Come on Dems! Draft articles of impeachment against 47, Vance, the cabinet, and the 6 black-robed traitors.

[pat_k]

They are ALL violating the constitution and multiple laws in plain sight. Impeachment and removal is the remedy.

Draft the articles and make the case in the court of public opinion.

This is a moral imperative. To accuse them of crimes against both the spirit and the letter of the law WITHOUT seeking to impeach is a statement that the crimes do not rise to that level.

We need (1) Sweeping articles of impeachment and (2) A declaration stating the nature of the crimes in SIMPLE language that becomes the foundation for hammering them on their crimes and making the case that impeachment and removal of ALL the perpetrators is the ONLY remedy that meets the magnitude, depth, and breadth of the violations.

When it comes to high crimes, it is CONGRESS, not the courts that pass judgment.

And it starts in the people's house for a reason.

The high crimes are being committed against We the People. Our representatives have a DUTY to act.

[Fiendish Thingy]

1. Articles of impeachment? Now?

How about we take back the house first?

How about fighting to reinstate ACA subsidies first?

There will be plenty of time for impeachment, and the power to actually do something about it, a year from now when Dems take back the house.

Your need for vengeful emotional satisfaction does not outweigh the need for actual governance .

[pat_k]

2. How about we make the case for them? As it is, the accusations have no "teeth"

They are all committing impeachable offenses.
Accusations, without articles of impeachment backed by a clear declaration of the crimes in SIMPLE language, begs the question: If they are really so bad, why aren't you making a case for impeachment? That's the constitutional remedy.

You build political will in the court of public opinion.

And I would bet that the millions who have opted out in hopelessness, believing NO ONE will actually take a REAL stand would be energized in ways that could sweep us to victory. They would be fighting to end our national nightmare ASAP. They would work like hell to make impeachment a reality as the first act of the new democratic Congress

[Fiendish Thingy]

4. Meanwhile, people are suffering, can't afford groceries, healthcare

What an absolute waste of time and political capital.

Once Dems retake the house, I’m all for starting investigations and hearings immediately.

But, like I said, your need for vengeance, especially a quest for vengeance that will ultimately fail, does not outweigh the need for governance.

We need more discipline and maturity than just impulsive foaming at the mouth over the daily outrages and atrocities from this administration.

Think of the first two years of Trump’s first term, and the shift to effective action once Dems won back the house in the 2018 midterms.

[pat_k]

8. What political capital?!!? Do you actually believe there is a way to stop the regime's insanity...

.. short of going all out for the constitutional remedy designed for such a time as this?

And in the process engage people who have opted out because they believe there is no way out.

You think it will be possible to build the political will after the election if all our candidates and electeds remain silent now?

This has nothing to do with "vengeance." It is about high crimes being committed in plain sight and taking a stand for the constitutional remedy those crimes demand.

I can't think of a greater moral imperative.

[Fiendish Thingy]

9. Who said they should remain silent?

Articles of impeachment were already drafted and introduced in congress by Rep. Al Green last spring- did you know that?

Have you heard anything about it since?

Of course not - they were ignored.

I think it is far more important for elected officials to speak out against the specific harms this administration is committing against the people, and demand congress take action to right those wrongs, rather than seek vengeance (and yes it is vengeance, and nothing else, to pursue a meaningless, futile impeachment without a majority).

Do you actually believe there is a way to stop the regime's insanity...

I guess you weren’t paying attention, but This regime has been stopped, and restrained, numerous times, by both the courts and the people.

No troops deployed in Portland or Chicago
Kilmar Garcia is back on American soil
Republicans were crushed in recent elections- a preview of the midterms

I can't think of a greater moral imperative.

I sure as hell can.

Don Quixote couldn’t think of a greater moral imperative than to do battle with a windmill he was sure was a dragon.

Meanwhile, millions of people’s healthcare costs will double or triple in about six weeks.

Wasting time on an An impeachment inquiry that won’t even get scheduled for a floor debate let alone a vote adds insult to the injury these millions will be suffering.

There will be plenty of time, resources, and most importantly, power and authority to pursue impeachment after the midterms.

[meadowlander]

12. That assumes the majority of people hearing those articles would be acting in good faith.

They are not.

It doesn't matter how true the charges are or how beautifully they are presented.

The Trump-Putin cabal has kompromat on enough reps and senators that they will never vote for impeachment or removal.

The only way out is to vote them all out of office.

[mcar]

3. Why? They'd go nowhere.

[pat_k]

6. Can't win so STFU is what got us here. It is why the party as a whole is perceived as WEAK.

Right now, every time a Democrats accuses 47, Vance, the SCOTUS traitors, or any member of the cabinet of crimes against we the people, our constitution, our laws, those accusations are seen as empty words.

If, with every accusation, they were able to say "We have drafted detailed articles of impeachment" and followed up with a few of the simple points from the declaration on the nature of those crimes, we would have a unified, strong, principled, internally consistent position.

They make the case that impeachment is the constitutional remedy in this crisis.

They state the simple truth that their oath DEMANDS they seek the removal of the perpetrators. That when principle demands action, you act, you work like hell, win or lose, because it is a MORAL IMPERATIVE to do everything in their power to make impeachment and removal a reality ASAP.

The crimes are against the people of this nation and our shared values. They are high crimes against us all. The constitutional remedy is impeachment and removal. And more Americans everyday are lobbying their Representative and Senators to join us, because it is the ONLY way to Redeem Our National Soul. To utterly reject this authoritarian take over and the violation of the shared American values that have driven every decent thing this nation has ever accomplished.

What we need now, more than EVER are electeds who will NOT surrender our most sacred principles to "Can't Win, so STFU." We need leaders who tell us they believe in the American people. Leaders who make it clear it is the PEOPLE, not them alone, who will make the impeachment and removal of the corrupt criminals that currently control the executive branch a reality. Leaders who are clear that in drafting these articles, and in making the case to the American people, they are just doing what their oaths, and the constitution, demand of them.

And the thing is, with millions and millions who will also be out there making the case to their friends, families, and neighbors, we COULD make this a reality. If not before 2027, then as the first act of the new Democratic congress in 2027.

It is about letting the people know THEY DO HAVE THE POWER.

"Everyone knew" they would never vote on the Epstein Transparency Act either.

If our party doesn't stop surrendering in advance on matters of fundamental moral principle, it will continue to be perceived as a party full of wet noodles that wouldn't know how to fight on principle if their lives depended on it.

The thing is. Our lives DO depend on it. They've failed to stand and fight, win or lose, too many times. You fight. You lose. You keep fighting. That's how you WIN.

“It's the action, not the fruit of the action, that's important. You have to do the right thing. It may not be in your power, may not be in your time, that there'll be any fruit. But that doesn't mean you stop doing the right thing. You may never know what results come from your action. But if you do nothing, there will be no result.”
― Mahatma Gandhi

[meadowlander]

13. Wasting a lot of time and energy on prosecutions that never went anywhere is also a big part of what got us here

and is also a big factor in why the Dems are perceived as weak.

Is it better to wait for fights you can actually win and be seen as weak in the meantime or to pick a fight you can't possibly win, waste a lot of time and energy and then very publicly and obviously lose just in time for the mid-terms?

[malaise]

14. Kick

Important

[WarGamer]

5. It's already been done... just a few months ago.

Toothless and meaningless... performative legislation.

[pat_k]

7. There is nothing performative about making the case that MUST be made in this crisis.

We have a constitutional remedy. And to be effective as a tool for making that case, it would take a whole hell of a lot more members of the house to co-sponsor and a comms operation to support it. And articles drafted against the ALL of the perpetrators.

There is NO DOUBT that impeachable offenses are being committed in plain sight across the executive branch. Failing to make the case to the American people for impeachment in this crisis is a gross dereliction of duty.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220817944#post6

[0rganism]

10. I think I found an early draft of that declaration you mentioned...

...let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

"He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

"He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

"He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

"He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

"He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness of his invasions on the rights of the people.

"He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

"He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

"He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

"He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

"He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

"He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

"He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

"For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

"For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

"For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

"For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

"For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

"For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

"For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

"For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

"For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

"He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

"He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

"He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

"In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence
Seriously, I can read through that list of indictments and figure out a way each one applies to F47's legacy of tyrannical criminality. I suggest Democrats start here.

[Shrek]

11. What is the case for treason against anyone on the Supreme Court?

Article III, Section 3, Clause 1

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.