitewash it, and they never knew him
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:47 PM
Sep 16

Submariner

(13,180 posts)
7. The percentage that know the flag was lowered instantly for that racist asshole
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:30 PM
Sep 16

Last edited Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:23 PM - Edit history (1)

but for the most honorable President, Jimmy Carter, we had to embarrass Putin's glory hole into lowering it, then he raised it next day.

That's al I will ever remember about that racist ignorant school dropout.

maddiemom

(5,153 posts)
83. YES! I don't know how I 'd forgotten about the President Jimmy Carter thing.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:20 PM
Sep 16

That was truly a disgrace on Trump's part. Makes this Kirk thing all the more revolting.

UpInArms

(53,608 posts)
9. I somehow ended up on a mailing or text list that he obtained
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:31 PM
Sep 16

A couple years ago …

The content disturbed me, so I looked him up and learned who and what he was …

I unsubscribed and reported it as spam

I felt soiled and violated

LeftInTX

(34,007 posts)
10. He was not a household name. I knew who he was.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:35 PM
Sep 16

I mix him up with Nick Fuentes and Enrique Tarrio etc...I can't keep up with them. Proud Boys, MAGATS, Three Percenters, Patriot Prayer, Tea Party Patriots etc etc....

I knew he was head of Turning Point USA and he showed up at the Democratic Convention last year. He kinda reminded me of James O'Keefe. I was like, "What's he doing there?"

Apparently, later Kirk claimed he convinced a DNC delegate to vote for Trump. (Geez)

https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-parker-short-altercation-dnc-2024-1941415


Seinan Sensei

(1,223 posts)
93. This is a perfect example of Kirk's MO
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:06 PM
Sep 16

Can’t answer the question, Charlie?
Then answer the question with a question.
Use an unrelated stock question to change the topic.
Lots of Charlie’s material came from The Bell Curve, a 1995 POS book that took observations and made them into causal statements. Right-wingers loved it.

So what can we do?
For one thing, we can flip the script
Ask the Charlie Kirks of the world to name one thing that Jesus preached that corresponds to Trump’s policies.

Maybe ask them to go home and read Matthew 25, Jesus’s sermon in Luke 4:18-19, Beatitudes in Luke 6:20-26.
Also Micah 6:8

Diamond_Dog

(38,940 posts)
11. I had heard his name before but that was all, I didn't know who he was or anything about him.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:35 PM
Sep 16

I suppose if you were a regular fox nooze viewer you’d know who he was and what he stood for.

Ping Tung

(3,944 posts)
14. I never even heard of him until he got shot.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:38 PM
Sep 16

From what I've heard new I doubt that I missed anything significant.

Freddie

(9,979 posts)
15. I am so f*cking sick of this never ending story
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:39 PM
Sep 16

Over a third rate hate-spreading blogger. Let him rest in flames 🔥 like his pal James Dobson. Now they’ve interrupted my soap just when it’s getting good.

womanofthehills

(10,557 posts)
43. You are underestimating him - not just a blogger but a huge youth influencer
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:42 PM
Sep 16

Many adults & seniors don’t know who he is but kids do. There are over 3000 Turning Points chapters in US high schools and colleges. Now- after his death, Turning Points has over 20,000 requests for new Turning Point chapters in schools. There is a video out this week of kids protesting their school for refusing to let them open a Turning Points chapter. Then we have Israel flying all the young conservative Christian influencers in Turning Points for free to Israel. Charlie’s wife Ericka said the first time she saw Charlie was in a line in Israel and then later they traveled together to Israel,

How do Dems counter this? We could end up with 20,000 Turning Points chapters in our high schools and colleges. I think this should be a big concern. Hopefully, without Kirk, the kids will lose interest, The majority of young Republican kids are now polling as anti-genocide so I don’t think they will take to Zionist Ben Shapiro who wants to replace Kirk.


Seeking Serenity

(3,242 posts)
44. This is true. My Millennial and Zoomer sons, both adults, both knew who CK was
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:45 PM
Sep 16

and were/are very affected by his assassination.

ETA: Responding to this

Many adults & seniors don’t know who he is but kids do.

ITAL

(1,220 posts)
16. He was well known among younger people
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:39 PM
Sep 16

I'm probably on the younger side for this board (mid 40s), and a whole lot of the folks I went to school with made comments about his shooting. I'm also a member of a film discussion board and all sorts of folks talked about him when it happened. I'd say for people 45 and younger he was fairly well known.

Crowman2009

(3,339 posts)
37. I wish I knew less about him.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:33 PM
Sep 16

I've frequented various progressive YouTube channels where he's mentioned more often than MSM. Now that I've revisted his horrible views about rape and underage rape, I'm glad he's dead. I just wish he died from his own stupidity as opposed to political violence. What an absolute horrible piece of shit he was!

Not to mention that his organization TPUSA is a totally hypocritical corrupt organization.

ITAL

(1,220 posts)
74. Unlikely
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:56 PM
Sep 16

Limbaugh died of natural causes. Kirk was murdered. I remember one of my history professors in college saying "If you're a public figure and want to be remembered fondly, get assassinated." He said it tongue in cheek, but there's a lot of validity to that.

Crunchy Frog

(28,143 posts)
90. Limbaugh wasn't assassinated, wasn't turned into a martyr,
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:34 PM
Sep 16

and there was no conceivable way that his death could be blamed on "the left".

Plus, he appealed to a much older demographic, through radio, not internet, and didn't have a massive organization infiltrating schools and radicalizing young people.

He was already a spent force when he died. The regime couldn't use him in the same way that it's going to be using CK.

I honestly hope you're right, but at the point I feel that it's wishful thinking.

CrispyQ

(40,392 posts)
17. What's really tragic is that a whole bunch of people who didn't know of him, now think he's a good guy.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:39 PM
Sep 16

And if they're apolitical anyway, how many will go verify what the truth is?

Every day we sink a little deeper.

Norbert

(7,427 posts)
20. Yep, and I hope they don't buy that the left are monsters.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:47 PM
Sep 16

Or else this could be the best thing that happened to the MAGAs this year.

Crowman2009

(3,339 posts)
40. I wish he was alive for the sole purpose of TPUSA falling apart due to financial & sex scandals, and hopefully would...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:35 PM
Sep 16

...result in Charlie going to prison a few years from now.

TheProle

(3,809 posts)
22. I guess he flew under a lot of people's radar.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:50 PM
Sep 16

But he was key to delivering Trump many young voters, and the ongoing news cycle is further driving views of his content.

Kirk’s main Instagram account has added 3.5 million followers since the assassination; his podcast’s TikTok account has gained more than 1.5 million followers; and his main Facebook page has added more than 2.3 million followers.

On YouTube, Kirk’s primary channel now has 4.5 million subscribers, up from 3.8 million before he was killed.

The YouTube audience for his organization Turning Point USA has also grown, with 3.6 million subscribers now, up from 3.3 million.

Erika’s address was livestreamed on his main YouTube channel, and it has been viewed upwards of 3.1 million times on YouTube since.


https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/13/media/charlie-kirk-erika-social-media-tpusa-followers

ificandream

(11,517 posts)
23. The right made this pinhead look like a shining star. Which he certainly wasn't.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:51 PM
Sep 16

Hero, patriot ... it's meat for the doggies on the right. And they ate it up.

I'm waiting for some dumbass Republican to put up a bill making his birthday a national holiday or some religious nut suggesting a church be named after him.

dweller

(27,475 posts)
24. when you are dealing with zealots, they may decide martyrs are necessary
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:51 PM
Sep 16

Charlie Kirk, 31, shot dead in Utah
Fortunately, the Second Amendment wasn't harmed.

https://cognitivedissident.substack.com/p/charlie-kirk-31-shot-dead-in-utah




✌🏻

Ocelot II

(128,029 posts)
25. Unless you follow politics closely or are very online, you won't know who he was,
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:52 PM
Sep 16

or, like me, you might know of him but vaguely - that he was some kind of RW troll who said shitty things about everybody who wasn't a white Christian male Republican. But until now I had no idea that he was such a BFD among (some) online youth - some kind of incel hero, it would seem - and now they're hanging him up on Jesus' cross while sending hippie Jesus off to do stupid woke stuff like feed the poor and heal the sick.

Elessar Zappa

(16,381 posts)
84. A lot of young people know who he is.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:20 PM
Sep 16

There’s 3,000 chapters of his organization on high school campuses around the country. And that’s very scary.

Ocelot II

(128,029 posts)
85. That's my point. He may be well-known to a large portion of *that demographic.*
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:23 PM
Sep 16

But a whole lot of people are not part of that demographic and until now wouldn't have been able to pick him out of a lineup.

Elessar Zappa

(16,381 posts)
87. Ok, understood.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:26 PM
Sep 16

Guess I’m just thinking out loud. I’m very worried about young men. My generation (millennial) had the most liberal men in history and now they say GenZ men are flocking to the fascists.

RobinA

(10,452 posts)
26. I Had Never
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:55 PM
Sep 16

heard of the guy. When I heard the news that a righty named Charlie Kirk had been shot during a speech I thought from the hullabaloo that he was a Congress critter. It was a good day and a half day before I realized he was just a talker. Now I'm counting the days until I never here of him again.

EdmondDantes_

(1,061 posts)
28. Probably depends a lot on age and social media usage
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:00 PM
Sep 16

He was very common on social media both people supporting and opposing him. Some (including Trump) give him some of the credit for young men shifting right.

EdmondDantes_

(1,061 posts)
47. For me it was Instagram
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:52 PM
Sep 16

It took forever to train the algorithm that just because I like fitness, that doesn't mean I want right wing stuff. But even before his death, there's frequently someone posting clips responding from the liberal perspective. Kirk had abhorrent ideas but he generated a whole lot of views both for and against his ideas.

William Seger

(11,944 posts)
57. I have a separate YouTube account that I only use to comment on right-wing BS
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:19 PM
Sep 16

It didn't take long before about 95% of the suggested videos were right-wing BS.

Mark.b2

(663 posts)
29. I knew who he was...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:03 PM
Sep 16

I’d seen his Oxford debate since I watch those quite often. He was also on Bill Maher in the last 2-3 months.

I do think most of his prominence was among college-aged folks.

JMCKUSICK

(4,376 posts)
30. That's why it's so easy to turn him into a Martyr,
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:16 PM
Sep 16

Most of the sheeple who have never heard of him will swallow the bullshit, hook line and sinker.

GreenWave

(11,859 posts)
31. Low amount therefore murdered not assassinated.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:16 PM
Sep 16

Now his corpse is a political tool for Trump

Coldwater

(476 posts)
38. Charlie Kirk was a groomer of young republicans
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:33 PM
Sep 16

Through his non-profit organization Turning Point USA he paid for buses to take people to the January 6th insurrection.

Vogon_Glory

(10,119 posts)
62. Indeed
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:28 PM
Sep 16

Although that concept doesn’t seem to be in vogue among podcasters, social media or the corrupt, lying “lamestream” corporate news media.

WarGamer

(18,061 posts)
46. between his social media platforms he has around 10m followers...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:47 PM
Sep 16

850 campuses have TPUSA chapters...

So how many people would recognize the name?

IDK... maybe 5-10% of the population?

TheProle

(3,809 posts)
88. Would be interesting to see the overlap in a Venn Diagram
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:30 PM
Sep 16

of those who have never heard of an effective grassroots organizer for the opposition and those who immediately seized on election fraud to explain Harris' loss.

markodochartaigh

(4,532 posts)
48. What percentage of the population knew who Kirk was?
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:58 PM
Sep 16

Well, what percentage of the population knows who their national and state senators and representatives are?
What percentage can name the Secretary of State?
And what percentage of the population knew of Kirk and his odious beliefs before compared to the percentage of the population who know of St. Charlie now without understanding what he actually said?
Ignorance is an important political tool for authoritarians and the Republicans are expert in its use. They are funneling the next generation right down the skibidi toilet.

Crunchy Frog

(28,143 posts)
51. It's what the dictatorship and its mob demand.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:05 PM
Sep 16

I knew the name and could recognize the face, and knew he was a RW shit talker, but not much more than that, and he wasn't anyone that I ever thought about.

Jimvanhise

(537 posts)
52. HE BOASTED HIS OWN RECOGNITION
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:08 PM
Sep 16

Kirk dined with Donald Trump and thereby got more recognition. His Turning Point organization was so successful that he left an estate worth $14 million. But he apparently had his limits and refused to associate with Nick Fuentes who was anti-semitic and a Holocaust denier and there is video of him attempting to crash Charlie Kirk appearances and being turned away. But it took Charlie Kirk years to become as well known as he was. There are still questions about how serious he was because he made a lot of money off the backs of racists and white supremacists but did he really believe all of the crap he said about blacks or did it just make for good television?

Coldwater

(476 posts)
53. The first time I heard then name Charlie Kirk was in December 2020
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:09 PM
Sep 16

The first time I heard then name Charlie Kirk was in December 2020, He announced the Turning Point USA End-of-the Year Gala at Mar-a-Lago. During that week there were 15,000 new cases of Covid-19 reported in Florida and they were expecting 5000 students to attend the party.

The press was calling it a super-spreader event.

What I found most appalling was that the party was held in deference to the Covid-19 death earlier in the year of Turning Point USA co-founded Bill Montgomery.

IronLionZion

(50,221 posts)
55. Republicans are using his death for their own gain, to advance their agenda
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:16 PM
Sep 16

They love promoting and amplifying their BS through all media channels. This was just the latest excuse. You can tell since their "solutions" are to screw people who had nothing to do with it, like transgender or "the left" or higher education in general.

Nothing about guns. Nothing about reducing their own very violent rhetoric like "civil war" language. Nothing about the extremists on the far right who actually did it. Nope, just scapegoat people they don't like.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,457 posts)
56. They're using a whole NFL stadium for the memorial service.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:18 PM
Sep 16

Next Sunday. Doors open at 8am. Tailgate parties will start around 6am. Wear a red hat.

doc03

(38,572 posts)
58. I think I may have heard his name before. I figured he was another one of the
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:20 PM
Sep 16

countless right wing nut jobs.

Demobrat

(10,237 posts)
60. I didn't know. Now after having read a few of his quotes,
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:27 PM
Sep 16

I’m glad I didn’t. What an ugly man he was.

canetoad

(19,753 posts)
63. The day before the shooting
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:30 PM
Sep 16

I saw the name on DU and looked him up because hadn't heard of him before.

Next morning - all over. I felt like the kiss of death, but in a nice way.

Seeking Serenity

(3,242 posts)
64. People here, who came of age in a very different political time, dismiss this assassination and the reactions to it
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:30 PM
Sep 16

at their peril. This could be a radical game-changer. If you're oblivious to how the younger generations are reacting to this, on TikTok, on livestreams, well, I don't know what to say.

Destiny, a popular left-wing streamer, goes on his stream and says that conservatives ought to be afraid being killed when they go out in public until they convince Trump to tone it down. He said on Piers Morgan's YT show the other day that if conservatives didn't want political violence, they shouldn't have elected Trump (i.e. vote the way I want you to or there'll be violence).

My younger son pointed out that this was the first truly national political assassination since 1968, and I couldn't say he was wrong. He says this feels to him and his friends (IRL and online) that this is huge, and that (his view, not necessarily my own) you can only call your political enemies Nazis, Facists, evil, hateful, punch a Nazi, etc, until other people listening to those messages to internalise them and say, "Yeah, they are. If no one else is going to do something about it, I will."

People and circumstances change. It's a republic "if you can keep it." Right now, WE, people on the left and the right, aren't doing a very good job of keeping it right now. (And save the "It's not the left! All of it is only coming from the right" bit. It's just not true, and only the blind partisan cannot see.)

Just my (and my son's) opinion. Flame me as you will, IDC.

fujiyamasan

(821 posts)
97. Not all comes from the right
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 01:51 AM
Sep 17

But a vast majority sure does. Most domestic terrorism over the last two decades or more has come from the right. Do you need the stats?

More disturbingly, while a vast majority of Dems continue to decry and condemn political violence, we see one side increasingly call for retribution rather than calling for calm.

But feel free to both-sider this and encourage your son to do so if you want.




Diraven

(1,717 posts)
66. Because they're turning him into a MAGA martyr
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:33 PM
Sep 16

It's actually a feature that not many people know him. Because most people will just hear that he was a wonderful Christian family man brutally murdered by a leftist trans-loving assassin hired by the evil Democrats. All the nasty things he said that most people would likely find abhorrent can just be swept under the rug.

mnhtnbb

(32,957 posts)
68. Young voters swung from Biden to Trump
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:40 PM
Sep 16

in a big way in 2024. I was shocked to see the actual voter breakdown.

In almost every swing state, young voters showed their political power : NPR https://www.npr.org/2024/11/07/g-s1-33331/unpacking-the-2024-youth-vote-heres-what-we-know-so-far

I had no idea before Kirk was shot who he was. I'm beginning to finally understand the effect he may have had in influencing college age students to vote for Trump.

LeftInTX

(34,007 posts)
86. Other influencers are his granddaughter, Kai Trump and son Barron.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:24 PM
Sep 16

Kai is a real cutie, has fun videos, she's likeable, she's relatable, so people don't think of her as a "Trump". One of her videos is "We tried everything at Dunkin Donuts" ...People like those kind of videos. (Unless they don't like donuts)

She had a big influence on TikTok with young people and helped Trump's image from old stale, boogie man to someone they felt they could relate to.




Kai Trump Tells Convention Crowd: ‘He’s Just a Normal Grandpa’
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/us/politics/kai-trump-granddaughter-rnc.html

H2O Man

(78,155 posts)
70. Recommended.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:46 PM
Sep 16

All four of my adult children knew of him. I know that I've either heard his name on a podcast or read it here. So on the day he was shot, when my son told me I had to ask exactly who he was?

muriel_volestrangler

(105,103 posts)
71. Poll: Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA second-most watched conservative platform in Alabama behind Fox News
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:46 PM
Sep 16
The poll found that Fox News was the overwhelming favorite, with 59.5% of the vote. Next was Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA at 23.2%, followed by Tucker Carlson's show at 23.1% and then Newsmax at 21.4%.

https://1819news.com/news/item/poll-charlie-kirk-turning-point-usa-second-most-watched-conservative-platform-in-alabama-behind-fox-news


from 1295 Q2 2025 interviews by YouGov - 63% had heard of him: https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/explore/public_figure/Charlie_Kirk

That is the same as, say, Benicio del Toro, Sean Astin, Chris Elliot, Carly Rae Jepsen, or Joe Manchin.

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,496 posts)
76. Alabama --
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:06 PM
Sep 16

Also famous for having one of the lowest rates of adult literacy and the highest rates of gun deaths.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,103 posts)
79. Well, I hope you weren't thinking that it is the well-educated and those with few guns
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:14 PM
Sep 16

who are wailing about him.

The point is that, yes, he was well known on the right. It's hard to think of an unelected activist on the left who was as well known. Who would you say is the best known left wing unelected activist (ie not counting people better known for doing something else, just for their political activity)?

hadEnuf

(3,445 posts)
73. They are paying tribute thanks to right wing money.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:52 PM
Sep 16

Many monied MAGATs have an interest in turning Kirk into a martyr and the left into the fall guy.

Anything that has a big audience with a lot of conservatives is a target for the Trump poisoning.

pfitz59

(12,015 posts)
75. Head recruiter for Twitler Youth. AKA Turning Point
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:59 PM
Sep 16

The 'Ghislaine Maxwell' of MAGA youth. Lure them in with rock star type rallies, then fill their heads with racist tropes. Truly an evil chode.

barbtries

(30,921 posts)
78. I found out earlier this year on BlueSky.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:12 PM
Sep 16

he was if anything a minor celebrity. what he had was a large number of radicalized young men; people who were radicalized by people such as he and others like him.

the sole reason that krasnov and company are making it such a big deal is for the propaganda they can generate and catapult around it. most magats don't know who the fuck he is either.

ETA why legacy media is jumping on the krasnov propaganda train is another story. it is not flattering to said media to think that they have capitulated and agreed to be the state's weapon in order to destroy democracy and be part of the autocracy. I gave them up some time ago and stick to Independent Media primarily now.

Dentbla

(22 posts)
81. agree
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:16 PM
Sep 16

I had no idea who he was, but the way the news initially came out, I assumed he was a republican holding an office.
Then I researched and read several of his thoughts and quotes and thought wtf. How did he survive this long?

muriel_volestrangler

(105,103 posts)
82. Well enough known for South Park to lampoon him
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:17 PM
Sep 16
A South Park episode making fun of right-wing activist and Donald Trump ally Charlie Kirk, who was shot dead on Wednesday while speaking at a US event, has been pulled from Comedy Central but remains on Paramount+.

Trey Parker and Matt Stone's long-running animated sitcom regularly lampoons leading figures including the US president.

The episode, titled Got a Nut, premiered on 6 August and finds the character Clyde Donovan espousing offensive views on a podcast. He then sets up a table at South Park Elementary school in order to "destroy woke liberal students", inviting his classmates to grab the microphone and prove him wrong.
...
In the episode, another South Park character, Eric Cartman, later fights with Donovan and takes his seat while wearing an outfit and hairstyle similar to Kirk.

Donovan is ultimately awarded the "Charlie Kirk Award for Young Master Debaters."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2500p3qjyo

EYESORE 9001

(29,258 posts)
89. Perhaps 3 months ago
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:33 PM
Sep 16

I’d heard the name bandied about, but had no idea what he looked like. I watched a couple of so-called debates where he got his ass handed to him. Gish gallop is so passé.

LearnedHand

(5,091 posts)
95. I knew of him
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 11:47 PM
Sep 16

Some of the folks behind the Find Out Podcast implemented an organized effort to show up at his college campuses and counter-debate him. I knew of him long before that as well through a number of articles about his influence and xtian dominionist messaging.

Greybnk48

(10,639 posts)
96. I didn't know who he was although I thought the name sounded familiar.
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 01:31 AM
Sep 17

When i saw his picture after the shooting, I can honestly say I had never seen him before.

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