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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs November typically a good time to start a big construction project?
It seems to me to be the absolute *worst* possible time, in terms of one, weather, and two, holidays.
Why the rush?
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				MiHale
(12,311 posts)Heres hoping he never sees it halfway done.
Redleg
(6,708 posts)If I couldn't laugh I believe I would cry.
BigMin28
(1,790 posts)wants his throne room done in time for July 4th, 2026.
unblock
(55,743 posts)ananda
(33,809 posts)yup
Johonny
(24,953 posts)Always to be raised funds against...
This is about laundering money, a lot of money.
yardwork
(68,434 posts)I suspect it's a way to launder money Trump has extorted from people whose names are in the Epstein files.
Trump can hide money easily, but many of his "donors" (blackmail targets) need a plausible reason to be giving him a lot of money. 
Hekate
(100,007 posts) 
 Redleg
(6,708 posts)I hope to live long enough to see this nation wipe every last trace of that revolting piece of shit from our sight. I mean having a truth and reconciliation level de-Trumpification of this country.
Baitball Blogger
(51,308 posts)The Epstein files are around the corner. Once they're released, the damage to the White House will be the last straw for the 37% that support him.
Redleg
(6,708 posts)They seem to be adept and making excuses for his in-excusable actions.
Baitball Blogger
(51,308 posts)Circulating a photo of the White House with the Trump sign on the top.
I have a theory about laughing under duress. I think those who have suffered trauma should use it to help them overcome their trauma. But, unfortunately, scoundrels use it too to avoid accepting responsibility for the damage they do.
Redleg
(6,708 posts)All they seem to care about is "owning the libs" so anything Trump does is fine with them.
AZJonnie
(1,986 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 23, 2025, 04:39 PM - Edit history (1)
I believe there is no administration-threatening panacea to be had in any Epstein Files release at this time, because Trump directly controls whatever is going to be released.  There is no way any Epstein Files release will include incriminating stuff about Dear Leader while he is POTUS and the DoJ is under his thumb.  Not to mention, if there was any iron-clad evidence about serious IQ47 misdeeds in those files, it would have leaked.  Also, I believe SOME victim or witness would have publicly said something about his involvement by now.  
The sole progenitor of the "Epstein was passing victims around to his rich friends" conspiracy theory, the late Virginia Guiffre, specifically testified she knew nothing of any Trump misdeeds around Epstein, never saw him or heard from others he was at the estate at the time.  And even she said she didn't know of any other victims being abused by anyone other than JE/VG at their behest, only herself  
 
If we wanted these files released, we should have lobbied for it to happened immediately after Maxwell's 2022 trial, or in the future if Dem's are ever allowed to take back the White House.  Now is not the time.  The Epstein Files if released under IQ47 will be Fitzmas, Russiagate, and the Steele Dossier rolled up into one colossal nothing-burger, and we will collectively look like fools, hollering about cover-ups like JFK and 9/11 conspiracy theorists.  
As I've often shared, I think what he's scared about is that he tried to blackmail Epstein over his teen-f***ing because Epstein knew he was laundering money for the Russians.  I think that is what that birthday card was.  A thinly veiled blackmail threat, i.e. you keep my secrets, and I'll keep yours.  I think he was relieved when it came out and nobody picked up on what it really was because they're so caught up in the pedo-Trump mindset.
MHO, fwiw.
Edit:  One more thing is that I think Maxwell knows exactly what that birthday note was actually meant to convey.  Which is why she was transferred to cushy digs right around the time it was released to the public.  Epstein knew Orangina was laundering Russian money in Florida in the early 2000's, and therefore so does Maxwell.
Edit 2:  I think that b-day note, released by Murdoch's rag, don't forget, was a textbook "limited hangout".
yardwork
(68,434 posts)Phone conversation to person with wealth and/or power: 
"Listen, we found your name in the Epstein files. I know, I know. You had nothing to do with him. The Democrats probably put your name in here. But listen, I'm under a lot of pressure to release these files...I know. I wonder if we could come to an agreement. I've got this big beautiful ballroom I'm building for the American people. Yeah, people have been begging me for this, with tears in their eyes. I can make it happen. Could you donate, I don't know, a couple hundred million and/or make sure the government stays shut down and/or give Jared some more money and/or put some pressure on Zelensky...."
With these people the simplest answer is usually what's going on. Trump has always grifted, blackmailed, and laundered money. 
Baitball Blogger
(51,308 posts)But it also wouldn't surprise me if there is a video or photo out there with Trump engaged in sexual acts with a child.
yardwork
(68,434 posts)I've been in online conversations with some Trump supporters. They think the ballroom is a wonderful "gift to the American people" and they claim to believe that Obama did worse. They think Obama constructed a $500m indoor basketball court, for instance.
It's actually appalling what Trump supporters believe. The opposite of the truth in every possible way. 
Baitball Blogger
(51,308 posts)what Obama and what Trump is doing.
It should come down to pictures, because the visual evidence will be something that their pee-brains can't seem to fathom.
Mysterian
(6,049 posts)There are millions of very stupid humans. Sane and decent people must not assume the crazies will abandon the craziness. Sane and decent people must take action to save their country. Too many sane and decent people are on the sidelines as spectators.
Baitball Blogger
(51,308 posts)Some of them are beginning to see the light, one scandal at a time.
Ping Tung
(3,943 posts)uncle ray
(3,282 posts)and neither is quality of construction.
Starbeach
(259 posts)That's all. He may have thought this a distraction but it will become a permanent crisis.
Norbert
(7,425 posts)Krasvov will just say this, if he hasn't said it already. Everybody will fall in place for him.
WhiskeyGrinder
(25,915 posts)RandomNumbers
(18,964 posts)then I guess yes.
JI7
(92,866 posts)while he is still in office and before he dies.
And he probably has plans for other changes and wants to make everything a monument to himself.   
Ms. Toad
(37,928 posts)It isn't about getting the ballroom up, it was about tearing the east wing down.  Remember the trash bags being thrown from a window, and the threat not long after that to do irreversible things? 
Tearing it down when there was even less chance than usual that someone would stop him was always the plan.
yardwork
(68,434 posts)Sculptures, paintings, furniture - beautiful historic objects that represent our nation's history. 
He's probably sold or traded them for money and favors. He stole top secret documents and got away with it. Why would he hesitate to steal a Remington statue? 














