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Baitball Blogger

(51,511 posts)
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 12:00 AM Wednesday

Another reason to tax the rich. Someone just paid more than 236 million dollars for a painting.

Klimt's 'Portrait of Elisabeth Lederer' goes for $236.4 million, becoming priciest modern artwork ever auctioned

Gustav Klimt's "Portrait of Elisabeth Lederer" sold for an astonishing $236.4 million Tuesday, making it the most expensive auction sale of a work of modern art.

The price also means it is the second-most-valuable work of art that has crossed an auction block.

The sale Tuesday at Sotheby's came from one of the most anticipated art sales in the last several years: the private art collection of Leonard Lauder, the philanthropist, cosmetics heir and legendary collector who helped shape American museums — much like his mother, Estée Lauder, shaped beauty culture as a giant of cosmetics.

The pieces in Tuesday's sale fetched more than a half a billion dollars, with Sotheby's still working to confirm a final number Tuesday night — and with 30 more lots to be auctioned Wednesday, a spokesperson said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/leonard-lauders-400-million-legacy-comes-auction-rcna244421

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TheProle

(3,843 posts)
12. During the era of this painting, he was doing fine.
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 02:40 PM
Wednesday

The turn of the 20th century up to his death were quite successful.

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DFW

(59,432 posts)
5. I don't see that as a reason to tax the rich
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 05:24 AM
Wednesday

Whoever bought the painting did it openly at an auction, so the invoice will be paid by check or wire with funds of traceable origin. Auction houses like Sotheby's, Heritage and Christie’s have compliance legal staff to make sure they never get unwittingly involved in money-laundering schemes.

A painting sold in NYC will net considerable sales taxes for the city and state of New York. Lauder is well-known for his philanthropy, so there is every reason to believe the net payment to Lauder (after Sotheby’s takes their cut) will go towards charitable causes. What would some bureaucrat do? Tax the painting proportionately and cut out 37% of it with a pocket knife? After all these years in Europe, and seeing how career bureaucrats can mess up people’s lives by inventing and enforcing useless rules, hiding behind “das ist Gesetz (it’s the law)!,”—like we haven’t heard THAT before in Germany—I’m fine with how this went down. Someone with $236 million in legitimate money just donated it, spreading it around, and just got a painting in return. Better the money goes that way than to some governmental bureaucratic Enteigner who says he knows better than anyone else how to spend it, though you have no right to ask details.

A couple of years ago, Heritage auctioned off a gold Nobel Prize medal won by a dissident Russian. The proceeds were designated in advance to go to help Ukrainians. Heritage arranged in advance for any buyer to wire directly to the Ukrainians, in order not to be forced to endanger the identity of the buyer by having the proceeds flow through them. The buyer was an anti-Putin Russian living outside of Russia. I don’t know his or her name, obviously. The buyer paid over $100,000,000 for the medal, and, due to the charitable designation for the proceeds, Heritage also made their charitable contribution by taking zero commission from either buyer or seller. At $100 million, I wonder if they were feeling so charitable afterward!! Even 2% would have been a chunk of change, though if you want to talk chunks of change, Sotheby’s probably netted around 20%, or over $45 million, from the painting. There’s charity, and then there’s charity.

Baitball Blogger

(51,511 posts)
6. Thank you for the information.
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 06:23 AM
Wednesday

So, I guess, as long as the money goes to a good cause, that kind of inflated price is acceptable. Who am I to question how the world of the rich works.

Truthfully, the art world is vulnerable to these criticisms, because it does seem to be the go to choice for money launderers. But in this case, I yield to your greater knowledge.

DFW

(59,432 posts)
7. I know practically zip about art. My grandmother used to support some living artists in the 1950s and 1960s
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 09:56 AM
Wednesday

I know a tiny bit about some of it mostly because of one of the three major auction houses being in Dallas, although their art department is dust in the wind compared to Sotheby’s, who had a 250 year head start.

Transparency in tracking funds has done a 180° in the last two decades, and it’s no longer a snap for Russian mafiosi or cocaine cartels to hide and/or launder money there. I know that Heritage was extremely careful to be 100% above board with the Nobel prize medal, and that was a charity affair.

A cousin of mine used to be on the tax court in New York. There, too, the big players were forced to take many anti-laundering measures that ate into some potential profits.

I had superficial contact with the world of modern art as a teenager. One of my grandmothers, who lived in NYC, the one fired by Mayor Laguardia as labor liason for being “too friendly with labor,” was friendly with some “modern” artists of her day. One was a Ticinese from Switzerland named Alberto Giacometti. She had a couple of his smaller bronze sculptures in her apartment. When she died in 1966, one of my cousins wanted one of those bronzes, but it was assessed at $16,000, and his parents couldn’t afford the $8000 estate tax it would have cost to keep it. Sotheby’s, as a matter of fact, sold it at auction in 1967 for $25,000. My cousin was probably ill when it came up for auction again in 2007 and brought $4 million. My grandmother bought her “collection” from living artists she knew and supported. She was never a part of a world of gazillion dollar paintings, although in the mid sixties, a couple hundred dollars for a painting or a bronze sculptures seemed like a fortune to me.

Until my dad once introduced me to Nelson Rockefeller (his beat was covering goings-on in DC affecting Great Lakes states), I never even met someone with THAT kind of wealth. It was difficult for me to grasp. He seemed a nice enough guy to me, but what did I know? He was probably just a kid or a teenager while his dad was ruining New Jersey’s chances of ever having a European-style commuter rail system, so that everyone would need to buy his oil.

The thing is, I get the impression that the huge wealth inequality won’t be alleviated by doing a wholesale Nazi-style Enteignung, because the guys most deserving of it have long known that they’d be targets sooner or later, and made arrangements. I thought the scheme of guys like Musk and Bezos was genius in its simplicity. Build up a huge company and own massive amounts of stock in it. Then borrow against the stock at whatever rate you decide to charge yourself. Nothing has been sold, so no taxable profits have been generated. And yet, you are rolling in massive quantities of legal cash. If just ONE of those guys had been working on the Senate Finance Committee instead of for himself, thirty years ago, and slipped it into law that such a scheme was illegal, no one would even been able to get started with it when stock portfolios of one’s own company became worth tens or hundreds of billions. They were always steps ahead because they had an incentive to do it. We need the same creativity in Congress, or we’ll always be a step behind. Sharper minds than mine are needed. I want not just Jon Ossoff in the Senate. I want a couple of dozen Jon Ossoffs in the Senate. Not just dedication, but the smarts to go with it. I still believe that with four back-to-back terms of a Democrat in the White House and a benevolent Congress, we can again balance the budget. We have some serious damage control to do, and I fear it will take the better part of the first term of the next Democratic president just to address that. But I think it CAN be done. But with new solutions. Not because the old ones were necessarily wrong, but because those people who have the most to lose already took pre-emptive measures. THAT is why we, both as a party and a country, need to get creative rather than reactive or vindictive. Here in Germany, the left foolishly tried to introduce a wealth tax, like the hated ones in place in France, Belgium and Holland. Why foolish? Because after the National Socialists used one target you-know-who, the post-war German constitution expressly forbade double taxation. If you have money that has been taxed, no matter how much it is, no government can step in and say, “you have too much, we’re here to take more.” One German pollitician called it a “Neidsteuer,” or a “jealousy tax,” which, during the Nazi era, it pretty much was. When the postwar politicians tried to enact one, and it came before the German supreme court, they nearly rolled their eyes, asking, “what part of no double taxationdid you NOT understand?”

Don’t get me wrong, there IS real income inequality in Germany, too, and if you think OUR bureaucracy is bad, the Europeans could teach us a lesson or two on how to set up a people-unfriendly bureaucracy. But I find, even after the Trump disasters, that creativity and innovation, in the right hands, are what will finally pull us out of the mire.

Abolishinist

(2,846 posts)
8. Speaking of Klimt, Oprah Winfrey sold a Gustav Klimt painting for $150 million in 2016.
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 01:12 PM
Wednesday
The Gustav Klimt Painting Oprah Reportedly Sold for $150M Has Quite a Story

The portrait began with a commission by the husband of the artist's alleged lover, and underwent a Nazi theft, a legal feud and a deal brokered by Larry Gagosian for Winfrey that is likely the biggest private sale of a single artwork in 2016.

The OWN network founder bought "Portrait of Adele Bloch-Bauer II" in 2006 for $87.9 million, but Winfrey decided to sell the painting for $150 million after its value skyrocketed by 71 percent.

Winfrey's recently sold 1912 painting by early 20th century Austrian artist Klimt depicts Adele Bloch-Bauer I, the wife of a rich industrialist from Vienna, according to the MoMA. Nazis stole the painting in 1938 along with other artworks that belonged to the family, and the painting was not returned to the Bloch-Bauer heirs until 2006 following legal battles with the Austrian government.

Those legal battles were translated into the 2015 drama film "Woman in Gold" starring Helen Mirren, about a Jewish refugee, Maria Altmann, who fought the Austrian government to recover the stolen painting of her aunt, Adele Bloch-Bauer I.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/gustav-klimt-painting-oprah-reportedly-sold-150m-has-a-story-974134/

maxsolomon

(37,902 posts)
10. You're assuming they're American
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 01:46 PM
Wednesday

Lots of Rich Fucks all over the globe. This Klimt could be heading to China.

Baitball Blogger

(51,511 posts)
11. Trump crosses borders when it comes to business interactions with billionaires.
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 02:31 PM
Wednesday

I don't for one second that the problems in this country are limited to the greed of American billionaires.

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