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tblue37

(67,816 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:50 AM Friday

Rachel Maddow was at Dick Cheney's funeral. Politics makes strange bedfellows. I now read Never Trumpers'

Blue sky posts every day: George Conway, Tom Nichols, Charlie Sykes, David Frum, even Bill Kristol. They are fiercer about going after Trump than almost anyone. Many of them have left the GOP, some have not, but they do slam Trump & his sycophants hard, and I get a lot of good anti trump info from them.

If anybody needed more evidence of how politics have changed in America: Rachel Maddow is at Dick Cheney's funeral

Peter Baker (@peterbakernyt.bsky.social) 2025-11-20T15:28:51.194Z


Rachel Maddow did one
-on-ones with Liz Cheney. And, as a human being, developed a personal relationship. That’s evidence of her simple humanity. Politics has not changed in any direction that her presence at the funeral would indicate. Dope.

David Sansespoir (@dmgerstein.bsky.social) 2025-11-20T16:11:27.713Z
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Rachel Maddow was at Dick Cheney's funeral. Politics makes strange bedfellows. I now read Never Trumpers' (Original Post) tblue37 Friday OP
Conversely, it's old ruling class establishment vs new. BlueTsunami2018 Friday #1
Lindsey Graham is pure evil. milestogo Friday #5
Kamala Harris is """the old ruling class establishment?""" W_HAMILTON Friday #9
What you said about ALL of that. Cha Saturday #11
Thank you. betsuni Saturday #14
Yes, Lindsay Graham is a piece of work, but imho you make an overly broad statement re Kamala... electric_blue68 Saturday #10
Mahalo, electric_blues.... Never a good time Cha Saturday #12
You have to know Washington to understand this DFW Saturday #15
I've written it before on here BeerBarrelPolka Friday #2
Pro wrestling? True Dough Friday #4
Those DUers criticizing her being there at all should reread the comment from David Sansepoir above.. hlthe2b Friday #3
+1. If we can't get back to that, we are doomed. Silent Type Friday #6
Maybe we can get back to that Just_Vote_Dem Friday #8
I think she helped Liz Cheney as the GOP trampled on her. travelingthrulife Friday #7
She was sitting next to Dr. Fauci shanti Saturday #13

BlueTsunami2018

(4,781 posts)
1. Conversely, it's old ruling class establishment vs new.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 06:00 AM
Friday

Seeing Kamala Harris yucking it up with Lindsey Graham just gives more credence to George Carlin’s “Big Club” bit.

There’s no wonder people are fed up with this whole system.

W_HAMILTON

(9,946 posts)
9. Kamala Harris is """the old ruling class establishment?"""
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:03 PM
Friday


So silly.

PS - There is footage where AOC is talking and laughing with the Republican congressman that posted a video depicting her assassination.

PPS - Mamdani is apparently meeting with Trump today.

PPPS - Stop it with the unnecessary division already.

Cha

(316,059 posts)
11. What you said about ALL of that.
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 01:38 AM
Saturday

So "Unnecessary".

Oh and Mamdani did meet with Traitor in the O office with a handshake. Those who are slamming Kamala have a comment?

Most of us knew.. he was there to get a good deal for NYC.. if possible.

Kamala

electric_blue68

(25,164 posts)
10. Yes, Lindsay Graham is a piece of work, but imho you make an overly broad statement re Kamala...
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 01:18 AM
Saturday

She may have been "yucking it up" w him, but you don't how that convo started, and what she was thinking internally. Could she be thinking- I'm laughing right now, but wow i sure would put a stop to to some crap he'd try to pull. Or making a show of laughing w him for some reason, while retaining distain for him.
You/we just don't know.

DFW

(59,478 posts)
15. You have to know Washington to understand this
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 05:57 AM
Saturday

DC is known as the "biggest small town in America." There is a reason for that. The US Senate is also known as "the most exclusive club in America." Only a maximum of 100 members at any one time. They are in close proximity for their tenure in office. It is inevitable that they know each other and run into each other all the time. Just ask Al Franken about trying to meet up with Oklahoma's Tom Coburn when he first got to the Senate. It wasn't due to any political affinity, but was specifically to try to get to know a Senator with whom he had nothing in common at all.

Kamala Harris would have known Graham for many years for no other reason that they were both US Senators. They ALL know each other. When they were alive, Ruth Bader Ginsburg used to hang with Nino Scalia after hours at his house--a LOT. You wouldn't think they were so cordial if all you read was their written SCOTUS opinions, in which they excoriated each other. But in private life, they were good friends. Welcome to Washington. Even as a kid, I used to accompany my dad to the Senate Press Gallery in the Capitol. Guys with names like Javits, Symington, Dirksen, Humphrey--they were all hanging around together with the press, joking around as well as talking shop. You can't escape the proximity, and there is often a huge difference between what you see on the news, and what happens when the cameras and mics are off.

DC is rarely "what you see is what you get." It's more like, "never believe everything you see," because you never see everything.

If you never spent any time there, especially while growing up, it's hard to imagine. But I did grow up there, and that's really the case. It doesn't mean that Harris harbors any secret affinity for Graham's politics. I'm sure she doesn't. I'm sure that Graham's politics are no less odious to Harris either. But the personal relationships DO sometimes transcend the professional ones. Politically, Richard Viguerie and I should have slashed each other's throats long ago. But he is, unimaginable as it may seem (and would have been to me, too, before I met him), a friend--even though he is a friend who I consider fanatic and delusional, which is how he sees me as well. He still give he a big bear hug when our paths cross. So far, if I received any machete wounds in the back, they have been insignificant enough that I never felt them.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,173 posts)
2. I've written it before on here
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 06:03 AM
Friday

As a former bodyguard to some prominent politicians, it's all pro wrestling.

hlthe2b

(112,308 posts)
3. Those DUers criticizing her being there at all should reread the comment from David Sansepoir above..
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 06:15 AM
Friday

I have attended the funeral of persons I didn't know--friends whose father died in prison. Do you want to excoriate me, too? I was there to support my friend, just as Rachel was there to support Liz, as one she could respect, given her work on Jan 6 and strong opposition to Trump. Funerals are far more for the living than the dead.

A big reason I am a liberal/progressive/democrat is that we are not like MAGA (at least not typically), painting everyone adjacent to the horrendous people in our world as similarly and equally culpable unless their behavior warrants. And, we have empathy--or at least most of us. Grow up (to those posting some horrific things in this regard on other threads).

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