Catholic Hospital turns away woman in labor, she gives birth in car..fake pro lifers!

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

Nurse told her that she wasnt dialated enough..they wheeled her out the door. Baby born 8 minutes later in the car. Baby and mom ok, no thx to the fake prolifers

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In a statement, Franciscan Health Crown Point President and CEO Raymond Grady told ABC News that the hospital is investigating the incident.

“We are grateful to learn from online and media reports that both mother and child are reportedly doing well," Grady said. "We understand the concern this has raised. The video is just one part of the information we are reviewing as part of a thorough investigation into this alleged incident."

He added, "While patient privacy laws make it difficult for us to comment more deeply, it is important to note that the videos and the narrative surrounding them do not accurately represent Franciscan Health Crown Point’s Catholic healthcare ministry’s values, which include respect for life, compassionate concern and Christian stewardship. Our goal is to make everyone who walks through our doors feel the love of Christ through our actions."

Family says Indiana hospital discharged mom in labor, leading to roadside birth - ABC News

https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-indiana-hospital-discharged-mom-labor-leading-roadside/story?id=127625638

A husband had to deliver his baby in a truck on the side of the road after Franciscan Health Crown Point in Indiana kicked his pregnant wife out of the hospital due to a lack of cervical progress. The family believes this traumatic experience was preventable and may have been

: r/Minority_Strength https://www.reddit.com/r/Minority_Strength/comments/1oz547t/a_husband_had_to_deliver_his_baby_in_a_truck_on/

[SamuelTheThird]

1. I suspected something so I looked the mother up

Yes, she's not white.....

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

2. "the hospital is investigating the incident."

Translation: they are thoroughly checking every avenue for a loophole.so they can escape blame.

[jaymac]

6. A Great Big YEAH, YEAH,YEAH!

those B*****D's, I hope they have to pay and pay and pay.

[Puppyjive]

3. I see big money on the horizon

They need to pay these people lots of money. And I hope this gets a lot if air time. We need to change these laws.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

4. Victims have lawyers, this hospital will pay

[Bread and Circuses]

5. This makes zero sense..l

It’s quite common for dilation to take longer or for it to stop.At that point, the attending physician will
recommend C-section rather than put the mom and fetus under more stress.

Was she admitted ? How did the nurse know that she wasn’t dilated enough.

This hospital sounds like a hot mess.

[ancianita]

7. Are you saying the fake pro-lifers are the hospitals themselves? or the religion that established them? Because the

headlines of your links don't say that.

In both examples fake pro-lifers are the individuals who made the wrong decisions about the pregnant women -- not the org or religion they belong to. Reread the report. The very fact that

In a statement, Franciscan Health Crown Point President and CEO Raymond Grady told ABC News that the hospital is investigating the incident

means that they are trying to understand the "mistake" of the individual nurse. But your headline provokes a distorted implication about Catholics.

In the second example, some individual in that hospital decided on the pregnant woman's discharge instead of weighing her risks over the hospital's costs.

What those individuals decided that hurt those women was likely influenced by Indiana's or the hospital's culture. Those individuals prioritized the culture over their hospital's guidance. But they might not have if they'd known what would happen with those women afterward. But it's still on them. Possibly the hospitals are liable for those individuals' decisions, too. It's not clear in the report where the buck stopped.

[SocialDemocrat61]

8. Anti-Catholic bigotry still exists in this country

and even here on DU despite democrats such as Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and AOC all being Catholic.

[The Revolution]

14. The problem is when it comes to healthcare

There is a huge problem with Catholic control of the healthcare system. Catholic hospitals are the only option in many areas. Then they want to stand between patients and their doctors and dictate what can and cannot be done, especially when it comes to anything related to a woman's reproductive system.

This drives providers away and makes getting healthcare even harder:
https://www.obgynpower.com/blog/how-the-catholic-hospital-in-mason-city-ia-drove-out-its-obgyns-by-forcing-them-to-stop-performing-tubals-and-discriminate-against-lesbians

I know there are a lot of Democrats who are Catholic, but my question is: why? Why are you part of a church if you don't agree with their stance on fundamental principals, like the right to health care, reproductive rights, right to marriage and LGBTQ rights, etc?

Democrats may be Catholic, but I don't think they should be. That church has inflicted (and continues to inflict) so much pain. I don't understand the praise the last couple Popes have gotten on here when they aren't even close to progressive on the issues that we are supposed to care about.

[SocialDemocrat61]

15. Thanks for proving my point!

Have a nice day!

[The Revolution]

16. It's not bigotry to be opposed to an organization

That actively harms people and opposes us on the issues we care about. My problem is with the church and its actions, not individual people. Though I would challenge them to consider if it really makes sense to be part of such an organization.

This is like saying there is anti-NRA bigotry or anti-Proud Boys bigotry on DU.

[SocialDemocrat61]

17. Thanks again

For proving my point.

[The Revolution]

19. How childish

Don't play stupid games. If you don't want to discuss an issue then don't bring it up. I'm through wasting my time.

Here's some fun emojis yay!

[SocialDemocrat61]

20. Have a nice day

And thanks for repeatedly proving my point.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

21. I'm a Catholic

and agree with you completely. Some people have no clue what the Catholic organization is all about. Catholic Big Brothers and Big Sisters, Catholic Charities, individual churches that were/are safe havens for many, spiritual counseling, etc, etc. For example, Catholic Charities help people of all religious denominations and atheists as well. Their hospitals have saved countless lives through the years. What some people don't know, is many Catholic hospitals have been sold to secular businesses. I go to one for my hearing aids.

We know all the good and bad about the Catholic church. But many forget just how helpful and life saving its organizations have been, here and worldwide.

EDIT: I started my boxing career in the CYO (Catholic Youth Organization) and it was one of the best things to ever happen in my young life, along with wrestling and music (all taught to me by Catholics).

[SocialDemocrat61]

22. Yes there are good Catholics

and bad Catholics. Just as there are good Jews and bad Jews. Good Muslims and bad Muslims. Demonizing a whole religion IS bigotry but too many are blinded by their own prejudice to see it.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

23. Of course it's bigotry

That's a given. But just like loved ones, we don't have to agree with everything they say or do. I'm in a completely secular hospital for my strokes and polymyositis (Northwestern) and it's killing me. But, that hospital has helped a lot of people in Illinois. It's rated #1. In a perfect world I would have gone to the Cleveland Clinic for the best care in the world, but it didn't happen. But I know Northwestern has helped so many people through the years.

[SocialDemocrat61]

24. Sorry to hear about your illness

Stay strong

[BeerBarrelPolka]

25. Thank you

[Jilly_in_VA]

26. I take issue with your last statement

Joe Biden was Catholic, but he wasn't "pro-life" in the RepoubliKKKan sense. He believed it was all between a woman and her doctor. Tim Kaine, my senator, is pretty much the same. I know a lot of Catholics like that. So don't lump them all in the same category. And the LOUDEST voices in the pro-life camp are the Talibangelicals, not Catholics (excluding the Shady McMaybellines of this world, of course). And Pope Francis and Pope Leo may throw out the "party line" on Abortion, they wer/are both understanding men who, I think, would be understanding of a woman's situation.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

28. The Evangelicals literally loathe the Catholics

They don't think Catholics are Christians.

[Jilly_in_VA]

29. Which has nothing to do with your statement.

Don't try to end run me.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

30. What are you talking about?

I'm on your side here. I'm a Catholic and I take offense to what he's written as well.

[The Revolution]

31. That's exactly my point

Democrats don't agree with the church on this fundamental issue. So why be part of it? They aren't going to change. The last 2 Popes made no attempt to do so.

Meanwhile look at who the church attracts as fresh converts - Newt Gingrich, JD Vance, Candace Owens. If they find it so appealing, why should we?

As far as being "understanding men", I don't think so. Let's look at another reproductive choice issue and see - surrogacy.

https://apnews.com/article/pope-surrogacy-vatican-russia-israel-ukraine-56acaa8500336db81ee18913a77ddc0f

Pope Francis called Monday for a universal ban on what he called the “despicable” practice of surrogate motherhood, as he included the “commercialization” of pregnancy in an annual speech listing threats to global peace and human dignity

This is deeply personal to me because we just had a son born through surrogacy. Why did we do this? Because when our first son was born, my wife had eclampsia and could have died and our son did die. I watched as they put the bumpers on the bed in case my wife started having seizures. I had to watch my son die in front of me. But because of what is a miracle of modern science, we were able to have another son with the help of a surrogate. She made a choice to help us, and I believe women should have the freedom to make whatever reproductive choices they want. Pope Francis didn't believe that. He wasn't understanding of the situation. Instead he thinks we're despicable. I say he can fuck off.

[ancianita]

33. 1. According to recent data, about 15.8% of all short-term acute care hospitals are Catholic-owned or affiliated.

In certain states, over 30% of all beds are in Catholic facilities.

2. Those number disprove your claim of Catholic "control" of healthcare.

3. Prove this. Provide official Catholic links to church doctrine, or provide even reputable source links, or you don't know what you're talking about.

Why are you part of a church if you don't agree with their stance on fundamental principals, like the right to health care, reproductive rights, right to marriage and LGBTQ rights, etc?

4. Prove this with links, or you're spouting unsourced, fact free anti-Catholic bigotry.

That church has inflicted (and continues to inflict) so much pain. I don't understand the praise the last couple Popes have gotten on here when they aren't even close to progressive on the issues that we are supposed to care about.

[The Revolution]

39. The article I provided answes a lot of this

https://www.obgynpower.com/blog/how-the-catholic-hospital-in-mason-city-ia-drove-out-its-obgyns-by-forcing-them-to-stop-performing-tubals-and-discriminate-against-lesbians

Although the hospital was technically Catholic, Dr. Quinn says, “At the time, there were no Catholic restrictions, because the individuals who ran it were cool, the bishop didn’t care, and they could do as many tubals as they wanted.” When she interviewed for the job, she asked about the Catholic Ethical Directives. She says, “I was reassured by administration at that time that nothing would change with women’s health.”

As part of the same Catholic crackdown that affected MercyOne Hospital in Waterloo, Iowa, the upper level administration of the MercyOne corporation, at the direction of the Archbishop of Dubuque, decreed that all activities considered sinful by conservative Catholic theology stop. This included tubal ligations and some infertility procedures.

1 & 2. I didn’t say that they controlled everything, but the fact that they control nearly a third of third of beds some states should be alarming. Those nimbers in fact reinforce what I am saying. Healthcare is a human right, and no institution, be it government or church should be standing between patients and their doctors.

3. https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/abortion/respect-for-unborn-human-life

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law

I think it is pretty well established that the church doesn't recognize same-sex marriage, but here:

https://www.them.us/story/pope-leo-francis-same-sex-blessings-policy

Francis declared in 2023 that Catholic priests may offer blessings to same-sex couples on a “case-by-case” basis, though he still maintained that the Church could not accept such unions as “marriages,”

So separate and unequal. Great. Would most people here today accept a Democratic candidate saying the government would "bless" same-sex unions, but not recognize them as marriages? Maybe 20 years ago, but I doubt many would approve of that now.

4. The article at the top answers this. This isn't some made up story, this is an ongoing issue where I live. My wife went to Dr. Quinn. The crackdown from the church drove her and most of the other OB doctor away. Not to a practice down the street, completely out of the area.

[Crunchy Frog]

36. I make a distinction between individuals who are Catholic,

and the Catholic Church which is an extraordinarily powerful institution that gets away with abusing far too many people.

If pointing that out makes me a bigot in some people's eyes, then so be it.

[SocialDemocrat61]

41. Glad you do

Unfortunately, many don’t.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

10. i'm referring to anti birth control, anti abortion religious hospitals. Catholic or otherwise. FAKE PRO LIFERS

[ancianita]

34. You posted an article without using it to support the header claim. Is there anything in the article that

illustrates your claim? If not, why did you bother to link the article? Or is the article only meant to be an example of your claim? If so, is the link's report a representative example of some kind of doctrinal practice in doctoring in "religious hospitals, Catholic or otherwise"?

Because it's standard practice for hospitals -- religious or otherwise -- to send pregnant women home when they are in early labor, which happens with 30% to 50% of women who go to an obstetrics triage unit of any hospital, religious or otherwise. This happens when labor is not yet "active," meaning the woman is not dilated to at least 6 cm or contractions are not regular and strong enough (typically less than 5 minutes apart). Hospitals send these individuals home to rest and wait for labor to progress, as they are generally healthy and not in immediate danger.

[Crunchy Frog]

35. How does a single individual nurse

have the power to single handedly decide to evict a laboring woman from the hospital?

This seems like a systemic problem rather than an individual act of wrongdoing.

A number of years ago, a Catholic hospital here tried to euthanize my mother's SO while he was there with pneumonia. I will never ever buy any talk of these Catholic run facilities being "pro-life".

[hlthe2b]

9. I know nothing about this hospital and whether or not it has a full obstetrics unit, but increasingly...

I am finding that emergency departments in many city hospitals that specialize in cardiovascular disease and surgeries, and secondarily, trauma, and within a hospital that has neither a pediatric nor an obstetrics department, are woefully inadequate to handle births or pediatric cases. In many cases, this is because a very nearby hospital specializes in one or both, but it is still unacceptable to have staff poorly trained in either. Children are not exactly a different species, yet some physicians seem to think they are treating a great ape, rather than a small human, for which readily available apps and hard-copy formularies are readily available to look up appropriate medication use and dosing. Heaven knows they should be able to get a ready consult if necessary via phone or Zoom call, but...

There is no excuse for what happened in this or any other hospital ER.

[mopinko]

12. they shd b transferred to said nearby hospital.

in a fucking ambulance.

[hlthe2b]

13. Most hospitals TRY to do so, but if it is imminently emergent or the patient/parents refuse, they cannot force

them to transfer. Just as they cannot refuse emergent care to anyone under EMTALA, even while explaining limitations at the current hospital.

This is an issue of having proper staff training in the ERS across the country to be prepared for such eventualities. Simply stating they should transfer is NOT THE ANSWER. Believe me, I know.

[Swede]

11. Reddit comment: As a POC I never in my life felt more uncomfortable than when I visited Indiana. Never again .

nt

[RedWhiteBlueIsRacist]

18. 2000+ years ago, a religion could be spun from this incident.

[Jilly_in_VA]

27. WWJD?

Pretty sure he would not do this. He would summon midwives, or at least the women who traveled with him, make her comfortable, and see that the baby was delivered properly.

[GJGCA]

32. Upthread comment: Catholic hospitals are the only option in many areas.

Tangential query, is that to their credit, discredit, or ...?

[Jack Valentino]

37. LAWSUIT

[Trueblue1968]

38. Sue the hospital. No woman should have to beg. She could have died !!!!! By

[Maru Kitteh]

40. They just made that baby RICH.

Okay not rich, but they should at least be buying somebody a 4-year degree or a modest home.