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RockRaven

(18,472 posts)
2. As it always was going to be: the story isn't what is in the Epstein files, the story is
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 02:59 PM
Tuesday

THE COVER-UP.

Keep your eyes on the ball. Stay focused. The cover-up is the story. The cover-up is the usable material.

senseandsensibility

(24,078 posts)
3. Massie is doing a great job of staying on message
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:04 PM
Tuesday

With every answer, he points to a coverup. Dems need to do that too, so that people know that whatever is eventually released is not the full picture.

newdeal2

(4,524 posts)
4. Sounds like the Epstein estate has the other side of these email exchanges
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:06 PM
Tuesday

So there is another source to fact check whatever Trump’s DOJ releases.

WSHazel

(618 posts)
8. Which makes it very risky for Bondi and Patel to redact anything
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:31 PM
Tuesday

If they get caught once, Trump is toast. Would you trust those two not to screw this up?

AZJonnie

(2,368 posts)
9. Do we know for a fact that the Epstein Estate is in possession of the pristine/complete versions of Epstein's emails?
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:59 PM
Tuesday

People seem to make that presumption, but have representatives of the Estate themselves claimed/confirmed that they are in possession of untouched copies of these emails? Or is it more like we're determining that is the case through some sort of triangulation that points to that likelihood? Obviously I don't know either way (or I would not be asking lol) but I think it's an interesting question because it could very well define the scale of "coverup" that would be possible for Bondi to put forth, in actual practice

Arazi

(8,612 posts)
11. I doubt the Epstein Estate has all of them but it will only take one fabrication
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 04:36 PM
Tuesday

For that ploy to blow apart. Just one fabricated email would light the conspiracy theories on fire and not to the benefit of Traitor.

We know that defense attorneys for these young women have some of them.

And I’d bet my ass that at least one or two of the 1000+ FBI/DOJ folks who worked on that project, kept a copy.

newdeal2

(4,524 posts)
13. Unknown but they clearly have a lot
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 05:35 PM
Tuesday

The other folks mentioned (Clinton, Summers, etc) also presumably have copies of their contact with Epstein.

Doesn’t mean Trump can’t or won’t mess around with other evidence, but it’s going to be high risk stuff with his incompetent loyalists running the show.

AZJonnie

(2,368 posts)
14. Well yeah that's another point, every email should be presumed to exist on at least 2 servers
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:45 PM
Tuesday

unless it's internal email. Which is why I thought the accusations of Hillary "scrubbing" her email server back in the day was such a freaking joke of a complaint by the wingnuts. You can't make them go away by eliminating them from only 1 of the (at least) 2 servers, and ANY IT staff in the world knows that's the case, so there's no chance they'd have cleaned up the email server with that goal in mind. It's just a dumb concept.

Thanks

karynnj

(60,696 posts)
15. True, but the vote was for the DOJ files
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:19 PM
Tuesday

Those include everything from FBI files and interviews and materials from his house.

What is out now are the emails obtained from the Epstein estate from his emails.

To me, it seems likely that the DOJ files will have more on illegal acts. Epstein's emails will show who stayed close to him and their interactions. I would bet very few are about his sex ring and his relations with young girls.

I also think the money trail, which Wyden is investigating might be the best tool to define his illegal businesses.

malaise

(291,413 posts)
6. No one will buy their shit
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:11 PM
Tuesday

It cannot be both only Dems and in their ReTHUG words “a Democrat(ic) hoax”

BannonsLiver

(20,134 posts)
12. It's pretty easy to read between the lines on this one.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 04:56 PM
Tuesday

First Trump reverses course. Now the senate is poised to quickly pass it. Something is amiss.

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