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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWho is doing anything to protect Epstein's survivors from very rich, powerful and well-connected men?
Has anyone stepped up or they on their own?
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dlk
(13,047 posts)I meant more along the lines of protection from all of the threats.
rampartd
(3,143 posts)these girls have probably been undergoing a series of "suicides" back for years.
that many fertile women also indicate a few abortions may have been statistically inevitable.
on edit, maybe they don't abort, maybe there are scores of little epsteins, trumps, etc like the 'boys from Brazil"
FakeNoose
(39,601 posts)Epstein doesn't have any heirs, just his brother and a woman (supposedly a girlfriend) who split the lion's share of his estate. But the court set aside a large portion for victims, so they aren't defenseless.
AZJonnie
(2,368 posts)150 victims were paid about $121M from the Epstein Estate after his death, but it was not set aside by a court. There were many lawsuits pending, so the Estate caved before the actual suits hit to keep them from going to discovery (presumably). Or maybe his brother is just a much more decent guy than Jeffrey
The disbursements were low-6-digits to low-7-digits per victim. About 75 applicants were rejected for not meeting the "criteria". I have to say, I'd be QUITE interested to see the documentation on how they made the decisions on "who to pay what". I wonder what the "minimum standard" was? Seems like it'd be quite a valuable trove of information, those "applications" they looked at, no?
And then a large group of victims (estimated, but not known for sure, to be around 200 claimants) settled a class action suit for $290,000,000 against JPMC in 2023 (iirc). The attorneys collected a tidy $90,000,000 for themselves. There was discovery, but in the end, it did not go to court. This money is also being disbursed according to severity of the abuse by a Claims Administrator named Simone Lelchuk, so one would again expect the most severely impacted victims to receive multiple millions of dollars here. Again, what do the applications say/claim, I wonder?
Thus, the large majority of the victims, in particular the ones who would be most "in the know", are now (deservedly) multi-millionaires. Which means they thankfully should able to pay for security.
The US Virgin Islands has also received a similar amount from Epstein Estate, and about $75M from JPMC in a separate suit. And $10,000,000 of the money won by the USVI is earmarked to pay for mental health care for the victims.
This brings the total known payout over the allegations against Epstein/Maxwell to about $525,000,000. And there are no doubt more huge suits coming, against every financial outfit that ever serviced an Epstein account for any purpose. The lawyers will be dipping in this well for as long as the dipping is good.
Interestingly, not one single allegation in any of these suits ever had to be proven in a court of law, unless evidence from the DoJ's Maxwell trafficking case (which delivered exactly one charge of trafficking, from Maxwell to Epstein, proven of course) was part of the filing. FWIW.
FakeNoose
(39,601 posts)Very few of these girls ever told their parents or another trusted adult.
Some may have seen a doctor? I don't know.
AZJonnie
(2,368 posts)Or, their lawyers, probably more accurately? One thing that's been described in the past were pics of females in various stages of undress, with names attached (though I dunno if it's been specifically stated any of these were his underage victims, but it seems like maybe?). Were there records of what girls were paid how much, kept by Epstein, and used to decide how much to pay them out? What exactly does the Estate HAVE that let them corroborate victims accounts, I wonder?
Another question I've never seen answered is this one: We know there's some large number of victims, for example this 150 women who were paid out by the fund. But what percentage of them were under 18 when abuse started?
It seems like "people in general" hear a number like that and automatically interpret that to mean 150 minors, but in fact, there was no age limit on awards, it was open to anyone who claimed they were sexually abused by Epstein at any time in the past, of any age at the time (as it should have been!).
We do know that "age" was a factor in the AMOUNTS awarded (that's documented), but everything about the demographics/personal accounts, or who was paid what, is all confidential. I'm not saying only the minors matter (of course!), but I do think it's interesting that there's no real "official" number of how many were minors.
When I inquired, AI was able to find me 6 names, which are Virginia R, "Jane" (actually believed to be Sarah R.), Carolyn A., Annie F., Jennifer A. & Nadia M. (the last names are known but I'm redacting them here), that definitively claimed they were minors when abuse started, one more "possibly a minor" in Johanna S., and then "multiple" Jane Does ID'd in various documents over time (unknown if any such Jane Doe's were later ID'd as one of the 6-7 definitely known ones).
Obviously even 1 is too many (!) but I do wonder when I see a number like 150, or the "over 1000" claimed in the PSA (which is almost 7 times the number awarded $ by the Estate), how many were minors? At this point in time, it appears there's 6 confirmed and identified, one that's a maybe, and "multiple" Jane Does.
I feel like this is an important piece of the puzzle because IMHO the overall "case" somewhat changes if minors were a distinct minority of the 150 (who were paid out) vs a significant majority being minors. Not in terms of despicable, immoral wrongness, but just more generally "what was really going on with the whole thing" if that makes sense?