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Fucking flintlock muskets. That's basically the only type of firearm a person could acquire when the 2nd amendment was written.
Ruminate on that for a moment.
A gun that fires a single round, that requires no less than a minute to reload another SINGLE round. With ammunition that consists of a heavy ball that most likely stops in the first body it hits.
I've fired a flintlock before...the recoil damn near knocks you on your ass and you can't even see the target you've just fired at through all the smoke. Reloading takes forever and a great amount of skill...I'm glad I never had to reload one of those things in a war.
The authors of the Constitution had no idea of the technology of the future, and I can bet they never envisioned the "right" for anyone to acquire guns that can fire several rounds in a few seconds, with a single bullet being able to cut through several bodies before stopping.
That's why the founding fathers made the Constitution a living document...they knew it would have to change with the times.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)That's why we should be allowed to own fully-automatic machine guns, grenade launchers, anti-aircraft missiles, tanks, artillery, etc.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)- I would be a slave
- Only rich white males could vote
How far back do you want to take the originalism?
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)intaglio
(8,170 posts)The rights to life and liberty are in the Constitution; but there is still capital punishment, imprisonment and restrictions on travel.
Slavery is covered by the Constitution but the inequity that caused slavery was amended.
The right to bear arms is in the Bill of Rights as is the right to free speech; both are open to amendment and also to reasonable legislation regarding them. Free speech is abridged; you cannot issue slander without sanction and you cannot incite treason or racial hatred; the right to bear arms is also abridged - try walking into a courtroom with a concealed weapon if you are not part of the security of the Court.
In the cases of both free speech and the right to keep and bear arms the technology has changed and legislation has changed with them. It is now regarded as illegal to incite treason against the USA from without the USA - even if you are a US citizen. Equally it is seen as unreasonable to permit child pornography over the internet.
Only in the case of gun rights do advocates for the gun industry scream for both "original intent" and "unchanging interpretation" and ignore the right (not enshrined in the Constitution) to live without fear, either that imposed upon them by those who bear arms or the fears incited by the manufacturers to sell their weapons.
needledriver
(836 posts)Where?
Could you please point this out to me? I haven't been able to find it.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,456 posts)and it was a twenty shot repeater.
I know, picky, picky, picky
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Repeater to the general populace? How expensive was it, etc? Doesn't seem it was too available since I don't recall it being use to a great extent in those times.
I mean, I could go buy an F-1 racecar if i could afford it, but...
Brother Buzz
(36,456 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)It was pretty late when I wrote this, so please excuse my not recognizing your joke
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intaglio
(8,170 posts)Lost pressure pretty rapidly (even without firing), was mechanically so complex that jamming was a given and was so expensive that only governments and wealthy sponsors could afford to have them.
Yes, very picky. C- try again.
jody
(26,624 posts)world wide wally
(21,751 posts)we did have enemies. Mainly the British.
Moral of the story... If you want an assault weapon, join the standing Army.
missionkam
(9 posts)A citizenry able to form a ready militia was to serve as a localized defense & as a counter to the power of a standing army. Read the writings of the period, and of the people involved and less media talking points.
-Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.
safeinOhio
(32,713 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)one or more lines of guns each firing a fusillade and when everyone had their shot rush in with a bayonet charge. There was rarely enough time to reload, even if they had reloaders behind the lines working their asses off.
Cannon was more useful, and at close range it was bayonets and swords. Not much different from olden days with pikes and swords.
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)Ferguson's luck ran out at Kings Mountain or things might have been different, for us (US). Precussion conversioned muskets weren't even invented until 1833 for the military.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)- granted they couldn't keep that rate of fire up for very long, but they didn't need to because after several volleys, you went after the enemy with your bayonet. Poorer trained troops could still fire twice a minute. I've fired both a Brown Bess type musket and a rifled musket and while the recoil was there it wasn't that bad. It certainly didn't knock me on my ass.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)That 'the restrictions, no matter how strongly marked on paper, will never be regarded when opposed to the decided sense of the public'.
James Madison
Get We the people to agree that infringments are necessary, and, just like with the militia clause, the 2nd once again won't hold much weight.