Nursing, Accountants, PAs and others no longer considered professional by Trump administration

[Peacetrain]

which means they will not be eligible for school loans..

https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-degrees-professional-trump-administration-11085695

God give strength

[Walleye]

1. Well, reality show host isn't exactly a profession

[TheBlackAdder]

18. Of course Architects aren't professionals, as noted by his shit buildings.

[Maru Kitteh]

23. That's because architect equals man. Nurses have girl germs.

[haele]

33. Architect is going away - AI will take over that profession.

Just like Graphic Design.
Engineering will remain for a while.
But they're pulling Professional status from jobs that will soon be replaced by AI, or are typically done by women or non-White or White-passing Males.

[Irish_Dem]

51. This is my read of it. Robots/AI will be doing nursing jobs which are primarily female anyway.

Women don't need school loans they should be at home popping out babies every year.

[Walleye]

36. It also goes for tailors

[LymphocyteLover]

53. just the ones he hires though

[dalton99a]

2. Kick

[Freddie]

4. Notice many of these professions are majority female

More misogyny from the right. It never ends.

[MLWR]

25. And every single one of the members of those PROFESSIONS

is more knowledgeable and more worthwhile than the "fucking moron" sitting in judgment here.

[hlthe2b]

5. I can hear the earthquake-like eruption rumbling right now. WOW...

Sometimes it pays to stay in bed under the covers. Gonna be a lotta anger building today...Sorry, "guys..." I certainly don't agree.

[synni]

28. I hope all the women in these medical professions remember this

Especially when it's time for this bastard to end up in the hospital for end of life care.

[Silent Type]

3. Another backtrack coming.

[WestMichRad]

19. For the sake of our citizens

… I certainly hope so!

[surfered]

6. Is heir a profession?

[NCDem47]

7. To Trump...

…anyone not named POTUS is a worker and hardly a professional. Only HE stands at the top of that hill. We’re just serfs and slaves.

[underpants]

8. Crazy.

That said, the occupations not deemed professional among the health care space include nursing, physician assistants, physical therapists and audiologists, according to the education news outlet Inside Higher Ed.
Per the outlet, other professions not included are architects, accountants, educators, and social workers—which sector representatives pushed to be included in the list, given that they are high-demand occupations.
It has also been reported that engineering, a business master's, counseling or therapy, and speech pathology will not be considered "professional" either.

[NutmegYankee]

11. How the fuck is engineering not a profession?

Insane.

[underpants]

41. Architect engineer accountant NURSE

Getting my an accounting degree was tough but nothing like the stories I’ve heard about how hard nursing school is.

[dickthegrouch]

9. De-professionalizing those last four, in particular, are intended to cause deaths

Architects?????
Accountants????
Social workers

Nursing is a fine traditional profession, and utterly necessary. I hope rump gets only de-professionalized care!

I'm astonished Attorneys aren't on the list.

[Johnny2X2X]

10. Trump fucked students more than most are aware of

His changes to student loans are just so wrong, he's fixed it so people will be in debt forever. He's made it so more students will never finish school. He's made it so people will pay for years only to see their balances continue to rise. It's a debacle people aren't even awake to yet, but millions of students are going to be living with the consequences for decades.

And many kids just won't be able to go to college, so colleges are going to start to shrink and close too.

There are literally scores of ways he made it harder for students, especially students from working class families.

[Midnight Writer]

12. In unrelated news, I just read that the country has a nursing shortage of about 350,000 nurses.

That shortage will be even more of a crisis as our Baby Boomers are reaching that age where they need more and more medical and nursing care.

We are pricing patients out of the health insurance market as insurance corporations bleed us dry. Even if you can afford insurance, healthcare is often mediocre or unavailable due to cost-cutting, profit-taking, and staff shortages.

I talked to a friend last week who has been diagnosed with cancer. He has waited six weeks for a consultation with an oncologist and still has not got an appointment. My neighbor lives alone and has age-related dementia. Her family is trying to get her in to see a neurologist for an evaluation. They will have to wait five months for a consultation.

Having healthcare run as a for-profit business is insane. To be sure, any healthcare system will have problems. But our current system is DESIGNED to put patients last and profits first.

The less value a patient gets for their money, the more profit the corporations get.

[W_HAMILTON]

21. The accounting profession is also experiencing a shortage.

As of 2024, ~75% of CPAs were Baby Boomers and quickly approaching retirement, and since 2010, the number of accounting graduates have decreased by ~20% -- the accounting profession is getting hit at both ends.

People may worry that AI will replace all accounting jobs, but it won't. Maybe some -- mainly data entry/low-level bookkeeping, but those pursuing master's degrees that are impacted by this change would not be fulfilling those roles anyway -- but the accounting profession will continue to exist for the foreseeable future.

Many states are already relaxing standards to become a CPA now because of the shortage.

[ms liberty]

13. The Orange Monster and his merry band of undead fascists are at it again, I see.

He's prolly been insulted by at least one person from each of these professions in his life and now it's time, he's getting "revenge."

I'm about to eyeroll my eyes right outta my head here. And then I think I'll go barf.

[Ilsa]

15. More people slapped by Metamucillini:

Two cardiovascular nurses at Walter Reed Bethesda


Surgical ICU nurse prepares for an invasive procedure.

I hope they remember his selfishness when he inevitably needs care.

[Aristus]

16. They'll give him good care, regardless. That is the very soul of being a professional.

Something Trump will never understand, even if you gave him the book and the test answers beforehand.

[Ilsa]

44. Absolutely, they will.

The Slobfather is too self-centered to realize the harm he is causing working families, or the selfless commitment to others that many people feel when they take on responsibility for helping others.

[purr-rat beauty]

17. Moving forward

He, his admin, and congress critters can get medical care from their plastic surgeons

[IronLionZion]

20. "Real" professions are podcaster, influencer, hedge fund manager, MAGA talking head, etc.

[Seinan Sensei]

26. and Nepo Baby

[WestMichRad]

22. Why don't they just eliminate all federal student loan programs?

Except to billionaires, of course!


That is what appears to be the objective here, IMHO.

[underpants]

42. Cast them out into higher interest loans.

Student loans are bad enough with the interest being compounded daily

[SunSeeker]

24. PAs literally run urgent care clinics these days, especially in rural areas with doctor shortages.

I was traveling through the middle of nowhere in Wyoming when I got very sick. My Google search showed there was no hospital for over 100 hundreds of miles, just a sole Urgent Care Clinic in the small town off Highway 80 I was passing through, so I stopped there.

The only trained medical person there was a PA, but she was amazing. Wrote me a Rx for antibiotics and I was on my way. Thank God she was there.

Discouraging PA study by dropping them from the list of professionals is pure insanity.

[global1]

27. Who The Hell Does He Think He Is?.....nt

[twodogsbarking]

29. It makes sense. These professions require you to have ethics.

[Wiz Imp]

30. From the article - this makes no sense

Kevin Kinser, professor of education policy studies at Pennsylvania State University, told Newsweek: "I don’t think the point is to discern professional degrees from other degrees in terms of loan eligibility. It is to limit the exposure of the government to loans that will not be repaid, whether because of default or through public service loan forgiveness policies. So the list includes professions that generally result in high salaries, and neglect professions that have lower earnings or less prominence. The exception here is theology, which may reflect more political calculations than anything else. There is also less of a sense of using loans to encourage people to enroll in other programs from a workforce development perspective. We need nurses and teachers for example, yet loans would be unavailable to support people entering these professions."

Nurses and Accountants generally earn good salaries. They should be a low risk for potential failure to repay their loans. Kevin Kinser sounds like an idiot. Not a good look for Penn State that he is Head of the Department of Education Policy Studies at Penn State.

[haele]

38. Operative words loss through "Public Service Loan Forgiveness"...

How dare those slackers try to repay their Student Loan debt through Service in kind...
They're not "paying" their debt. They're getting paid to not pay their debt.

Just like those "loser, no-talent Military guys"getting paid Megabucks to do nothing.
They need to buy their expensive training up front or just work a real job when they're not in Combat instead "drilling", sitting around in uniform drinking coffee, doing the easy jobs civilian Corporations could be doing instead like medical, supply, transportation , "logistics" and "engineering" and "talking" strategy or whatever.
This Administration 's military doctrine - Just shut up, look scary, and pull the trigger when we tell you to, you stupid loser.

[twodogsbarking]

31. Those are all of the courses he took in college and flunked

[twodogsbarking]

32. First they came for the nurses, then the accountants.

Figures, I was an accountant for 40+ years.

[The Roux Comes First]

34. Do We Actually Give a Rip What This POS Thinks About Anything? If Not for the Shocking

Revelation that we are immersed in a sea of brain-dead ignoramuses, he'd be out pounding the pavement, begging for another "job" like that absurd boob-tube spot his parents found to get him off the street.

[hadEnuf]

35. I hope the Republicans enjoy their non-professional nurses, accountants and Physician's Assistants.

Getting medical exams, treatments, follow-ups while getting screwed out of all your savings by hacks and morons should be a lot of fun.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

37. The CPA exam was actually harder that the Bar exam for me

Link to tweet

[underpants]

43. The passing % for the bar is MUCH higher than for CPA's

I sat for the CPA test once mainly just to get grandfathered from new requirements

[LetMyPeopleVote]

48. I have taken and passed both exams

It was strange being around people who were taking the CPA exam for the 20th time. Accounting is now a five-year course if you want to sit for the CPA exam. Accounting is a profession in my opinion.

[Borogove]

39. In an ironic twist, nurses, accountants, and PAs no longer consider the Trump administration to be professional.

[Mr.WeRP]

40. These professions all are dominated by women

This is the reason the Trump Admin did this.

[fujiyamasan]

45. This seems like a nice giveaway to tech companies

“It has also been reported that engineering, a business master's, counseling or therapy, and speech pathology will not be considered "professional" either.”

They can continue to claim we don’t produce enough engineers in this country so they can undercut the wages. So, not only will they not train Americans for what they want, they won’t even give loans to study the subjects that are supposedly hard to find talent for.

[IronLionZion]

46. Nursing/healthcare has plenty of women, minorities, and immigrants that MAGA hates

interesting that they chose to screw architects and accountants too.

[underpants]

50. Thank you. "Women's jobs" that was my daughter's observation

My wife told me about the story (I was aware of it from DU) and I read off the ridiculous list of jobs.

It hadn’t downed on me and until I saw your post i hadn’t seen anyone bring that up here. Many of these are probably seen by the Clustertrump as “women’s jobs”. I think it’s also because these are degrees that could go into public service and be eligible for PSLF loan forgiveness (like I did). This is a backdoor move to not have to get rid of PSLF. It also casts them out into loans from banks which go on your credit report AND may need their parents to co-sign for.

[tavernier]

47. I think some of the nurses at the hospital, taking care of him during his recent stays

turned down his advances, and this is a payback. Everything he does is a revenge trip.

[Iris]

49. They are still eligible for loans just not as much annually

When I got a masters 18 years ago, the max I could borrow was 32,000/year. This will cut that to 20,500/year

[Jilly_in_VA]

52. Tell every nurse you know

Every doctor, too. This ought to piss them off greatly. Tell them to call their senators and congresscritters and complain. LOUDLY. If you know people in the other professions, tell them too. If the senators and congresscritters hear from YOU, and hear plenty, I have a feeling this is going to change pretty quickly.

[LymphocyteLover]

54. Also "educators"!!! Millions of teachers now? WTAF!!!